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[pct-l] RE: Mt Whitney Questions
- Subject: [pct-l] RE: Mt Whitney Questions
- From: jcoyle at sanjuan.edu (John Coyle)
- Date: Wed Jan 21 13:53:36 2004
Since Mt Whitney is so close to Sequoia National park, does the National
Park Service have anything to do with administering it, or is that handled
entirely by the Forest Service?
I notice from this list and other places that people mention camping on the
Mt Whitney summit. Is that legal, and if so, is it advisable due to the
possibility of lightning strikes? It seems to me, from the photos I have
seen, that a person would have to sleep mostly on slabs of hard rock in any
case.
My brother in law hiked to the Whitney summit last year and he mentioned
seeing a number of people obviously affected by altitude sickness. I have
recently hiked to the summits of Lassen Peak and Mt Tallac near Lake Tahoe
with no evidence of altitude sickness. What is the likeliness of me getting
sick on a peak that is so much higher like Mt. Whitney?
"Everything not prohibited is mandatory"
John Coyle
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Class of 2004 Gear (scott deputy)
2. Keen Sandals (John Vonhof)
3. Re: permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon (Ken Powers)
4. RE: Sierra East Side Shuttle Service? (David Dalbey)
5. Re: permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon (Bighummel@aol.com)
6. RE: permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon (Jerry Goller)
7. Re: permit paperwork around Lake Tahoe (ECPG)
8. Re: permit paperwork around Lake Tahoe (goslowgofar)
9. permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon (yogi yogi)
10. Re: hostels along the trail (Marshall Karon)
11. Sierra East Side Shuttle Service? (yogi yogi)
12. South-bound questions (adrian.borner@ch.abb.com)
13. Re: South-bound questions (Ilja Friedel)
14. Re: hostels along the trail (scott deputy)
15. Re: South-bound questions (Christopher Willett)
16. Re: South-bound questions (CMountainDave@aol.com)
17. Re: South-bound questions (Slyatpct@aol.com)
18. Re: South-bound questions (Bob Bankhead)
19. RE: South-bound questions (Marge Prothman)
20. Re: South-bound questions (Bob Bankhead)
21. Re: South-bound questions (Slyatpct@aol.com)
22. Re: South-bound questions (CMountainDave@aol.com)
23. Re: Sierra East Side Shuttle Service? (Joanne Lennox)
24. Re: stove (ROYROBIN@aol.com)
25. Re: Class of 2004 Gear (ROYROBIN@aol.com)
26. Re: South-bound questions (Joanne Lennox)
27. Re: South-bound questions (Joanne Lennox)
28. Re: South-bound questions (Slyatpct@aol.com)
29. Major Wanderlust happening here! (Joanne Lennox)
30. Re: Major Wanderlust happening here! (Jeffrey J. Olson)
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Another option is reflective twist ties, they used to be available at
hunting oriented outdoor shops but I haven't looked for any lately.
They are the same twist ties that come with trash bags but have a reflective
coating that shines like triptease in a headlamp, they are easy to attach
to ten stakes or guylines.
Just put a small piece of reflective tape around/on your gear. Then put
some
clear packing tape on top of the reflective tape to make it more durable
(reduce cracking, etc.). Go to the Walmart auto section to buy the red
reflective
tape. It also come in white reflective tape, but I like the red better.
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Hello all,
Recently, on a drive up I-395, I saw a sign for a shuttle service on the =
East Side of the Sierra, but now I can't quite recall the name, nor can =
I find it on the internet...
Does anyone happen to know how to contact this shuttle service?
Thank you!
J. Bradley
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I can't afford to stay in motels unless I split the cost with other hikers.
I'm looking for a list of Hostels or very hiker friendly (cheap) motels that
I can stay at without having to shack up.
from lurking and reading I have picked up the following, I'm sure there are
more.
Agua Dulce - Hiker Heaven
Pink Motel
Truckee - Pooh's Corner
Belden - Hostel
Etna - Hostel (I think there was a post that said this was out of business)
Ashland - Youth Hostel
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Subject: [pct-l] permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon
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Greetings from a longtime list lurker and section hiker.
This season I'm doing Peavine Creek ("infamous" section O which was in
great shape when I stopped there last year) north to Willamette Pass. That's
477 miles, just under the line when it comes to getting a blanket permit
from PCTA.
Over the last week, I've been calling various National Forest offices trying
to ascertain whether I need any wilderness permits at all. After being
shuttled from ranger district office to ranger district office (the PCT of
course, skirts the edge of many different jurisdictions) I've come to the
conclusion that the answer is NO.
Although Shasta-Trinity and Klamath NF offices seemed to be the most
confused (with contradictory information about areas such as Castle Crags
Wilderness and Trinity Alps wilderness being dispensed on their Web sites
and by their occasionally clueless headquarters administrative staff) I
explained as clearly as I could that I would be passing *through* both of
those without stopping to camp in either. That seemed to clear that up. They
seemed much firmer in declaring I wouldn't need permits to camp in either
the Russian or Marble wilderness.
The situation got clearer past the Oregon border. No ranger district office
I called on the Winema, Willamette or Deschutes NFs needed any permit
paperwork at all for Sky Lakes, Diamond Lake/Mt. Thiesen wilderness, etc.
Does my information square with the experience of those who have done this
section recently? I can't see any mention in any journal of permit hassles
through here. (Yogi? The Hiker formerly known as Cupcake? Your thoughts?)
It's just as a Bay Area person whose early experiences were shaped by many
summers in Yosemite and Inyo NF, I'm just programmed to figure I have to
fill out six forms in triplicate every time I grab my trowel and ...
Thank you.
David Plotnikoff
San Jose Mercury News
(408) 920-5867
dplotnikoff@mercurynews.com
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:20:42 -0800
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Subject: [pct-l] Keen Sandals
To: "Jim Keener" <jkeener@pct04.com>, <pct-l@backcountry.net>
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Jim asked:
>> Anyone have experience with these?
A friend who was on the testing staff at Teva is going to start to help them
with development and marketing. Their website is pretty bare so far.
http://www.keenfootwear.com. I will be following them and do a review in one
of the upcoming issues of my ezine.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:27:27 -0800
From: "Ken Powers" <kdpo@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon
To: "Plotnikoff, David" <DPlotnikoff@mercurynews.com>,
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Sounds to me like you should hike that last 23 miles (maybe 12 out and 12
back) and get your permit from the PCTA. :) Or at least tell thaem that your
are.
Ken
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Subject: [pct-l] permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon
> Greetings from a longtime list lurker and section hiker.
>
> This season I'm doing Peavine Creek ("infamous" section O which was in
> great shape when I stopped there last year) north to Willamette Pass.
That's
> 477 miles, just under the line when it comes to getting a blanket permit
> from PCTA.
>
> Over the last week, I've been calling various National Forest offices
trying
> to ascertain whether I need any wilderness permits at all. After being
> shuttled from ranger district office to ranger district office (the PCT of
> course, skirts the edge of many different jurisdictions) I've come to the
> conclusion that the answer is NO.
>
> Although Shasta-Trinity and Klamath NF offices seemed to be the most
> confused (with contradictory information about areas such as Castle Crags
> Wilderness and Trinity Alps wilderness being dispensed on their Web sites
> and by their occasionally clueless headquarters administrative staff) I
> explained as clearly as I could that I would be passing *through* both of
> those without stopping to camp in either. That seemed to clear that up.
They
> seemed much firmer in declaring I wouldn't need permits to camp in either
> the Russian or Marble wilderness.
>
> The situation got clearer past the Oregon border. No ranger district
office
> I called on the Winema, Willamette or Deschutes NFs needed any permit
> paperwork at all for Sky Lakes, Diamond Lake/Mt. Thiesen wilderness, etc.
>
> Does my information square with the experience of those who have done this
> section recently? I can't see any mention in any journal of permit hassles
> through here. (Yogi? The Hiker formerly known as Cupcake? Your thoughts?)
> It's just as a Bay Area person whose early experiences were shaped by many
> summers in Yosemite and Inyo NF, I'm just programmed to figure I have to
> fill out six forms in triplicate every time I grab my trowel and ...
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> David Plotnikoff
> San Jose Mercury News
> (408) 920-5867
> dplotnikoff@mercurynews.com
>
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Message: 4
Date: 19 Jan 2004 17:41:58 -0800
From: "David Dalbey" <david@dalbey.org>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Sierra East Side Shuttle Service?
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http://www.countyofinyo.org/transit/transit.htm
:
:
:Hello all,
:
:Recently, on a drive up I-395, I saw a sign for a shuttle
:service on the East Side of the Sierra, but now I can't quite
:recall the name, nor can I find it on the internet...
:
:Does anyone happen to know how to contact this shuttle service?
:
::
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:32:47 EST
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon
To: DPlotnikoff@mercurynews.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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THIS IS THE PERMIT POLICE! COME OUT OF THE FOREST WITH YOUR HANDS UP AND
LAY
YOUR ICE AXE DOWN SSSLLLOOOWWWLLLYYY!
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:56:50 -0700
From: "Jerry Goller" <jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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I've found the best plan for dealing with the government is to lie. Tell
them what ever they want to hear then do what you planned on doing
anyway. It makes both them and you happy..... =o)
Jerry
http://www.BackpackGearTest.org : the most comprehensive interactive
gear reviews and tests on the planet.
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Subject: [pct-l] permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon
Greetings from a longtime list lurker and section hiker.
This season I'm doing Peavine Creek ("infamous" section O which was in
great shape when I stopped there last year) north to Willamette Pass.
That's 477 miles, just under the line when it comes to getting a blanket
permit from PCTA.
Over the last week, I've been calling various National Forest offices
trying to ascertain whether I need any wilderness permits at all. After
being shuttled from ranger district office to ranger district office
(the PCT of course, skirts the edge of many different jurisdictions)
I've come to the conclusion that the answer is NO.
Although Shasta-Trinity and Klamath NF offices seemed to be the most
confused (with contradictory information about areas such as Castle
Crags Wilderness and Trinity Alps wilderness being dispensed on their
Web sites and by their occasionally clueless headquarters administrative
staff) I explained as clearly as I could that I would be passing
*through* both of those without stopping to camp in either. That seemed
to clear that up. They seemed much firmer in declaring I wouldn't need
permits to camp in either the Russian or Marble wilderness.
The situation got clearer past the Oregon border. No ranger district
office I called on the Winema, Willamette or Deschutes NFs needed any
permit paperwork at all for Sky Lakes, Diamond Lake/Mt. Thiesen
wilderness, etc.
Does my information square with the experience of those who have done
this section recently? I can't see any mention in any journal of permit
hassles through here. (Yogi? The Hiker formerly known as Cupcake? Your
thoughts?) It's just as a Bay Area person whose early experiences were
shaped by many summers in Yosemite and Inyo NF, I'm just programmed to
figure I have to fill out six forms in triplicate every time I grab my
trowel and ...
Thank you.
David Plotnikoff
San Jose Mercury News
(408) 920-5867
dplotnikoff@mercurynews.com
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:46:57 -0800
From: "ECPG" <ECPG@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] permit paperwork around Lake Tahoe
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While we're talking about permits, does the thru hiker permit work for the
whole PCT section that is part of the Tahoe Rim Trail? Is a separate permit
required for Desolation Wilderness especially if we are going to camp there,
or will the thru hiker permit get us through that area?
Are we going to need any other permits that are not self issuing on the TRT?
We will not have a car or back up and hitching with goats is a problem. One
of us has to stay while the other goes anyplace.
Carolyn Eddy
Goattracks Magazine
www.goattracksmagazine.com
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:01:20 -0800 (PST)
From: goslowgofar <goslowgofar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] permit paperwork around Lake Tahoe
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Carolyn,
Here is a link to the TRT website's thru-hiker page. There is information
regarding permits.
Katy
http://tahoerimtrail.org/thru_hike.htm
ECPG <ECPG@peoplepc.com> wrote:While we're talking about permits, does the
thru hiker permit work for the
whole PCT section that is part of the Tahoe Rim Trail? Is a separate permit
required for Desolation Wilderness especially if we are going to camp there,
or will the thru hiker permit get us through that area?
Are we going to need any other permits that are not self issuing on the TRT?
We will not have a car or back up and hitching with goats is a problem. One
of us has to stay while the other goes anyplace.
Carolyn Eddy
Goattracks Magazine
www.goattracksmagazine.com
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Subject: Re: [pct-l] permit paperwork around Lake Tahoe
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:05:00 -0800
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Yes, a PCTA permit works everywhere along the PCT. It will not work for the
remainder of the Tahoe Rim Trail, only for the 45 miles where they are one
in the same.
Wandering Bob
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> While we're talking about permits, does the thru hiker permit work for the
> whole PCT section that is part of the Tahoe Rim Trail? Is a separate
permit
> required for Desolation Wilderness especially if we are going to camp
there,
> or will the thru hiker permit get us through that area?
> Are we going to need any other permits that are not self issuing on the
TRT?
> We will not have a car or back up and hitching with goats is a problem.
One
> of us has to stay while the other goes anyplace.
>
> Carolyn Eddy
> Goattracks Magazine
> www.goattracksmagazine.com
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:24:38 -0600
From: "yogi yogi" <yogilists@hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] permit paperwork in No. Cal. and Oregon
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If I read this correctly, your 447 miles are all on the PCT?? Why not
"plan" a 500-mile trip. Apply for your PCT thru-hiker permit. When you're
on the trail, "something" will happen which will prevent you from completing
the last 53 miles of your"planned" hike. So you go home after walking 447
miles.
hee hee hee.
Each year, multiple potential thru-hikers start the trail with their
500+mile thru-hiker permit. They quit at Lake Morena, or Big Bear City, or
Wrightwood. They go home after not hiking at least 500 miles. Yet they
were covered by the permit.
Don't get me wrong, you're doing the right thing. It just seems like a lot
of work when the "Visitor's Permit" provided by the PCTA would cover you
just fine.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:29:17 -0800
From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hostels along the trail
To: "scott deputy" <oz4130@yahoo.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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There is also one at Snoqualmie in Washington. Also Trail Angels at Donner
Summit (Pooh Corner). You might be able to stay at Big Lake Youth Camp just
past Mt. Washington in Oregon. There also are group camping spots like Big
Bear, Sied Valley, Kennedy Meadows, Tuolumne Meadows.
However, part of the fun is going in with a group and renting a cabin or
room in Oregon (Elk Lake, Ollallie Lake, etc.) or Washington (White Pass
comes to mind) or other places. Be open to what comes.
Marshall Karon
Portland, OR
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> I can't afford to stay in motels unless I split the cost with other
hikers. I'm looking for a list of Hostels or very hiker friendly (cheap)
motels that I can stay at without having to shack up.
>
> from lurking and reading I have picked up the following, I'm sure there
are more.
>
> Agua Dulce - Hiker Heaven
>
> Pink Motel
>
> Truckee - Pooh's Corner
>
> Belden - Hostel
>
> Etna - Hostel (I think there was a post that said this was out of
business)
>
> Ashland - Youth Hostel
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:30:39 -0600
From: "yogi yogi" <yogilists@hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Sierra East Side Shuttle Service?
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:15:17 +0100
From: adrian.borner@ch.abb.com
Subject: [pct-l] South-bound questions
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Slowly I start with my planning for this years section hike from the
Canadian border to Oregon. I was thinking of flying into Seattle early
August where I would prepare and send off my mail-drops. One possibility
then would be to take Greyhound and travel to Manning Park via Vancouver.
Since with my Swiss passport I am a bit worried about the border sitation,
i.e. re-entering the US via the Green Border, I wonder if there is a
possibility accessing the northern terminus of the PCT from the South, i.e.
without leaving the States?
The other questions is how many miles per day can I expect to make during
this August-September hike, taking into account the shorter days. I am in
reasonable good shape and averaged 20 miles on the AT (including days off)?
Thanks
Adrian alias Matterhorn AT01
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:56:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilja Friedel <ilja@cs.caltech.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] South-bound questions
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Hi Adrian,
> Since with my Swiss passport I am a bit worried about the border sitation,
> i.e. re-entering the US via the Green Border
I would seriously advice against entering the US via the "green border".
The current poltical situation does not allow it. Your chances of being
detected crossing it might be small. But
a) US immigration is getting pretty good at tracking (legal) visitors
using global data-bases. They might notice that you've left to
Canada, did not enter officially and want to leave again
b) In case that you are caught punishment is fairly severe. You might
want to fight extradiction, which can be decided by fairly low
ranking immigration officers. Legal expenses can be high and future
entries impossible. (This happened to a colleage of mine.)
I don't think the trade-off between risk and benefit is worth it right
now.
Ilja.
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:12:15 -0800 (PST)
From: scott deputy <oz4130@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hostels along the trail
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I agree, I'm looking foreward to meeting lots of people and sharring rooms.
I was just looking for options of places that I could afford to crash by my
self IF needed. Thanks for the suggestions.
scott
Marshall Karon <m.karon@comcast.net> wrote:
However, part of the fun is going in with a group and renting a cabin or
room in Oregon (Elk Lake, Ollallie Lake, etc.) or Washington (White Pass
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If you don't want to enter the US illegally, you could always tag the border
from Harts Pass which is accessible by road and retrace your steps. The
last
32 miles of official trail are pretty awesome and well worth doing both
ways.
Sly
In a message dated 1/20/2004 4:20:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
adrian.borner@ch.abb.com writes:
> Since with my Swiss passport I am a bit worried about the border sitation,
> i.e. re-entering the US via the Green Border, I wonder if there is a
> possibility accessing the northern terminus of the PCT from the South,
i.e.
> without leaving the States?
> The other questions is how many miles per day can I expect to make during
> this August-September hike, taking into account the shorter days. I am in
> reasonable good shape and averaged 20 miles on the AT (including days
off)?
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:21:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Willett <chwillet@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] South-bound questions
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I would definitely not skip the last part of the trail. From Harts Pass to
the border are, I think, some of the best miles in Washington, the Goat
Rocks and Fire Creek pass notwithstanding.
Suge
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 Slyatpct@aol.com wrote:
>
> If you don't want to enter the US illegally, you could always tag the
border
> from Harts Pass which is accessible by road and retrace your steps. The
last
> 32 miles of official trail are pretty awesome and well worth doing both
ways.
>
> Sly
>
> In a message dated 1/20/2004 4:20:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> adrian.borner@ch.abb.com writes:
>
> > Since with my Swiss passport I am a bit worried about the border
sitation,
> > i.e. re-entering the US via the Green Border, I wonder if there is a
> > possibility accessing the northern terminus of the PCT from the South,
i.e.
> > without leaving the States?
> > The other questions is how many miles per day can I expect to make
during
> > this August-September hike, taking into account the shorter days. I am
in
> > reasonable good shape and averaged 20 miles on the AT (including days
off)?
>
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:33:34 EST
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
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If you are worried about the border, I would start at Hart's pass. I believe
there is bus service to the town of Winthrop, a medium sized town where
supplies should be available. Or mail a package to the tiny town of Mazama.
You
would need to get a ride to Mazama, about 20 miles from Winthrop. From
Mazama you
would need a ride to Hart's Pass, about another 20 miles away. If you have
the
money you could make reservations at a major lodge in Methow Valley and
request transportation from Winthrop to Hart's Pass to avoid the hitches.
http://www.methownet.com. Harts Pass to the Canadian Border is about 20
miles. You
could probably get the ranger at Harts pass to keep a cache of food to pick
up on
your way back from Canada. Another option is to just start south from Harts
Pass
By August you should know the situation of the reroute through Glacier
Peak wilderness. If long detours and road walks are required you might
consider
starting at Steven's Pass. Not sure about transportation to Steven's Pass
from
Seattle
Went skiing over the weekend. There's been very little new snow the last
few
weeks and so the snowpack is now at normal levels or even slightly below
average at most places in Wa. David C
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:52:11 EST
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
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In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:35:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
CMountainDave@aol.com writes:
> Harts Pass to the Canadian Border is about 20 miles.
>
>
Maybe as the crow flies or they shortened the trail in the last few years,
but according to the '95 guide, it's 31.4 miles from Harts Pass to the
border.
Sly
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:06:13 -0800
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] South-bound questions
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Actually, there is no public transportation into Winthrop. The closest
Greyhound is in Okanogan, quite a ways east along highway 20. The airport is
private - small planes only. No train. There is a new, local shuttle taxi
http://www.methownet.com/mountaintransporter.html but you're still 165 miles
from Seattle. I got caught there when a freak, record-setting storm forced
even the local hunters down out of the wilderness in '97. My dear wife had
to drive 7 hours from Portland, OR to rescue me.
Wandering Bob
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> If you are worried about the border, I would start at Hart's pass. I
believe
> there is bus service to the town of Winthrop.
>
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:28:04 -0700
From: "Marge Prothman" <marge@prothman.org>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] South-bound questions
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South bound hiker:
I Agree with Sly if you can get a hitch or transportation to Harts Pass.
Then Hike ONLY to the monument, once past this you have crossed the border
into Canada.
This would be 31.4 miles... it is another 7.2 miles into Manning Park.
Then start your hike South from the monument. As others have said this is
marvelous country and you are only adding an additional 31.4 miles to your
trip and maybe for you it would only be a long days hike. I think your
first resupply would then be at Stehiken (without hitching to the next small
town). Do not think there was much damage on that part of the trail, but I
could be wrong.
Hope it all works out.
Cheers,
Marge [The Old Gal]
http://www.prothman.org/marge
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:19:06 -0800
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] South-bound questions
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Marge is absolutely correct. However, allow me to offer one small
modification.
Dig in a cache at Hart's Pass containing your supplies for the south-bound
trip to Stehekin, then go north to the border and back. The Harts Pass
ranger station probably won't be manned when you pass through so why risk
not being able to drop off or recover your supplies? Incidentally, that is a
tough 31 miles to the border and another 31 back to Harts Pass.
You can always do Manning Park to the border and back to Manning before you
start at Harts Pass. That way, you cross the border legally both times. This
is the wrong climate in which to "test" the immigration and border patrol
agencies on either side of the border. You could get shot with all the
pressure and paranoia of the moment. Scruffy, dirty hikers fit the profile
of radical terrorists.
Wandering Bob
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South bound hiker:
I Agree with Sly if you can get a hitch or transportation to Harts Pass.
Then Hike ONLY to the monument, once past this you have crossed the border
into Canada.
This would be 31.4 miles... it is another 7.2 miles into Manning Park.
Then start your hike South from the monument. As others have said this is
marvelous country and you are only adding an additional 31.4 miles to your
trip and maybe for you it would only be a long days hike. I think your
first resupply would then be at Stehiken (without hitching to the next small
town). Do not think there was much damage on that part of the trail, but I
could be wrong.
Hope it all works out.
Cheers,
Marge [The Old Gal]
http://www.prothman.org/marge
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:34:12 EST
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
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In a message dated 1/20/2004 1:19:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wandering_bob@comcast.net writes:
> Incidentally, that is a
> tough 31 miles to the border and another 31 back to Harts Pass.
>
With it snowing, we thought it best to hike past Lakeview Ridge instead of
getting stuck and camped at Hopkins Lake some 25... miles starting from
Harts
Pass, so it is doable roundtrip, in two or three days for a strong hiker. I
might add, although I had a few, I didn't average 20 mpd on the AT, nor
would I
attempt to.
>
> You can always do Manning Park to the border and back to Manning before
you
> start at Harts Pass.
>
>
To each their own, but why bother with the logistics, since the last few
miles to Manning Park aren't official PCT and imo, aren't noteworthy.
YMMV,
Sly
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:17:27 EST
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] South-bound questions
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OOPs sorry about the misinformation. I was just guessing on the mileage. I
thought there was transportation to Winthrop because when I was in Mazama
someone offered to take me to Winthrop so I could catch a bus instead of
hitching to
Bellingham. Looks like it is pretty hard to get to Winthrop via public
transportation. There is a shuttle service once you get to Methow Valley,
even to
Harts Pass David C
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:30:47 -0800
From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sierra East Side Shuttle Service?
To: "J. Bradley Materick" <jbmaterick@stanfordalumni.org>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Wilder House Shuttle in Independence(skip Wilder), 760-878-2119. they run
a kind of bed and breakfast(?). I called him on the spur of the moment, He
was there in 10 minutes and also allowed me to keep my trailer at the House
and picked me up driving my trailer. He was observent, prompt, reliable,
and interesting. (His Grandfather did the first ascent of Mt. Whitney).
Joanne
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:31:15 EST
From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] stove
To: edmond@mydogmeg.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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In a message dated 1/17/04 8:10:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
edmond@mydogmeg.net writes:
> I recall Brian Robinson posting over a year ago about the efficiency of
cat
>
> stoves versus Pepsi can stoves. It was an interesting explanation going
> into the detail how the fuel and air mixed for efficient heating. If
anyone
> saved copy, please forward it to me, I would enjoy re-reading it.
>
> Tangent
Here's the entire posting:
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Subj: [pct-l] Alcohol Stove Design Theory
Date: 10/23/02 2:48:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: brian_a_robinson@hotmail.com (Brian Robinson) Sender:
pct-l-admin@mailman.backcountry.net To: BackpackingLight@yahoogroups.com CC:
at-l@mailman.backcountry.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Aaron,
I don't know how to say this gently, but in my opinion you've stated as fact
several things about alcohol stove design that are false. Allow me to be
specific.
You said:
>There is no question that a pressurized type of alcohol stove (like the
>photon or brasslite) will achieve boil faster than an open type, because
>the pressure causes the fuel to dump its BTUs faster, therefore heating the
>water more quickly.
Sorry, but this is completely bogus. A bigger hole could more than make up
for any pressure effect, even if higher pressure increased flow rate, which
it often doesn't. Fluid transport is a VERY complicated non-intuitive
science, and compressible fluids, like vaporized alcohol are even more
complicated. It turns out there are two basic types of fluid flow, laminar
and turbulent. Laminar flow is MUCH more efficient at transferring fluid
than turbulent flow is. If you've ever watched a creek flowing across a
smooth granite surface, you've seen both. At first, the water is clear, then
white. The clear water is laminar flow. It moves faster than the turbulent
white water ahead of it, thus it is shallower. The turbulent white water
ahead is deeper because it's moving more slowly. So it turns out that even
for a given hole size, flow rate is highly dependent upon whether the flow
is laminar (fast) or turbulent (slow.) Stoves like yours and soda-can stoves
use small holes because they create MORE turbulence. (I'll tell you why
next.) But the flow rate is REDUCED, not enhanced by this. A large-hole
stove like the Cat Stove uses the one large hole because this is the best
way to achieve laminar flow.
If laminar flow is so great, why does a soda-can stove use small holes? It's
because turbulent flow is very efficient at mixing the vaporized alcohol
with oxygen. Fire requires fuel, oxygen and heat. The turbulent flow of a
soda-can stove ensures that all the alcohol burns very close to the holes,
i.e. under the pot.
Fire under the pot is where we want it right? Well, sort of. We want the
fire as close to the bottom of the pot as possible. With a soda-can stove,
the fire's down low, so it's best to set the pot low, near the burner.
Hoever, this tends to block oxygen flow, and the turbulent nature of the
design doesn't help oxygen flow in from the surrounding area. These stoves
have a pretty blue flame when they're uncovered, but it's often not as
pretty under a pot and windscreen.
The Cat Stove works much differently. It uses laminar flow, so the vaporized
fuel easily and quickly flows from the stove up toward the pot. This creates
a chimney effect which draws large amounts of oxygen in the intake holes.
The problem with laminar flow is that it's not very efficient at mixing the
fuel with oxygen. There's large amounts of both flowing up toward the pot,
but until they mix well, there's not much fire. Fortunately, the pot itself
interrupts the flow, creating some turbulence. This means that much of the
fire is automatically created right where we want it, on the bottom of the
pot. This can be seen when the Cat Stove is in use. If there's no pot, an
inefficient cold yellow flame shoots about a foot above the stove, but when
the pot is in place, the flame turns blue (hotter and more efficient) and
stays under the pot.
So which is better? It's not at all clear from the theory. Properly
constructed, either works very well. In my experience, the turbulent flow
design is much harder to get right. The diameter and placement of the holes
is critical. If the holes clog up with soot, performance suffers. If the
stove gets bent or damaged, performance suffers. If the pressure leaks out,
performance suffers. It takes a good tinkerer to get a sode-can stove
working really well.
The Cat Stove is much more forgiving. Lots of geometries work quite well. As
long as the air flow stays laminar, it works. This means more people can
successfully make and use a Cat Stove.
You said:
>There is some trade off in efficiency. Sgt Rock has shown that the open
>mouth designs use fuel more frugally, albeit creating a significantly
>longer boil time. Time is one thing we seem to have plenty of in the woods,
>and many people don't care that they take longer. The open designs can also
>simmer better because of this slower burn. Time to achieve boiling is an
>elusive thing. I would like to again caution you (and your wife), to not
>get too hung up on this particular number. Weight of the stove is a static
>number that remains constant (assuming the scale is calibrated correctly).
>I can say with confidence that the Solo weighs 1.150 ounces. But boil time
>is affected by a plethora of factors including water and air temp, stove
>temp, fuel temp, wind, type of pot used, construction and position of
>windscreen and even lighting technique. The type of pot and lighting
>technique seem to be especially volatile. Boil time can even be
>significantly lowered by darkening the outside of a pot. These factors
>explain the wide range of reported numbers.
>Aaron
For the record, all contests to date have shown the Cat Stove as the fastest
to boil water. (But not by enough that anybody really cares.) Sgt. Rock
showed that it's MORE fuel efficient than any commercial or home-made
alcohol stove out there except his own design, which takes about twice as
long to boil water. This more than makes up for the weight penalty of the
Cat Stove vs the soda-can stove.
Plans for the Cat Stove can be found at:
http://royrobinson.homestead.com
Sorry for the soap-box sermon. Can you tell I'm an engineer?
Flyin' Brian
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:31:19 EST
From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Class of 2004 Gear
To: Hiker97@aol.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <161.2a897d5b.2d3eea17@aol.com>
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Here's another option:
(But first, I got no hit on the Campmor URL you mentioned when I tried it,
so
can't see what they're offering.)
Just sew a D-ring on the front of each shoulder strap on your pack of choice
and lasso the tops of your 2 liter soda bottles (or 1.5 liter disposable
water
bottles or whatever), and carry all the water you need. Advantages: Pretty
near zero cost. The weight is carried if front instead of in your pack,
counterbalancing the stuff you have to carry anyway. The water is easily
accessible, being in front. The only problem is, the bottles will swing as
you walk.
So keep them from doing that with some heavy rubber bands or string or, as I
did, a bit of nylon strapping and velcro.
This will get you from Scissors Crossing to Barrel Springs safely even if
the
Trail Angels aren't looking out after you. With all respect for our TA's,
who always seem to appear when we most need them, do not leave a water
source in
the southern deserts without enough water to get you to the next known
water.
You may get very uncomfortable, or worse. Oh, and for the Class of '04,
who
may not have done all their homework? The longest stretch of the PCT
without
water is not in southern California. It's the Hat Creek Rim. Look out for
that.
_____
In a message dated 1/17/04 8:23:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, Hiker97@aol.com
writes:
> One option for carrying extra water is the Coghlan's universal bottle
> carrier
> (see www.campmor .com, #87672-H). I use two for carrying two 1.5 liter
> bottles (from the local health food store, SmartWater). The Velcro
> adjustable
> straps around the bottle are very adjustable with a wide range of sizes.
>
> The carrier comes with straps so you can carry it across your chest and
> weighs 2.75 ounces/$3.99 each. Not bad for carrying 1.5 liters.
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:04:53 -0800
From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] South-bound questions
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>, <adrian.borner@ch.abb.com>
Message-ID: <200401202036.i0KKaOch006901@cnwmail.isomedia.com>
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I did not want to cross the border with my horse(involves a coggins test
less than a month old, health certificat, vet examine at the border) so I
did a loop going up the Paysayten river and hooking to the PCT 3 miles from
the border at Castle Pass. I send this discription to another horse owner
, and have cut and pasted fromthat post:
I avoided the crossing by making a loop and traveling with another person.
We left one trailer at Rainey pass where we exited, and drove the other to
the robinson Creek Trailhead(informal campsites, good water, no grass,
hitching rail), just outside of Mazama. There is a ranger station on the
road to the trailhead and we left a package of two days of feed there and
the ranger later transported it to the cabin at Harts Pass. We rode up and
over Robinson Pass, down into the Paysayten River to the "airport" cabin
(22 miles - no real water at the cabin, lots of grass); then airport over
Dead Lake Pass into the Chuchwactee Creek , up to Frosty Pass, over to
Castle Creek on the PCT,where we camped and then rode to the border and
back -6 miles, about 23 total);Pct south to Hopkins and Woody Pass to a
camp at "delicious spring" (good water, and very annoying deer that kept us
awake all night -about 16 miles, but didn't know about the basins to the
south, if they had water); thence to Hart,s Pass where there is a very good
, but unseen basin with good grass and water just down the road (NE)from
the cabin . A fire went through there this year and I don't know what is
left but seems like some of the best grass on the trail is in burned areas.
the next day camped in a small basin on the hillside beyond Glacier Pass
(some water, little grass, go uphill to a second bench, lots of people on
the bench near the trail). Reached Rainey Pass the next day (hitching
posts on North side at end of road and just beyond bathrooms, not visible
from parking lot).
If you started at rainy pass and went north, you could backtrack and exit
from Harts/slate Pass - there is a connector from the PCT at that point to
the Robinson Pass Trail (about 4 miles to get to the Robinson Pass trail
and maybe 10 over the pass and down to the trailhead). Would save a day or
two - the terrain from Rainy Pass to Hart's Pass is pretty rough in places
and a perpetual problem with the tread crawling downhill and being blocked
by rockfall from above.
Joanne
----------
> From: adrian.borner@ch.abb.com
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] South-bound questions
> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:15 AM
>
>
> Slowly I start with my planning for this years section hike from the
> Canadian border to Oregon. I was thinking of flying into Seattle early
> August where I would prepare and send off my mail-drops. One possibility
> then would be to take Greyhound and travel to Manning Park via Vancouver.
> Since with my Swiss passport I am a bit worried about the border
sitation,
> i.e. re-entering the US via the Green Border, I wonder if there is a
> possibility accessing the northern terminus of the PCT from the South,
i.e.
> without leaving the States?
> The other questions is how many miles per day can I expect to make during
> this August-September hike, taking into account the shorter days. I am in
> reasonable good shape and averaged 20 miles on the AT (including days
off)?
> Thanks
> Adrian alias Matterhorn AT01
>
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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:22:39 -0800
From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] South-bound questions
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>, <adrian.borner@ch.abb.com>
Message-ID: <200401202054.i0KKsAch013620@cnwmail.isomedia.com>
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I reread your post,and oneof the main problems that you will have is
getting to the trailhead from Seattle. It is much easier to hitch out from
a trailhead than it is to start from Sea-Tac Airport and get to Hart,s
Pass, Rainey Pass etc.
The guide and the traffic will be northbound. I have used the guide going
southbound but it is frustrating and sometimes difficult to envision in the
opposite direction. I ended up just using the maps, because the
descriptions were so useless southbound. All the thruhiker and long
distance travelers willl be going northbound for the most part; if you were
going north you would sometimes have company and be hiking with others;
this is unlikely to happen southbound. Also if you get to know people
onthe northbound there is a good chance of making a contact that will be
able to transport you from Rainey Pass. (It would be even easier if you
hiked back to Stehikin and took the ferry, a lot of people from Seattle
visit Stehikin and you could probably find one in Chelen at the ferry
parking lot, or find somebody on the Ferry).
So why not start from Oregon and go Northbound? You could fly into
Portland, and there will probably be some contact from jPortland. The
Amtrak Train goes to Eugene, then over to Klamath Falls. YOu could take a
bus down I -5 from Eugene,maybe get droppped off at Callahans (on I-5 and
about 1 mile from the trail.)
Joanne
----------
> From: adrian.borner@ch.abb.com
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] South-bound questions
> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:15 AM
>
>
> Slowly I start with my planning for this years section hike from the
> Canadian border to Oregon. I was thinking of flying into Seattle early
> August where I would prepare and send off my mail-drops. One possibility
> then would be to take Greyhound and travel to Manning Park via Vancouver.
> Since with my Swiss passport I am a bit worried about the border
sitation,
> i.e. re-entering the US via the Green Border, I wonder if there is a
> possibility accessing the northern terminus of the PCT from the South,
i.e.
> without leaving the States?
> The other questions is how many miles per day can I expect to make during
> this August-September hike, taking into account the shorter days. I am in
> reasonable good shape and averaged 20 miles on the AT (including days
off)?
> Thanks
> Adrian alias Matterhorn AT01
>
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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:55:58 EST
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] South-bound questions
To: adrian.borner@ch.abb.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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One more thing Adrian, if you decide to take the trail from Harts Pass
north,
you may want to considering doing the 25 miles to Lakeview Ridge and camping
there depending on the weather.
Had it not been snowing and blowing I would have, the view was absolutely
stunning. Try to get there for sunset. There's a small campsite on the
ridge
that's sheltered from winds from the west. Unfortunately, when I was there
the
winds were blowing hard from the east and I thought better of it, so I
camped
down by the lake. It looks like you can pick up water about 5 miles south,
maybe less.
Also, it's the highest point on the trail in Washington, which makes it
doubly special.
Sly
PS I wouldn't worry about getting to Harts Pass. Just try and get as close
as you can and if you can't find a shuttle, just hitch, it's all part of the
adventure.
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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:22:34 -0800
From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Major Wanderlust happening here!
To: "pct-mailing list" <PCT-L@backcountry.net>
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This feels like withdrawal. This is the first year in 5 that I don'thave a
large trip planned.
Most people are satisfied with a few days out and back trip. But even from
the beganning when I was climbing, I wanted to stay out all summer, and
climb all the peaks on one ridge, go down into a pass and catch another
ridge and continue for as long as I could. Pretty hard to find another
climber to do this. Fortunately, for a while I had a husband that liked
the same thing but he is now retired.
Just hiking has never much satisfied me: I want to go somewhere. It gets
something down deep in my soul to be in a new wildness day after day,
walking and packing.
I wondered if it would be the same if I chose a 100 mile section of the PCT
and hiked it back and forth for 2,650 miles. Or suppose I took an 80 mile
segment and had a big cache on each end, and leisurely went back and forth
and did every side trail and spent months in the same area, walking and
absorbing one area. Would it be the same? Which 80-100 mile segment would
you choose?
Goforth
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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:08:26 -0700
From: "Jeffrey J. Olson" <jjolson@uwyo.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Major Wanderlust happening here!
To: "pct-mailing list" <PCT-L@backcountry.net>
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Tuolomne Meadows to Whitney or
Snoqualmie Pass to Stevens Pass
Jeff Olson
Laramie WY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
To: "pct-mailing list" <PCT-L@backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:22 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Major Wanderlust happening here!
>
> This feels like withdrawal. This is the first year in 5 that I don'thave
a
> large trip planned.
>
> Most people are satisfied with a few days out and back trip. But even
from
> the beganning when I was climbing, I wanted to stay out all summer, and
> climb all the peaks on one ridge, go down into a pass and catch another
> ridge and continue for as long as I could. Pretty hard to find another
> climber to do this. Fortunately, for a while I had a husband that liked
> the same thing but he is now retired.
>
> Just hiking has never much satisfied me: I want to go somewhere. It gets
> something down deep in my soul to be in a new wildness day after day,
> walking and packing.
>
> I wondered if it would be the same if I chose a 100 mile section of the
PCT
> and hiked it back and forth for 2,650 miles. Or suppose I took an 80 mile
> segment and had a big cache on each end, and leisurely went back and forth
> and did every side trail and spent months in the same area, walking and
> absorbing one area. Would it be the same? Which 80-100 mile segment
would
> you choose?
>
> Goforth
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