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- Subject: [pct-l] RE: Responses to Photo Request
- From: jcoyle at sanjuan.edu (John Coyle)
- Date: Tue Jan 13 14:35:45 2004
Thanks to Tangent, Strider, Mags, David, Judson, and any others that steered
me towards PCT photos; they sure hit the spot. I have to admit I am mostly
a fair weather hiker even though, or maybe because, I grew up in a cold,
snowy climate. My ears got frostbitten once when I was in middle school
waiting for a school bus that was late. It was twenty below and I forgot my
hat. I didn't feel much pain as they froze, but they sure hurt as they
thawed out in the bus that eventually came to pick us up. They turned all
black and blue, but at least they didn't drop off--and I never forgot my hat
again!.
That incident may have something to do with why I hike mostly in the summer.
Anyway, it sure is nice to kick back in the middle of winter and look at
beautiful PCT summer pictures and dream of the summer hiking season to
come.(This wouldn't apply to our Australian mates who are in the middle of
their summer now--and please, Mr. Irwin, love you, but kick it down a notch
won't you?)
John Coyle(Jayco)
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: RE: Photographs of the PCT (Edmond Meinfelder)
2. Re: RE: Photographs of the PCT (Bighummel@aol.com)
3. I dont understand ! (Norma)
4. ?????, (Norma)
5. PCT Photos (Paul Magnanti)
6. Unsafe river crossing under belay (Campy)
7. San Felipe Hills, Calif. Sec A, Blue Tent Found
(Gregory L. Colvin)
8. re dogmatism (CMountainDave@aol.com)
9. RE: San Felipe Hills, Calif. Sec A, Water Cache
(Gregory L. Colvin)
10. Re: dogmatism (Ben Armstrong)
11. Ice Axe Lengths (MONTE ANN DODGE)
12. re dogmatism (Hiker)
13. Re: PCT Class of 2004 Gear (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
14. FW: [pct-l] PCT Class of 2004 Gear (Jerry Goller)
15. Re: re dogmatism (John Mertes)
16. Re: RE: San Felipe Hills, Calif. Sec A, Water Cache (AsABat)
17. Re: re dogmatism (Jim McEver)
18. Re: 5 gal bucket (Ken Marlow)
19. Re: Gear List (The Mountain Goat)
20. Re: Gear List (dude)
21. Re: (no subject) (dude)
22. hardest climb? (Judson Brown)
23. Re: hardest climb? (Slyatpct@aol.com)
24. Re: hardest climb? (Christopher Willett)
25. FW: [pct-l] 5 gal bucket (Jon Lovejoy)
26. Re: hardest climb? (Slyatpct@aol.com)
27. RE: Gear List (Jon Lovejoy)
28. Re: re dogmatism (CMountainDave@aol.com)
29. RE: hardest climb? (Kent Ryhorchuk)
30. ice ax (CMountainDave@aol.com)
31. Re: ice ax (Slyatpct@aol.com)
32. socks (Steve Setzer)
33. RE: socks (Jennifer Holliday)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:52:16 -0700
From: Edmond Meinfelder <edmond@mydogmeg.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] RE: Photographs of the PCT
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
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At 12:35 PM 1/12/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of any sites that specialize in photographs of the PCT.
Here are two:
http://www.artofthetrail.com/index.html
http://www.thruhikers.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=504
Tangent
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:18:36 EST
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] RE: Photographs of the PCT
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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The PCTA is starting a youth outreach program with the purpose of "planting
seeds" into youth wilderness programs near the PCT to increase public
awareness, appreciation and interest in the trail. "PCT Ambassadors" will
periodically
give talks to these youth groups up and down the trail. A pilot program is
just now in the earliest stages of planning.
As such I am seeking photographs of the PCT that capture its essence to put
into a "Best of the PCT" presentation. If you have particularly great shots
of
the trail, scenery, people, equipment, mud, mosquitos, the heat, the trials,
the ecstacy, the trail towns, resupply messes, etc., etc. please consider
donating them to this cause.
Send us your photograph/s in JPEG format at a resolution no higher than 1024
by 768 pixels to me at this email address or to strider@pct77.org.
Thank you,
Greg "Strider" Hummel
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:27:58 -0800
From: "Norma" <n.ruiz@verizon.net>
Subject: [pct-l] I dont understand !
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What are you asking me ?
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:29:59 -0800
From: "Norma" <n.ruiz@verizon.net>
Subject: [pct-l] ?????,
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Just what are you asking of me ?
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:52:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Photos
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I have a collection of photos at:
http://gallery.backcountry.net/pmagspct02
Clcik on the pics once for a larger view, click on
again for the full view.
Greg, you are more than welcome to use any of the
photos that you think may work.
Mags
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:20:29 -0800
From: Campy <campydog@verizon.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Unsafe river crossing under belay
To: Hiker <hiker@godlikebuthumble.com>, pct-l@backcountry.net
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Hiker <hiker@godlikebuthumble.com> wrote:
There have been MANY cases of a rope causing the death by drowning
of the
person fording a swift creek by pulling and holding the forder
under. So
many in fact that I was taught it is generally accepted that the
forder
must have a quick release on the rope attachment.
This is very true, but down in the fine detail, worse than death by
drowning. Years ago a fairly scientific treatise pointed out that if a
person secured by a waist loop was swept off his or her feet by the
river current, the person would become acutely bent at the waist by the
water's force. The pull of the rope on the person's mid-section (held
underwater as earlier claimed) actually causes both kidneys to rupture,
most likely before actual drowning has occurred. This has happened with
patients who have been rescued prior to death by drowning, but only to
soon die of internal injuries.
==^====================
Campy
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Pacific Crest Trail Association
Bishop CA Tel.: 760-872-2338
Email: tap "Reply"
http://www.trailprojects.com or
http://www.trailvolunteer.com click on PCT
"Time spent doing trail work shall not be deducted from your life!"
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:50:08 -0800
From: "Gregory L. Colvin" <colving@silklaw.com>
Subject: [pct-l] San Felipe Hills, Calif. Sec A, Blue Tent Found
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We just hiked Section A, S to N, Jan. 2-10, and found a blue Coleman pup
tent in a stuff bag, w/gray poles & yellow stakes, left under a bush at the
sandy wash nice camping area about 9 miles in. We left it there, not
knowing whether it was intended for someone's return or emergency use. Or,
if someone forgot it...now you know where it is. Greg, Chris, Jared, David
Gregory L. Colvin
Silk, Adler & Colvin
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San Francisco, CA 94104
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:51:16 EST
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] re dogmatism
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>>>>I will make another dogmatic statement: "Leaving Kennedy Meadows in a
normal snow year without an Ice Axe, and the knowledge how to use it, is
risking death."<<<<<<
It really serves no purpose to make that statement because, just as in the
past, the vast majority of PCT hikers are carrying an ice ax for the first
time
with, at best, minimal training. So something other than experience is going
to come into play in order to cross a steep snow slope:
The famous Canadian guide Conrad Cain's number one rule was to never show
fear. He took many totally inexperienced people on hundreds of first ascents
in
the Canadian Rockies and never had an accident. He did not tell them, "if
you
climb this mountain without the proper training you risk death." Instead he
psyched them into believing in themselves. He worked at building their self
confidence, not through training but with attitude. That is what made
inexperienced people safe
Mr. Cain's alter ego is a guide with what is known as the Messiah Complex
and there are plenty of them around. He is forever reminding his clients of
just
how dangerous the situation is, deliberately making them afraid, telling
them
they risked death by simply being where they are. Why? Because the clients
then look to him for salvation. He want's them to believe that his knowledge
and experience is the only thing that is going to get them through this
ordeal
safely. He becomes their Messiah.
I've observed this phenomena several times with boyfriend/girlfriend
relationships where the guy is asking over and over and over again" are you
okay" to
his girl friend. He thinks he is coming across as a really caring guy, but
the
implication is that there is some reason that she might not be okay and that
he has the solution. Meanwhile I feel like yelling at the guy after the
101st
"are you okay" (and she probably does too) "why the hell shouldn't she be
okay? Don't you have any confidence in her at all?"
Conrad Cain's other rules, in case you are interested, were to pay
special attention to the weakest member of the party, be able to come up
with a
white lie and tell it convincingly if the need arises and finally, to tell
someone off when they needed to be told off.
If you want to question what I say, that's fine. If I'm wrong I am
wrong.
But don't quote me out of context. I agreed that roped creek crossings were
dangerous and that I personally would avoid them (I won't say never). I
think I
properly inferred that an inexperienced person should NOT cross a creek
using
a rope without rudely saying "boy that's dumb!" It didn't come across that
way in your selected post
Finally here is one scenario where a rope might be used: Someone can't
swim. They are crossing a SLOW MOVING murky creek and they cannot tell how
deep
it is. They are worried about stepping into a hole and drowning. If they do
they can pull on the rope to get back onto firm ground.
Time to move on. David C
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:56:42 -0800
From: "Gregory L. Colvin" <colving@silklaw.com>
Subject: [pct-l] RE: San Felipe Hills, Calif. Sec A, Water Cache
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We passed thru on Jan. 8-9, and found that the water cache now has only
about 2 quarts left (about halfway thru the Hills, at the jeep road coming
up from the east, maintained by the San Diego Sierra Club according to the
Schaffer guide). Thanks. Greg, Chris, Jared, David
Gregory L. Colvin
Silk, Adler & Colvin
235 Montgomery Street, Suite 1220
San Francisco, CA 94104
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415/421-0712 (fax)
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:12:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Armstrong <benarmstrong1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] dogmatism
To: Hiker <hiker@godlikebuthumble.com>, pct-l@backcountry.net
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Just for the record, I didn't write the quote below. I quoted
CMountainDave.
Providing wilderness advice is a risky venture. Know your audience.
Ben
Hiker <hiker@godlikebuthumble.com> wrote:
At 08:49 AM 1/12/04, Ben Armstrong wrote:
>"Every situation is unique and every situation involving chance involves
>decisions of the
>moment, not rules"
Yes, this is absolutely true, and a long post explaining the pros and cons
of using a rope belay and explaining technique would have been more
technically accurate, but we live in a "sound-byte" culture where a short
and concise message is most likely to be read. Especially one where a
mishap would likely lead to death.
There have been MANY cases of a rope causing the death by drowning of the
person fording a swift creek by pulling and holding the forder under. So
many in fact that I was taught it is generally accepted that the forder
must have a quick release on the rope attachment.
Since most thru hikers are not going to have the correct equipment, nor the
experience using it, a short reply saying it is a bad thing to do makes
more sense to me.
I will make another dogmatic statement: "Leaving Kennedy Meadows in a
normal snow year without an Ice Axe, and the knowledge how to use it, is
risking death."
Use the delete key if I offend you.
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Subject: Re: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need?
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For reference ...
I started off eating really healthy snacks, but that practice went
down the shitter after i learned that i had to get most of my snack
resupplies out of gas station convenience stores. (i was totally
sick of eating this stuff by the end of the trail) Buying snacks out
of convenience stores most of the time also blew my monthly snack
budget since I had originally used grocery store costs to develop it.
Oh yeah, I didn't eat many cliff / powerbars on the trip. I was
sick of them before i even started. The only ones I could stomach
were those dense little calorie bombs from Pemmican.
Somewhere in the archives of this list is some pretty good info on
major grocery store resupply points. I'd keep that info handy when
it comes to putting together resupply boxes. For any resupply point
without a decent grocery store, I'd be sure to throw in some "special
snacks" to give yourself some variety.
Ok, back to the orginal question ...
This is a relative example of what i ate most of the time.
Breakfast
- 2 cups of high calorie granola (6 varieties, 400+ cal per cup)
- organic powdered milk (http://www.organicvalley.com/)
- i bought all of this in advance from a local health food store
Midmorning snack
- 1 package poptarts
- fig newtons, breakfast bars, or breakfast danish
Lunch
- PowerMush (my own specially created high-cal dehydrated food) OR
- high calorie bagel with lots of PB (big "everything" bagels are
great, a couple of english muffins work great too)
- some sort of chips / crackers
Midafternoon snack
- 1 candy bar
- various cookies / crackers / nuts
Lateafternoon snack
- various cookies / crackers / nuts
- or sometimes a PB sandwich (great late afternoon snack)
Dinner
- PowerMush
Midnight snack
- 1 candy bar (usually a snickers)
Other relevant info ...
- Hot weather significantly reduced my normal insatiable appetite for
sweets and increased my desire for savory snacks
- Melted candy bars in hot weather weren't very enjoyable. For some
reason the taste of the chocolate changed after constantly being
melted and resolidified.
- Cold weather sent my desire for sweets through the roof.
I hope that helps
-Teflon
--- Slyatpct@aol.com wrote:
> Normal day
> - Breakfast: 800-900 cal
> - Midmorning snack: 600-700 cal
> - Lunch: 800-1000 cal
> - Midafternoon snack: 600-700 cal
> - Late afternoon snack: 200-300 cal
> - Dinner: 800-1000 cal
> - Midnight snack: 200-300 cal
>
> Could you pass on just what you were eating?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sly
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:33:40 -0800
From: "MONTE ANN DODGE" <montedodge@msn.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Ice Axe Lengths
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Perfect ice axe length for the PCT hiker? One that fits flat in the palm
of your hand when touching the floor. ( Real world!!)
Advantages of a short ice axe are saving of weight ( And maybe climbing a
frozen waterfall while frontpointing for a feature shot for Outside
magazine!)
Disadvantages are several. Shorts handles don't self belay as well as
longer handles. Also less control of axe( Glissading) longer handle has more
control. Shorter axes are more likely to end you in your ribs during fall.
Walking download with a short ice axe sucks!! Esp. in soft snow. On Rainier,
short axes dangle worthlessly as they come downhill and don't help to
prevent slipping whil a longer axe becoming a third leg and quite helpful. (
Same applies in Sierras comedown Forester Pass and others)
With all the new light ice axes today, even a longer axe is quite light.
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From: larry hillberg <walkinglarry@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear List
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Some thoughts for your consideration......
Leave the trowel at home, use sticks and stones.
Pee bottle is good. I used an empty Gatorade bottle.
Consider a spare pair of sunglasses. In the snow,
sunglasses are mandatory, not merely useful.
The backpacks are good choices. The Auspex would
serve you well for your entire journey.
You don't need a stuff sack for your sleeping bag.
Instead, stuff the bag loosely into a compactor bag.
It's better for your down bags and saves weight.
Consider leaving the Tevas at home, especially if you
are hiking in trail runners.
Why so many jackets?
Goretex pants don't breathe all that well. If for
hiking, consider Ex Officio pants. If for rainwear,
consider Frogg Toggs. Ditto for jacket.
The Primus is a good choice.
Carry along some Immodium AD, perhaps anti-histamine.
Carry along some spare socks, both liners and hiking.
No doubt you'll get a wealth of varying input for your
question. Consider all, ask more, then make the best
choice for yourself. You'll end your hike with less
gear than you start with. All the best for your hike.
Larry H
--- Jim Keener <jkeener@pct04.com> wrote:
> Greetings:
>
> Well, here goes. I'm asking for feedback on my gear
> list:
>
> http://pct04.com/planninig/gear.pdf
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Peace,
> Jim
>
> http://pct04.com
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:21:26 -0800
From: Hiker <hiker@godlikebuthumble.com>
Subject: [pct-l] re dogmatism
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At 02:51 PM 1/12/04, CMountainDave@aol.com wrote:
> He worked at building their self
>confidence, not through training but with attitude. That is what made
>inexperienced people safe
That, and being led by an experienced Guide.
After all, his clients were about to test their metal with little or no
time for training. And yes attitude and boldness can get you through
sometimes, especially when alloyed with an experienced leader. Other times
it just gets you into serious trouble.
That being said, the primary use of this forum is preparation and planning,
and most thru-hikers are not paying guides to go with them. There is still
time for training at this point in time, and if scaring people into buying
an Ice Axe and getting training (or at least reading about self-arrest)
works, then it might just save some lives.
And planning what to do before it happens (like facing a steep snow slope
or a raging river) usually leads to better decisions in the field, even if
the pre conceived plans themselves change. As General Dwight D. Eisenhower
said: "Plans are worthless. Planning is essential."
Hiker
"Walk softly and carry a belt-fed weapon."
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:47:07 EST
From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Class of 2004 Gear
To: jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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In a message dated 1/12/2004 11:11:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org writes:
>>>>There will be 5 testers. One of the things they will be looking at is
how
much food they will hold and how easy to pack they are.>>>
Will you be including the Bearikade?
No Way
Ray Echols
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:04:45 -0700
From: "Jerry Goller" <jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org>
Subject: FW: [pct-l] PCT Class of 2004 Gear
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No, this test is just for the Bear Vault. I am still working on the
Bearikade. Competition tends to make manufacturers more interested in
BGT..... ;o)
Jerry
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In a message dated 1/12/2004 11:11:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org writes:
>>>>There will be 5 testers. One of the things they will be looking at
is how much food they will hold and how easy to pack they are.>>>
Will you be including the Bearikade?
No Way
Ray Echols
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:52:15 -0800
From: John Mertes <jmertes@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] re dogmatism
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I have just one experience carrying an ice ax.
I was on a Sierra Club trip led by a couple of experienced leaders. All
trip members were required to have an ice ax. I borrowed one from a
friend. In the vicinity of Mt. Banner about July 04, 1973, we had to
cross several steep snow covered slopes. Before the first crossing, the
leaders gave us our only instruction in using the ice ax. aleader led,
and one by one we followed across the snow pack with ice ax at the
ready. About half way across one pack, the snow gave way beneath my
feet. I fell forward and dug the pick into the snow. In 20 or 30 feet or
so, I stopped sliding. If I had kept on going I would have landed on a
frozen lake way below and maybe thru the ice into the cold water. As it
was, I stood up; hiked up the slope and rejoined the rest.
Last minute instruction does work.
IMHE (experience). HYOH, etc.
John
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:35:00 -0800
From: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] RE: San Felipe Hills, Calif. Sec A, Water Cache
To: "Gregory L. Colvin" <colving@silklaw.com>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Thanks for the report, Greg. That cache is usually not replenished except
during thru-hiker season (roughly April and May). The 2 quarts still there
must be left over from last spring.
AsABat
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Message: 17
Date: 12 Jan 2004 21:48:43 -0800
From: "Jim McEver" <mceverj@qwest.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] re dogmatism
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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It seems that every post about "learning to use an ice axe" talks about
self arrest - certainly an important use of the tool. Meanwhile, through
all these years of climbing, I've been thinking my primary use of an axe
was to avoid having to self arrest in the first place - did I miss
something?
Jim
On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 16:21, Hiker wrote:
> At 02:51 PM 1/12/04, CMountainDave@aol.com wrote:
> > He worked at building their self
> >confidence, not through training but with attitude. That is what made
> >inexperienced people safe
>
> That, and being led by an experienced Guide.
>
> After all, his clients were about to test their metal with little or no
> time for training. And yes attitude and boldness can get you through
> sometimes, especially when alloyed with an experienced leader. Other times
> it just gets you into serious trouble.
>
> That being said, the primary use of this forum is preparation and
planning,
> and most thru-hikers are not paying guides to go with them. There is still
> time for training at this point in time, and if scaring people into buying
> an Ice Axe and getting training (or at least reading about self-arrest)
> works, then it might just save some lives.
>
> And planning what to do before it happens (like facing a steep snow slope
> or a raging river) usually leads to better decisions in the field, even if
> the pre conceived plans themselves change. As General Dwight D. Eisenhower
> said: "Plans are worthless. Planning is essential."
>
> Hiker
> "Walk softly and carry a belt-fed weapon."
>
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:06:30 -0800
From: Ken Marlow <kenmarlow@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 5 gal bucket
To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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That sounds like a great way to go for a bounce box. Back when I did the
trail in '82, regular shipments used conventional boxes, but inside had food
rodent-proofed, packed in large plastic jars obtained from fast food
restaurants. The jars originally contained food like Mayo and the like. Free
boxes, free jars.
-Ken M.
On 1/12/04 7:20 AM, "Robert B Smith" <rsmithat99@cox.net> wrote:
> I recently posted a question about using 5 gal buckets as a bounce box
(?).
> Based on the really good advice given I plan to use a 5 gal bucket. Using
a
> bucket is something I would have never thought of but it made sense to me
> right off/
>
> Thanks to everyone for the responses.
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:10:15 -0800 (PST)
From: The Mountain Goat <themtgoat@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear List
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Ok, Jim;
Pack: I am also taking a MT Smith/Ghost pack in 2005. You have good taste...
Hmm... very through list....
I saw bandages, is that bandaids? you know the small kind, like 3/4" X 3"
for small scrapes..
Ok, that it, your so through I bringing out my list....lets see if I can
find anything missing:
Things you probably need.
1. shorts - are you taking any kind of shorts. I see the pants, but what if
it gets hot? or do you pants zip off and become shorts? Let me guess it on
the list, I just didn't see it.
Things you may want.
1. Sewing kit, you know the small .1oz type you get at some Hotels....
2. Glue stick and lighter. I kid you not. Another way to fix shoes, packs,
pants. I see you already have duck tape, but Glue stick and a lighter might
be helpfull. Suggest those ultra small lighters, that are about 1/2 - 1/3
size of normal. Also there are two sizes of glue sticks. I am suggesting the
smaller of the two sizes.
Final Analysis: You must already be an expert, or well on your way....Your
list seems very through. Good luck on your trip, and I am sure we would all
be interested to hear what worked and didn't work for you....
-Mt Goat-
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Thanks in advance.
Peace,
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Thanks for all your input,
The Consensus seems to be:
1. You will need about 2LB on the trip (some say up to 3 LB for the Sierras)
2. Olive oil is a good supplement with a good calorie/pound ratio.
3. You probably can't carry enough weight anyway, so plan on eating well
when you
get to Civilization..
4. You could eat better on shorter trips to make up deficit on longer ones.
5. Just go man, you can't plan it all out. Thats part of the adventure (This
is course is a
rough paraphrase)....
Thank you all for your input. Guess I will just have to find out in 2005!
only 16 months left.
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You might also consider boosting both the flavor and calories of your
meals with freeze dried butter or sour cream. Both of the come in at
over 200 calories per ounce and there is no oil mess.
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Thanks for all your input,
=20
The Consensus seems to be:
1. You will need about 2LB on the trip (some say up to 3 LB for the
Sierras) 2. Olive oil is a good supplement with a good calorie/pound
ratio. 3. You probably can't carry enough weight anyway, so plan on
eating well when you =20
get to Civilization..
4. You could eat better on shorter trips to make up deficit on longer
ones. 5. Just go man, you can't plan it all out. Thats part of the
adventure (This is course is a=20
rough paraphrase)....
=20
Thank you all for your input. Guess I will just have to find out in
2005! only 16 months left. -Mt Goat-
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:07:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear List
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like others on the list have stated, you will get tons of different
opinions on this, so just take the commenst you like and don't worry
about the rest. you will be making adjustments to your gear for at
least the first few hundred miles and you will learn what you like
and don't like to carry.
here are some comments on your gear:
1. I agree with marshall, you likely will not need more gear in the
sierra (except the ice axe). I did 408 miles of the Sierras in one
of the heaviest snow years and carried barely anything. although I
was in the sierras much later than a thru-hiker would be.
noetheless, I was quite ok with just a water-resistant rain suit, and
a fleece jacket, and stocking cap. I carried very little clothing,
and was only cold on a few mornings, but warmed up as soon as the sun
came out.
2. Not sure why you are switching between the two packs. I always
liked finding one that works and sticking with it. however, if two
packs works for you, then do that.
3. depending on how warmly you sleep, you might be able to get away
with the 30 degree bag for the whole trip. I used a 20 degree on my
408 mile sierra trip and we encountered snowfall and hail. I woke up
many days when the grass was frozen and ice on the tent, yet I had
slept with the bag just draped over me and I was pleny warm. In
2001, I did the JMT with a 14oz down blanket and stayed warm. The 15
degree bag will definitely keep you warm, but ther are several low
spots in the sierra where you might be too warm (especially with a
liner). Sleep is very important, so do what YOU think will work for
you. All I can tell you is what i did, but if you sleep much colder
than me, it won't do you much good to do what I did in the sierra.
4. Pants - all i took was my rain pants. that did just fine for me,
but I didnt have anything to lounge around in in camp, or anything to
wear while washing my shorts.
5. TAKE THE FLOPPY HAT IN THE SIERRA. The sierra nevada gets
something like 300 days of sunshine. You will definitely need a hat
that will keep the sun off of you. If you don't take a hat, you WILL
get charred, or you will have to dowse yourself in sunblock to avoid
it.
6. You wont need ski gloves. I'd dump them.
7. I never used a trowell. I even met several die-hards that didnt
use toilet paper, but I can't say that I recommend that. :-)
8. I never use a pee-bottle. Its not like you are camping in a
himalayan glacier and risk life and limb to go outside yoru tent and
whiz. you might get cold, but i'd rather get cold than carry around
a pee-residue-contaminated bottle for 2600 miles. Imagine if the lid
came un done in your pack and the liquid that you cant get out when
you pur it out get on your toothbrush. no thanks.
9. Tooth powder is lighter than toothpaste.
10. I assume you have already heard way too much about a bear
cannister on this list. :-)
11. i stopped carrying garbae bags and i do not miss them.
12. one platypus is enough for me.
13. mirror - who need vanity on the trail? (I do not wear contacts,
so if you need them for that purpose, I beg your pardon. ...or if
you carry it as an emergency signal device because it makes you feel
safe, I guess that's a good thing. ...feeling safe is good).
14. I never carry moleskin anymore. Duct tape works so much better.
15. First Aid Kit - if you think that you will need Ibuprofen, you
will likely need more than 1 pill. For hard falls or sprains or even
migranes, Doctors frequently tell people to take 800mg of ibuprofen
(usually 4 tablets). If you sustain an injury that requires
Ibuprofen, you may be days away from civilization and might wish you
had a few days supply of Ibuprofen. You may also pass other hikers
that may need some.
Use duct tape instead of medical tape. Its tougher and will last
longer when you are doing stuff outdoors all the time. I dunno if
bandages are bandaids, but I'd throw a few bandaids in there. One
HUGE thing that you are missing IMO is Betadine. I carry one package
of Betadine drenched swabs that come in a sealed package. You see
them alot in Emergency Rooms and Operating Rooms when they clean
wounds. I am not sure where to get them, my wife is a doctor and
just brings them home from her office. She also gets single-serving
packets of bactroban (triple-antibiotic ointment) which are very nice
because they weigh next to nothing.
One thing that I also always include in my first aid kit is a couple
of Immodium tablets (anti-diarhea). One hike I was on, our water
filer didnt work 100% or something and we all had the runs for a
day. I've carried a few immodium tabe ever since.
One last thing that i throw in my first aid kit is a few allergy
pills. I rarely get allergies, but when I do I can't sleep. Allergy
pills can also help fight really nasty allergic reactions to
poisonous plants and insect stings. Some doctors tell patients that
are allergic to bee stings to immediately take benadryl as a good
precautionary measure if they get stung, so that the medicine can
help reduce the allergic reaction on the way to the ER. Benadryl can
also help alleviate itching from poison ivy or poison oak.
I usally just throw all the pills into one tiny ziplock (like 1" x
2") to avoid carrying heavy bottles. These little tiny ziplocks also
work graet for iodine water treatment pills (that little glass bottle
is a total waste of weight).
Hope some of this Helps.
peace,
dude
> Greetings:
>
> Well, here goes. I'm asking for feedback on my gear list:
>
> http://pct04.com/planninig/gear.pdf
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Peace,
> Jim
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:18:48 -0500 (EST)
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I'm not 100% sure on the mosquitoes, but there will likely be lots of
snow still in may (depending where you go). One of the roads to
crater lake doesnt even open until May or June. The National Park
service says that Crater Lake's "winter season" is from october to
june:
http://www.nps.gov/crla/crlatrip.htm
The average low temperature in May at Crater lake is 29:
http://www.nps.gov/crla/clim.htm
good luck.
peace,
dude
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone give me any advice about mosquitoes on the
> trail?? I am planning on hiking for three weeks in Oregon
> in late May, but am worried that the mosquitoes will be
> unbearable. Are they that bad? Should I plan to go in
> August instead?
>
> Any advice would be great!
>
> Thanks,
> Andrea
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:26:14 -0800
From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
Subject: [pct-l] hardest climb?
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OK, folks- here's your chance to chime in. What, IYHO, is the hardest climb
on the PCT? Reply just to me, and I'll compile the results so we can
determine a "winner".
Some rules...northbound only, and just pick one- not one for snowy
conditions, one for longest climb, one for steepest, etc. Just pick one
overall you think merits being called the hardest. I think this should be
pretty interesting. As for myself, I haven't done the whole trail (yet) so I
won't vote.
Judson
Ashland
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:13:18 EST
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hardest climb?
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In a message dated 1/13/2004 8:28:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
judsonb@internetcds.com writes:
> OK, folks- here's your chance to chime in. What, IYHO, is the hardest
climb
> on the PCT? Reply just to me, and I'll compile the results so we can
> determine a "winner".
>
I can't ever recall a "hardest climb" since it's graded for pack stock, the
most difficult is 15% if I'm not mistaken. If there's one knock on the PCT,
especially for former AT hikers, it's not tough enough. Of course, it has
other
challenges to help make up for that.
Sly
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:27:51 -0500 (EST)
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The Apache Spring area in the San Jacintos. In fact, from the Desert
Divide to near the Devils slide is, I think, the hardest (physically)
part of the entire trail.
Suge
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Judson Brown wrote:
> OK, folks- here's your chance to chime in. What, IYHO, is the hardest
climb
> on the PCT? Reply just to me, and I'll compile the results so we can
> determine a "winner".
>
> Some rules...northbound only, and just pick one- not one for snowy
> conditions, one for longest climb, one for steepest, etc. Just pick one
> overall you think merits being called the hardest. I think this should be
> pretty interesting. As for myself, I haven't done the whole trail (yet) so
I
> won't vote.
>
> Judson
> Ashland
>
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:43:59 -0800
From: "Jon Lovejoy" <jon@lovejoyart.com>
Subject: FW: [pct-l] 5 gal bucket
To: "'pctl (E-mail)'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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I used a large bucket from pool chlorinating tablets. It has a threaded
lid with a little spring-loaded ratchet doohickey that you have to hold
in while you unscrew it. Really easy to open & close, and pretty secure
for shipping - I never taped it up.
Molasses
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:04:37 EST
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hardest climb?
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Ok...
That reminds me. : )
The section entering the San Jacintos Wilderness was about the hardest for
me
and my first at elevation. After that, and once I was in shape, it wasn't
all that bad. Too many switchbacks!
Sly
In a message dated 1/13/2004 9:30:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
chwillet@indiana.edu writes:
> The Apache Spring area in the San Jacintos. In fact, from the Desert
> Divide to near the Devils slide is, I think, the hardest (physically)
> part of the entire trail.
>
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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:08:26 -0800
From: "Jon Lovejoy" <jon@lovejoyart.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Gear List
To: "'Jim Keener'" <jkeener@pct04.com>
Cc: pct-l@backcountry.net
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Jim, I didn't see socks on your list. I carried 2 pair and had a fresh
pair in every resupply box. I left a few in hiker boxes along the way
and threw out a few, but it was worth it to me to always have fresh
socks entering into the rotation.
When I went through some of the desert sections, some expected water
sources had been shut off due to high mineral content. I don't do
laundry at a water cache, so being able to rotate through newer socks
was useful to me.
Molasses
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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:07:19 EST
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] re dogmatism
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
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In a message dated 1/12/04 4:23:41 PM, hiker@godlikebuthumble.com writes:
<< And planning what to do before it happens (like facing a steep snow slope
or a raging river) usually leads to better decisions in the field, even if
the pre conceived plans themselves change. As General Dwight D. Eisenhower
said: "Plans are worthless. Planning is essential."
>>
Well said
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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:36:22 -0800
From: "Kent Ryhorchuk" <kentr-lists@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] hardest climb?
To: "'pctl (E-mail)'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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The alternate route north out of Belden - the Indian Springs trail
(2002). I'm not sure if the normal PCT route has been restored yet, but
I think that myself, Cathy and another person we hiked it with were the
only people that took the alternate route anyways. It was very hot,
completely burnt up, and ripped up by motorcycles. We followed it
because some signs indicated that the PCT was "closed" for
reconstruction due to landslides.
If you do decide to take this godforsaken trail, my advice is that there
is a decent spring about half way to Indian Springs 20 yards off the
trail. You will hear it and see a spur trail to it from a switchback. I
drank my only two quarts of water just to get there and I would have
been VERY thirsty by the time I got to Indian Springs without it. That
spring and Indian Springs are the only water until you get to Cold
Spring.
Better yet, you can join me and Cathy on the normal PCT route this year
- closed or not!
Kent.
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[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Judson Brown
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:26 AM
To: pctl (E-mail)
Subject: [pct-l] hardest climb?
OK, folks- here's your chance to chime in. What, IYHO, is the hardest
climb
on the PCT? Reply just to me, and I'll compile the results so we can
determine a "winner".
Some rules...northbound only, and just pick one- not one for snowy
conditions, one for longest climb, one for steepest, etc. Just pick one
overall you think merits being called the hardest. I think this should
be
pretty interesting. As for myself, I haven't done the whole trail (yet)
so I
won't vote.
Judson
Ashland
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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:57:28 EST
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] ice ax
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
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I would like to certainly agree that an ice ax is an important thing to have
when crossing steep snow. I don't want to give the impression that it is
useless without training. Sure, get training if you can. But if nothing
else, it
will give you more confidence when crossing steep snow and that alone will
make
it safer. It will also stop you 95% (just a guess) of the time when you slip
BEFORE you start sliding. People instinctively grab the shaft when they slip
and that is usually enough to prevent a slide
Once you start sliding all bets are off. Most people panic and either try
to do whatever it takes to stop or they freeze up and do nothing. It just
happens so fast that all training techniques go out the window. Of course,
the
more times you slide unexpectedly the better you get at being able to panic
in a
good way
I like to think that I panic well. I am always asking my self "what if."
Call it planning if you like. A couple of examples: I was helping to teach
students to glissade. I positioned myself below them near the glissade
track. One
student for whatever reason lost her ice ax and began to pick up dangerous
speed. Although a safe rubout several hundred feet down most likely would
have
stopped her, the possibility existed that she would start cartwheeling
before
she got there. So I raced across the snow and as she went by I body slammed
her
into the relatively soft snow stopping her instantly. I had thought "what
if"
in order to be in a position to do what I did.
On a climb of Rainier, I was the middle man on a rope. I thought what if
the lead guy slips and can't self arrest? What would I do? Well, sure enough
that happened. I had plenty of time to react because it would take several
seconds for him to go by and then pull me down as well. I had several
options. I
could have just frozen up and watch him go by without doing anything. I
could
have assumed the self arrest position and just waited for the rope to get
tight
and hope he would not pull me off. But he weighed quite a bit more than I
did
and didn't want to risk it. So instead I immediately plunged my ice ax as
far
as it would go into the snow and wrapped the rope around it several times.
Then I laid down in the snow, holding onto the head of the ice ax. There was
a
mighty tug on the ax, but it worked, and on we went. Would the standard
taught
technique of assuming the self arrest position have worked? Beats me but I'm
glad I didn't have to find out
David C
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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:08:18 EST
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] ice ax
To: CMountainDave@aol.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
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In a message dated 1/13/2004 11:59:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
CMountainDave@aol.com writes:
> it
> will give you more confidence when crossing steep snow and that alone will
> make
> it safer.
>
Actually since I didn't have training prior to my start and nearly took off
my shoulder off during practice on the trail, I felt much more comfortable
crossing steep snow with both poles, one shortened on the up hill side, the
other
lengthened. This way it was much easier to maintain my balance. Perhaps
the
most important factor, I also timed my passes to reach snow when it was
softened and not icy. I could also prod along well in front of me to test
for icy
"trail".
YMMV,
Sly
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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:29:17 -0700 (MST)
From: Steve Setzer <Steven.Setzer@Colorado.EDU>
Subject: [pct-l] socks
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
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What kind of socks are most thru hikers using? It seems like people
rotate through a ton of socks so they must not be smartwool ($16 per
pair!). Are you all really using nylon dress socks? I love smartwool
socks but I don't want to buy enough pairs to make it through a thru-hike.
Maybe a few pair would last the whole way but I doubt it.
Steve
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Jon Lovejoy wrote:
> Jim, I didn't see socks on your list. I carried 2 pair and had a fresh
> pair in every resupply box. I left a few in hiker boxes along the way
> and threw out a few, but it was worth it to me to always have fresh
> socks entering into the rotation.
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Message: 33
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:31:55 -0800
From: "Jennifer Holliday" <JHolliday@communitycouncil.org>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] socks
To: <pct-l@backcountry.net>
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I'll be using Bridgedales. Yep, they are pricey, but I've heard great
things (including that one 2002 hiker used two pairs for the whole trail and
wears 'em to this day) and they've treated me well so far.
Jenny
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Setzer [mailto:Steven.Setzer@Colorado.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:29 AM
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] socks
What kind of socks are most thru hikers using? It seems like people
rotate through a ton of socks so they must not be smartwool ($16 per
pair!). Are you all really using nylon dress socks? I love smartwool
socks but I don't want to buy enough pairs to make it through a thru-hike.
Maybe a few pair would last the whole way but I doubt it.
Steve
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Jon Lovejoy wrote:
> Jim, I didn't see socks on your list. I carried 2 pair and had a fresh
> pair in every resupply box. I left a few in hiker boxes along the way
> and threw out a few, but it was worth it to me to always have fresh
> socks entering into the rotation.
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