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- Subject: [pct-l] cutting fuller ridge trail
- From: judithis at mindspring.com (judith harper)
- Date: Sun Apr 10 18:39:04 2005
- References: <20050407043029.A9E791CF9E@edina.hack.net>
Mike,
Your efforts would be appreciated by us. Judith and Paul
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> 1. RE: Echo Lake Resort to Beldon CA (John Coyle)
> 2. Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail (maurer@earthlink.net)
> 3. Re: VVR.... my final words (Hiker)
> 4. Re: Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail (Bighummel@aol.com)
> 5. RE: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail (Mike Saenz)
> 6. PCT Beer of the day (Paul Magnanti)
> 7. Re: Eyewear and South bounders (conor healy)
> 8. RE: Flat Rate Priority Mail (Monty Tam)
> 9. Re: PCT Beer of the day (Jeff Moorehead)
> 10. RE: [BULK] - [pct-l] PCT Beer of the day (Mike Saenz)
> 11. Thru Hiker Mentality (kenandeb@sover.net)
> 12. Re: Thru Hiker Mentality (Bighummel@aol.com)
> 13. South Bound Role Call (David Spangler)
> 14. From an earlier pilgrimage (Paul Magnanti)
> 15. to all my friends....! (Norma)
> 16. PCT hikers (Trekker4@aol.com)
> 17. Thru Hiker Mentality (Deems)
> 18. Re: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail (Bill & Cathy)
> 19. cards? (Elizabeth)
> 20. Re: cards? (Shutterbug steiner)
> 21. RE: Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail (AsABat)
> 22. Re: cards? (Randy Forsland)
> 23. Big Bear (Bill & Cathy)
> 24. RE: Big Bear (AsABat)
> 25. Section C (Don Line)
> 26. Re: Thru Hiker Mentality (Jeffrey J. Olson)
> 27. Re: Thru Hiker Mentality (Glen Hubbell)
> 28. Re: cards? (Slyatpct@aol.com)
> 29. Re: Echo Lake Resort to Belden CA (Marion Davison)
> 30. Re: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
> (dsaufley@sprynet.com)
> 31. PCT hikers (stillroaming)
> 32. Re: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail (Marion Davison)
> 33. Re: cards? (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:01:39 -0700
> From: John Coyle <jcoyle@sanjuan.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] RE: Echo Lake Resort to Beldon CA
> To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> I have parked many times in the parking lot 100 yards up the hill from
Echo
> Lake Resort without any problems, and I don't remember seeing much
evidence
> of break-ins such as broken glass. I wouldn't park next to the resort for
> any length of time though. Also, the upper parking lot fills up by 9-10AM
> in the summer on the weekend, so I would get there early or on a weekday.
I
> hike a lot in this area and personally I would try to park as far away
from
> hwy 50 as you can get. There are literally thousands of people going up
hwy
> 50 to Lake Tahoe from Sacramento and the San Francisco Bay area every day
> and there have been break-ins along that corridor.
>
> John Coyle
> Sacramento
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:13:17 -0700
> From: maurer@earthlink.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> Hi all,
>
> After Trail Fest this weekend and before the Kick Off on the 22nd I
> think I'm going to have time to try and cut a trail across Fuller Ridge.
> As a reminder, I was up at Saddle Jct about 3-4 weeks ago and mentioned
> I might be able to do this for the Thru Hikers. My plan is more of a
> work trip than a hike - I'll plot the PCT every 1/4 mile on my GPS, hike
> up to Strawberry jct out of Idyllwild and basically follow the GPS,
> trying my best to stay on the trail. my goal is to carry crampons, ice
> axe and snow shoes. I will hike to Black Mountain campground and turn
> around. On the way back I will wear snow shoes (if I haven't already!)
> to try and make the trail as visible as possible. I plan on doing this
> friday April 15. I may also take some strips of orange material to tie
> to trees and shrubs.
>
> I do have one philosophical question, though. I'm doing this so that I
> can be of service and help this years Thru Hiker pack get through the
> snow. It occurred to me though that maybe you Thru Hikers WANT the
> adventure and experience of breaking your own trail through Fuller
> Ridge, and that having someone lay it out for you might take away from
> the hiking experience as a whole. The last thing I want to accomplish
> here is to interfere with your adventure. If I end up cutting the trail
> I'd be happy to provide some sort of a summary at the Kick Off.
> Greg/Carl - perhaps you can tack me onto the end of Meadow Ed's water
> talk on Sat. afternoon? Otherwise, anyone can find me at the Gossamer
> booth all weekend. Either one works for me.
>
> Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. As a reminder, I get these
> messages as a digest, not individually, so my responses might be slow.
>
>
>
> Mike Maurer
> Gossamer Gear
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 09:47:06 -0700
> From: Hiker <hiker@godlikebuthumble.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] VVR.... my final words
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20050406093451.073fab10@fastpack.com>
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>
> At 08:00 AM 4/6/05, larry hillberg wrote:
> >"I'm going to be moving to your
> >town, and I want to know what kind of people you got
> >living here." Pete, politely, answered, "I don't
> >rightly know. What kind of people live in the town
> >where you live now?" "Jerks and assholes" said the
> >stranger, "nothing but jerks and assholes."
>
> I heard this one in a sermon several years ago, only it was "wise old man
> who sat at the gate of an ancient city."
>
> =================
>
> There was a wise old man who sat at the gate of an ancient city. A young
> traveler stopped before entering the city and asked the old man, "What
kind
> of people live in this town?" The wise man answered with a question: "What
> kind of people were in the town from which you came?" "Oh, they were liars
> and cheats and thugs and drunks, terrible people," the young traveler
> replied. The old man shook his head, "The people in this town are the same
> way." Later another stranger paused to ask the same question, and again
the
> wise man questioned his questioner: "What kind of people did you just
> leave?" The second traveler answered, "Oh, I left a fine town. The people
> were good and kind and honest and hardworking." The wise old man smiled
and
> said, "The people in this town are the same way."
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:19:08 EDT
> From: Bighummel@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
> To: maurer@earthlink.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> Hi Mike,
>
> If you do this, the information that you gain would be highly useful to
> hikers at the ADZ and you can, and anyone else with pertinent information
(as
> Meadow Ed is not the only one with information on trail snow and water
conditions),
> can pipe up at the water report session.
>
> Additionally, Squeak (Jason Cramer) and I had thought about trying to
break
> trail on Fuller Ridge from the north side, starting at Black Mountain
> campground on the same weekend. I don't know if my schedule or my body
condition will
> allow this.
>
> The problem with this is that early in the Spring the road to Black Mtn
> Campground is often closed and thus entails a long walk from the gate up
to the
> campground. However, as with all PCT hikers, no distance is ever too far
to walk!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg Hummel
>
> In a message dated 4/6/2005 10:13:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> maurer@earthlink.net writes:
> Hi all,
>
> After Trail Fest this weekend and before the Kick Off on the 22nd I
> think I'm going to have time to try and cut a trail across Fuller Ridge.
> As a reminder, I was up at Saddle Jct about 3-4 weeks ago and mentioned
> I might be able to do this for the Thru Hikers. My plan is more of a
> work trip than a hike - I'll plot the PCT every 1/4 mile on my GPS, hike
> up to Strawberry jct out of Idyllwild and basically follow the GPS,
> trying my best to stay on the trail. my goal is to carry crampons, ice
> axe and snow shoes. I will hike to Black Mountain campground and turn
> around. On the way back I will wear snow shoes (if I haven't already!)
> to try and make the trail as visible as possible. I plan on doing this
> friday April 15. I may also take some strips of orange material to tie
> to trees and shrubs.
>
> I do have one philosophical question, though. I'm doing this so that I
> can be of service and help this years Thru Hiker pack get through the
> snow. It occurred to me though that maybe you Thru Hikers WANT the
> adventure and experience of breaking your own trail through Fuller
> Ridge, and that having someone lay it out for you might take away from
> the hiking experience as a whole. The last thing I want to accomplish
> here is to interfere with your adventure. If I end up cutting the trail
> I'd be happy to provide some sort of a summary at the Kick Off.
> Greg/Carl - perhaps you can tack me onto the end of Meadow Ed's water
> talk on Sat. afternoon? Otherwise, anyone can find me at the Gossamer
> booth all weekend. Either one works for me.
>
> Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. As a reminder, I get these
> messages as a digest, not individually, so my responses might be slow.
>
>
>
> Mike Maurer
> Gossamer Gear
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:32:27 -0700
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Subject: RE: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
> To: <maurer@earthlink.net>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> I'd check with the Ranger station in Idyllwild before tying any colored
> strips to trees...
> Personally, I'd rather you not do this. Blazes are already cut into the
> trees indicating where the trails are. And these already draw your eye
> while hiking. Colored strips would be sort of an unnatural intrusion.
> But that's just my personal opinion. The Rangers may have policy or
> regulation issues with it.
>
> On a side note: I just flew over San Jacinto Peak yesterday on my way
> back from Phoenix.
> There's snow on Fuller Ridge, but the level is rising...
> Same for Apache Peak, though Spitler Peak looked green. San Jac's snow
> coverage is still pretty solid, but the snow gets spotty around 7k.
> By the 1st half of May, when the herd gets to San Jac, the coverage may
> be down to just patches. It's been getting warmer each day since the
> last heavy rain.
>
> -Oilcan
>
>
>
> Michael Saenz, Associate Partner
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of
> maurer@earthlink.net
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:13 AM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
>
> Hi all,
>
> After Trail Fest this weekend and before the Kick Off on the 22nd I
> think I'm going to have time to try and cut a trail across Fuller Ridge.
>
> As a reminder, I was up at Saddle Jct about 3-4 weeks ago and mentioned
> I might be able to do this for the Thru Hikers. My plan is more of a
> work trip than a hike - I'll plot the PCT every 1/4 mile on my GPS, hike
> up to Strawberry jct out of Idyllwild and basically follow the GPS,
> trying my best to stay on the trail. my goal is to carry crampons, ice
> axe and snow shoes. I will hike to Black Mountain campground and turn
> around. On the way back I will wear snow shoes (if I haven't already!)
> to try and make the trail as visible as possible. I plan on doing this
> friday April 15. I may also take some strips of orange material to tie
> to trees and shrubs.
>
> I do have one philosophical question, though. I'm doing this so that I
> can be of service and help this years Thru Hiker pack get through the
> snow. It occurred to me though that maybe you Thru Hikers WANT the
> adventure and experience of breaking your own trail through Fuller
> Ridge, and that having someone lay it out for you might take away from
> the hiking experience as a whole. The last thing I want to accomplish
> here is to interfere with your adventure. If I end up cutting the trail
> I'd be happy to provide some sort of a summary at the Kick Off.
> Greg/Carl - perhaps you can tack me onto the end of Meadow Ed's water
> talk on Sat. afternoon? Otherwise, anyone can find me at the Gossamer
> booth all weekend. Either one works for me.
>
> Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. As a reminder, I get these
> messages as a digest, not individually, so my responses might be slow.
>
>
>
> Mike Maurer
> Gossamer Gear
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:47:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Beer of the day
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20050406184721.97570.qmail@web52704.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Looked at my "Beer of the day calendar", just noticed
> April 5th (yesterday) is "Full Sail Switchback Ale"
> brewed in Hood River, Oregon. Described as
> "pleasantly light and agile on the palate...".
>
> Some PCTers choose to re-suppply in Hood River rather
> than Cascade Locks, so I'd say this brew qualifies as
> a PCT brew.
>
>
> Another brew to add to the PCT beer list. :)
>
>
>
> ************************************************************
> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught, a
portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
> http://www.magnanti.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:48:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: conor healy <revgizmo@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Eyewear and South bounders
> To: Mara Jeffress <mara@jeffress.net>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20050406184829.60297.qmail@web53610.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I wore contacts during my entire hike, and loved them. Because of my
computer dependent job, I generally wear glasses at work - looking at the
monitor all day dries out my eyes.
> I got a few sample bottles of cleaning solution from my optometrist and
had no trouble keeping my lenses clean. I carried a pair of glasses for
backup and nighttime sight.
>
> Because I feared damage to my lenses, I went with daily disposables. I
was hoping to get a couple days out of each pair. I think I went through 5
pairs the whole trip. I took them out every night and put them back in the
next morning. The fresh air and healthy living did more to keep my eyes
healthy than the sterility of business life ever could.
>
> I found that I could get by with 3 drops of cleaning solution in each
case, and use the solution from the case to moisten the lenses when putting
them back in.
>
> As for sunglasses, I used some raybans that someone left at my house years
ago, and they worked fine. - much better than clips over glasses.
>
> -Rev. Gizmo / Conor
>
> Mara Jeffress <mara@jeffress.net> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>
> I am fairly blind without contacts or glasses and I am wondering what
> others like me do on a long through-hike. I have done various combos
> on my many hikes of just wearing glasses, wearing extended wear
> disposable contact lenses for the entire time between resupplies (and
> changing them out at stops) or carrying contact lens solutions and
> taking them out every night (hard to keep hands clean). I am leaning
> towards just doing glasses since I have to carry them anyway as back up
> if I go the contact route.
>
> I was wondering what others do about this issue and if anyone has a
> recommendation for lightweight, durable glasses/sunglasses combos. I
> had a pair of Wiley field googles with changeable lenses, but not in
> prescription, which I am considering, because they were really light
> and easy to exchange as it turns dark.
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:05:29 -0700
> From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Flat Rate Priority Mail
> To: "David Clumpner" <davidclumpner@yahoo.com>,
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <410-2200543619529828@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Good Stuff
>
> That's what I'm using for most drop boxes. Prepaid is cool too, so my
> girlfriend almost a wife person doesn't have to wait in post office lines.
> Just pack up the $7.70 box and drop it off.
> Also, priority, if I hit town on a weekend and the post office is closed,
> in some places I can resupply in stores and move on. Later I can call the
> post office and they'll ship it anywhere I want for free.
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: David Clumpner <davidclumpner@yahoo.com>
> > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Date: 4/6/2005 9:49:39 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Flat Rate Priority Mail
> >
> > My Post Office clerk told me of a new change effective
> > last November that very few people know about yet. He
> > said those two different sized boxes (inside
> > dimensions: 11.875" x 3.375" x 13.625" AND 11" x 8.5"
> > x 5.5") that the Post Office provides free of charge
> > are now shipped for a flat rate of $7.70 anywhere in
> > the U.S. So they can weigh as much or as little as
> > you want, but it's the same price.
> >
> > Probably too small to use for a bounce box, but likely
> > a good idea for mail drops.
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:23:48 -0700
> From: "Jeff Moorehead" <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Beer of the day
> To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <013201c53ade$29cb0990$3502a8c0@LapDancer>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Can someone make sure and bring a sixer to the Kick Off for Switchback
> (preferably delivered well in advance of the bear can test).
>
> >"Full Sail Switchback Ale"
> > brewed in Hood River, Oregon. Described as
> > "pleasantly light and agile on the palate...".
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 12:34:11 -0700
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Subject: RE: [BULK] - [pct-l] PCT Beer of the day
> To: <pmags@yahoo.com>, "PCT MailingList" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> On topic (for beer), but slightly off topic (ok, about 270 miles
> off-topic...) for PCT:
>
> If any of you get a chance to visit Phoenix, BE SURE to visit "Four
> Peaks Brewery" in Tempe (about a mile east from ASU). They have an
> outstanding brew call "The Kiltlifter", as well as another called "8th
> Street Ale".
> I stumbled upon this lttle place Monday night and went back yesterday,
> it was that good!
>
> Four Peaks Brewery
> 8th Street
> Tempe, AZ
>
> Now if I can only get "8th Street Ale" in an oilcan....
>
>
> Michael Saenz, Associate Partner
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> A r c h i t e c t u r e | P l a n n i n g | I n t e r i o r s
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Paul
> Magnanti
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:47 AM
> To: PCT MailingList
> Subject: [BULK] - [pct-l] PCT Beer of the day
>
> Looked at my "Beer of the day calendar", just noticed April 5th
> (yesterday) is "Full Sail Switchback Ale"
> brewed in Hood River, Oregon. Described as "pleasantly light and agile
> on the palate...".
>
> Some PCTers choose to re-suppply in Hood River rather than Cascade
> Locks, so I'd say this brew qualifies as a PCT brew.
>
>
> Another brew to add to the PCT beer list. :)
>
>
>
> ************************************************************
> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught,
> a portion of the rainbow I have clutched --Thoreau
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:14:22 -0400 (EDT)
> From: kenandeb@sover.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Mentality
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> That night, around a small fire, we sat talking for hours trying to assess
our
> position and how much further we had to go. When the conversation flagged,
the
> extraordinary stillness and silence of the brooding mountains engulfed us.
>
> With the coming of morning the outlook was always more hopeful. Fear
remained a
> lurking thing, but movement and action and the exercise of the mind on the
> daily problems of existence pushed it into the background. We were now,
more
> strongly than ever, in the grip of the compulsive urge to keep moving. It
had
> become an obsession, a form of mania. Like automatons we set out each
morning,
> triggered off by a quiet "Let's go" from one or another of us. We just
went,
> walking the stiffness out of our joints and the chill of the dark hours
from
> our bodies.
>
> Actually from "The Long Walk" by Slavomir Rawicz
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:43:39 EDT
> From: Bighummel@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Mentality
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <30.6fffe14b.2f85a3fb@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> "That night, around a small fire, we sat talking for hours . . . " our
eyes
> mostly blinded by the light of the fire. Our minds collectively filtered
> backwards down the trail, all of the way to our first days. The question
was
> raised, "Hey, Greg, where did you camp the first night?" "Well, Yellow
Rose
> Spring, just north of I-80" I replied. "You?" He, Paul, answered the
same. And
> then a funny thing occured, we thought just for a moment to come up with
the
> second night's camp, and then the third and fourth and . . .
>
> We could actually remember the exact place that we had each camped at on
> every single night over the past 5 months, 2 weeks and 3 days. In a
moment we
> had hit upon this fact and realized the deep stirring implication; we had
never
> lived another such span of time in which we could have gone back thus and
> described in detail, just from memory, where we had gone and what we had
done on
> each and every single day.
>
> As the fire light flickered upward on that dark night, a tingle of fear
> creapt into my spiritually lifted thoughts, a fear of the unknown in the
dark of
> that northern forest, a fear of the grizzly who just might have smelled
our
> cooking and noticed our intrusion upon HIS territory.
>
> But then the fear subsided and the thought that I was truly feeling the
> complete and total experience of a free LIFE for the very first time came
back and
> filled me with excitement, confidence and peace of mind.
>
> Strider
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:18:14 -0700
> From: "David Spangler" <davidspangler@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] South Bound Role Call
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BAY101-F313A1FBC3CB8C15F7DD0FFA13D0@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> I just want to say I'm not nuts--May 1st was a hope and dream which was
> squashed with late season snow!! I thought, until three weeks ago, that
> heading South would be great but it seems we finally have had a little
snow
> in the Northwest--although way way below normal.
>
> We are thinking of a flip-flop depending on what the Sierra's want to do.
> Any thoughts on the Sierras? Or Flip Flops?
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:23:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] From an earlier pilgrimage
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20050406212328.28531.qmail@web52703.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Posted this little tidbit on another list. It was
> about what many of us feel this time of the year:
> Springer Fever. Originally the urge to go to Springer
> Mtn in Georgia; think it has gone beyond that for many
> of us. It is the urge to pack up a bag and go! Anyway,
> some of you may find it interesting:
>
>
> Spinger Fever starts transcending wanting to go to
> Springer. Its the urge to grab a pack and go. To
> explore, see what is over the horizon.
>
> As the weather warms in April and the flowers bloom,
> it seems an urge for many people. A guy named Jeff[1]
> wrote this about traveling in April:
>
> ******************************
> As soon as April pierces to the root
> The drought of March, and bathes each bud and shoot
> Through every vein of sap with gentle showers
> >From whose engendering liquor spring the flowers;
> ...
> When little birds are busy with their song
> Who sleep with open eyes the whole night long
> Life stirs their hearts and tingles in them so,
> Then people long on pilgrimage to go,
> And palmers set out for distant strands
> And foriegn shrines renowned in sundry lands.
> *********************
>
> An old sentiment. For those who've hiked a long trail
> the urge to go to Springer, Campo, Glacier, and other
> places of wilderness pilgrimages is strong this time
> of the year.
>
> I am house (and cat!) sitting in downtown Boulder for
> the next three weeks. As I do my walk to work every
> morning, I go along the tree lined streets. The birds
> are indeed singing, the trees are starting to blossom
> with purple flowers. The flowers beds people have
> planted are fragrant with the smell of Spring.
>
> As I look past the foothills, I catch a glimpse of the
> divide all covered with snow. I want to be there
> walking along them...
>
> Yep..Springer fever definitely transcends wanting to
> be
> at Springer. It is the urge to be somewhere and
> someplace. To again be walking a long trail.
>
> MAgs
>
> [1] you know..the english hack named G. Chaucer? :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ************************************************************
> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught, a
portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
> http://www.magnanti.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:55:20 -0700
> From: "Norma" <n.ruiz@verizon.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] to all my friends....!
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <004001c53b04$26d52ce0$0031183f@Ruiz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I am not ignoring you all, I can build a bridges,big buildings ,Dam, Air
ports,all kinds of buildings ,and an ace in concrete and construction,4
years ago I retired and picked up my first computer,man was I lost,and I
still am,so if you wrote me,and I did not answere you ,its becouse I did
something wrong,,, "theBulltaco"
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:44:41 EDT
> From: Trekker4@aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT hikers
> To: info@vermilionvalley.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <53.25120c25.2f85dc79@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> You are getting a lot of bad press on the PCT List right now, about staff
> and other practices in 2004 vs other years. Between that and having to
open
> late, maybe way late, you're going to have a very bad fiscal year.
> I don't know you, have never been there, but am beginning to change
my
> mind about stopping there for resupply. If I was you I'd get on the pct-l
> right now, and start giving us some response and answers. You can
subscribe at
> _http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l_
> (http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l)
>
> Bob "Trekker"
> Big Bend Desert Denizen
> (Naturalized Citizen, Republic of Texas)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 17:46:47 -0700
> From: "Deems" <losthiker@sisqtel.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Mentality
> To: "pct" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000301c53b0b$48b7eee0$88591fd0@S0029439031>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> "That night, around a small fire, we sat talking for hours . . . " our
eyes
> mostly blinded by the light of the fire. Our minds collectively filtered
> backwards down the trail, all of the way to our first days. The question
> was
> raised, "Hey, Greg, where did you camp the first night?" "Well, Yellow
Rose
> Spring, just north of I-80" I replied. "You?" He, Paul, answered the
> same. And
> then a funny thing occured, we thought just for a moment to come up with
the
> second night's camp, and then the third and fourth and . . .
>
> We could actually remember the exact place that we had each camped at on
> every single night over the past 5 months, 2 weeks and 3 days. In a
moment
> we
> had hit upon this fact and realized the deep stirring implication; we had
> never
> lived another such span of time in which we could have gone back thus and
> described in detail, just from memory, where we had gone and what we had
> done on
> each and every single day.
>
> As the fire light flickered upward on that dark night, a tingle of fear
> creapt into my spiritually lifted thoughts, a fear of the unknown in the
> dark of
> that northern forest, a fear of the grizzly who just might have smelled
our
> cooking and noticed our intrusion upon HIS territory.
>
> But then the fear subsided and the thought that I was truly feeling the
> complete and total experience of a free LIFE for the very first time came
> back and
> filled me with excitement, confidence and peace of mind.
>
> Strider
>
> Thanks Greg,
> It gave me chills, and I too know almost every campsite I've ever
> experienced.
> Sometimes during the day at work, I suddenly find my thoughts on the trail
> 25+ yrs
> ago or more, remembering an experience I've not felt in all that time. The
> wilderness
> carves very deep grooves in the cortex of memory, and for me, it is the
best
> times of
> my life. I'm hiking the Muir Trail this summer, and I will carry the
> experience and
> memories with me for the rest of my life. 'Can't wait!
> Deems
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:48:19 -0700
> From: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
> To: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <001a01c53b0b$7ee5de00$b5803c04@dslverizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi a few years ago my grandson, Jonathan and I were hiking the Dripping
> Springs trail and we hiked into the Pechanga burn area and it turned pitch
> black when the sun went down. We spent the night on top of the mountain
> above Dripping Springs camp ground, in the morning when we got up we
looked
> for the trail but it was grown over, we found it because there were orange
> tags in the trees marking the trail for about two miles. Now who marked
the
> trail, we don't know but it was marked. Just a thought on marking the
> trail. But Remember
> "Be Prepared" Ground Pounder Bill "Semper Fi"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> To: <maurer@earthlink.net>; <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:32 AM
> Subject: RE: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
>
>
> I'd check with the Ranger station in Idyllwild before tying any colored
> strips to trees...
> Personally, I'd rather you not do this. Blazes are already cut into the
> trees indicating where the trails are. And these already draw your eye
> while hiking. Colored strips would be sort of an unnatural intrusion.
> But that's just my personal opinion. The Rangers may have policy or
> regulation issues with it.
>
> On a side note: I just flew over San Jacinto Peak yesterday on my way
> back from Phoenix.
> There's snow on Fuller Ridge, but the level is rising...
> Same for Apache Peak, though Spitler Peak looked green. San Jac's snow
> coverage is still pretty solid, but the snow gets spotty around 7k.
> By the 1st half of May, when the herd gets to San Jac, the coverage may
> be down to just patches. It's been getting warmer each day since the
> last heavy rain.
>
> -Oilcan
>
>
>
> Michael Saenz, Associate Partner
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of
> maurer@earthlink.net
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:13 AM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
>
> Hi all,
>
> After Trail Fest this weekend and before the Kick Off on the 22nd I
> think I'm going to have time to try and cut a trail across Fuller Ridge.
>
> As a reminder, I was up at Saddle Jct about 3-4 weeks ago and mentioned
> I might be able to do this for the Thru Hikers. My plan is more of a
> work trip than a hike - I'll plot the PCT every 1/4 mile on my GPS, hike
> up to Strawberry jct out of Idyllwild and basically follow the GPS,
> trying my best to stay on the trail. my goal is to carry crampons, ice
> axe and snow shoes. I will hike to Black Mountain campground and turn
> around. On the way back I will wear snow shoes (if I haven't already!)
> to try and make the trail as visible as possible. I plan on doing this
> friday April 15. I may also take some strips of orange material to tie
> to trees and shrubs.
>
> I do have one philosophical question, though. I'm doing this so that I
> can be of service and help this years Thru Hiker pack get through the
> snow. It occurred to me though that maybe you Thru Hikers WANT the
> adventure and experience of breaking your own trail through Fuller
> Ridge, and that having someone lay it out for you might take away from
> the hiking experience as a whole. The last thing I want to accomplish
> here is to interfere with your adventure. If I end up cutting the trail
> I'd be happy to provide some sort of a summary at the Kick Off.
> Greg/Carl - perhaps you can tack me onto the end of Meadow Ed's water
> talk on Sat. afternoon? Otherwise, anyone can find me at the Gossamer
> booth all weekend. Either one works for me.
>
> Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. As a reminder, I get these
> messages as a digest, not individually, so my responses might be slow.
>
>
>
> Mike Maurer
> Gossamer Gear
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:52:21 -0400
> From: Elizabeth <betseylou@mac.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] cards?
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
>
> At risk of earning my trail name before I get to California, I need to
> know if anyone brought cards along on the PCT. I'm a born and bred card
> player (euchre, hasenpfeffer, pinochle, spades, hearts, bridge, etc.)
> and would love to play with fellow hikers. But if the cards are more
> likely to be dead weight I'll just leave them at home.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 17:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Shutterbug steiner <shutterbugg313@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] cards?
> To: pct <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20050407005744.87546.qmail@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I too LOVE to play cards (eucher, pnocle, canasta) but usually travel solo
so have left them behind. I plan on hiking after the ADZ to experience the
herd approach to hiking ... hoping I like that spontaneous community.
>
> Shutterbugg
>
> Elizabeth <betseylou@mac.com> wrote:
>
> At risk of earning my trail name before I get to California, I need to
> know if anyone brought cards along on the PCT. I'm a born and bred card
> player (euchre, hasenpfeffer, pinochle, spades, hearts, bridge, etc.)
> and would love to play with fellow hikers. But if the cards are more
> likely to be dead weight I'll just leave them at home.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elizabeth
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:09:39 -0700
> From: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000e01c53b0e$79331920$6401010a@TUSER>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I have a real problem with any kind of marker other than a PCT post.
Ribbons
> and ducks don't tell me where I am but only that someone else went that
way
> once. I've seen ribbons mark future re-routes and partially-built trails
> that dead end. I've seen ducks spread across acres of land marking
multiple
> parallel routes, and one ducked route ran me in a 20-minute circle back to
> where I started. Stomping out a trail through the snow sounds good, as
does
> blocking false trails with a branch.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:16:10 -0700
> From: "Randy Forsland" <randy_forsland@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] cards?
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV11DEFA7B212A235C0F4B6BFF3E0@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> They would make a great bounce box item. There are a lot of card playing
> opportunities while waiting for your laundry to finish...
>
> Not sure if you would find them very useful on the trail though...
>
> Redwood
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth" <betseylou@mac.com>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:52 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] cards?
>
>
> >
> > At risk of earning my trail name before I get to California, I need to
> > know if anyone brought cards along on the PCT. I'm a born and bred card
> > player (euchre, hasenpfeffer, pinochle, spades, hearts, bridge, etc.)
and
> > would love to play with fellow hikers. But if the cards are more likely
to
> > be dead weight I'll just leave them at home.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:20:23 -0700
> From: "Bill & Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Big Bear
> To: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <007c01c53b0f$f9e96d20$b5803c04@dslverizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> BlankHi Bill What's the trail like from Hwy 18 to Little Bear Springs
or Crab Flats? That's if you know, hoping you do. I want to do that section
in May, hoping to run into some of the thrus. Doing weekends I need to get
to the I-15. Some time between June and September I want to take a couple of
weeks and get as far as I can heading North. Next year I plan to take a
longer trip and go from KM to Yosemite with the climb up Mt. Whitney. This
is what My plans are any how. This is all depending on my time off, I'd like
to do the Border to KM if I could. Remember "Be Prepared" Ground Pounder
Bill "Semper Fi"
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:43:02 -0700
> From: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
> Subject: [pct-l] RE: Big Bear
> To: "'Bill & Cathy'" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>, "'AsABat'"
> <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <001301c53b13$22ae1aa0$6401010a@TUSER>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Well, the views are gorgeous, but there was a lot of snow about a month
ago
> between Hwy 18 and Little Bear Springs. Go to
> http://www.4jeffrey.net/hike/pct and click on Latest Hike for pictures.
>
>
>
> AsABat
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> What's the trail like from Hwy 18 to Little Bear Springs or Crab Flats?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:50:59 -0700
> From: "Don Line" <DON@roel.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Section C
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <s2542fb3.063@mail.roel.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I am planning on hiking most or all of section C (ending at McDonalds)
> about May 9 (or sometime right after Mothers Day)
> anybody interested ? I'd like to do about 20 miles per day.
>
> Diabetic Don
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:20:36 -0600
> From: "Jeffrey J. Olson" <jjolson@uwyo.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Mentality
> Cc: pct <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <425498F4.9080604@uwyo.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> To be able to settle down into a comfortable enough space for long
> enough to move from one campsite to the next, for five months, one day
> to the next in clear memory - this is almost as awesome as hiking for
> five months. To remember and cherish each moment as it unfolds itself ,
> the moment dominating, to remember...
>
> What is it about a long hike, thru or section, that lends itself to the
> depth of remembering that Greg or Deems experienced?
>
> I hope that other list members caught the depth that appeared in this
> thread. This is about making a full life. I would venture that most of
> us are in awe of the possibility of remembering five months of days. I
> took what I read today and framed my day to day life within it. I
> couldn't reconcile remembering five months with my last five months.
> Not at the level of detail suggested by Greg and Deems is possible.
>
> I simply wasn't present within my own life.
>
> Every one that reads this in some degree feels what I mean. One of the
> great unsung realities living presents is the ease we are offered to be
> blind and dull. I spend many of my days blind and dull. I spend many
> of the moments in my days blind and dull.
> How do we build a life in which every day is unique enough to remember?
>
> I'm in awe...
>
> I don't know how to do this. Or better, when I'm faced with this
> possibility, such as t his thread has done, I'm challenged.
> At 52years old I can learn from a 20 year old. There are no rules...
>
> Jeff....
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Glen Hubbell <glenhubbell@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Mentality
> To: kenandeb@sover.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20050407030701.51405.qmail@web50706.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> The experience of two PCT thru hikes, a calendar year
> of hitchhiking around North America and many thousands
> of miles of freight train hopping have taught me that
> the sense of wonder and awe that grow within long
> distance hikers / travelers comes from the simple fact
> that society is no longer forcing us to react to its
> contradiction filled agenda.
>
> After a month or two on the PCT (or any wilderness
> trail), your motivations and values will come from
> within you rather than be determined by society's
> needs, and you will act directly upon your world
> without waiting for permission from the authorities.
>
> I think this is why thru-hikers are distinctively
> different from all other hikers.
>
> I hope that by pointing this out it will help more
> hikers reach that point of self ownership sooner and
> will help them retain a greater share of self
> ownership after the hike is over.
>
> Chance
> Hike Your Own Hike!
>
> --- kenandeb@sover.net wrote:
> > That night, around a small fire, we sat talking for
> > hours trying to assess our
> > position and how much further we had to go. When the
> > conversation flagged, the
> > extraordinary stillness and silence of the brooding
> > mountains engulfed us.
> >
> > With the coming of morning the outlook was always
> > more hopeful. Fear remained a
> > lurking thing, but movement and action and the
> > exercise of the mind on the
> > daily problems of existence pushed it into the
> > background. We were now, more
> > strongly than ever, in the grip of the compulsive
> > urge to keep moving. It had
> > become an obsession, a form of mania. Like
> > automatons we set out each morning,
> > triggered off by a quiet "Let's go" from one or
> > another of us. We just went,
> > walking the stiffness out of our joints and the
> > chill of the dark hours from
> > our bodies.
> >
> > Actually from "The Long Walk" by Slavomir Rawicz
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:36:19 EDT
> From: Slyatpct@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] cards?
> To: betseylou@mac.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> In a message dated 4/6/2005 10:55:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> betseylou@mac.com writes:
>
> > I'm a born and bred card
> > player (euchre, hasenpfeffer, pinochle, spades, hearts, bridge, etc.)
> >
>
> Strip gear poker? Or how I got to Canada with only my top and shorts!
; )
>
> .
>
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:37:43 -0700
> From: Marion Davison <mardav@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Echo Lake Resort to Belden CA
> To: "Jeffrey J. Olson" <jjolson@uwyo.edu>, PCT List
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Jeffrey J. Olson wrote:
>
> > On a section hike my girlfriend and I bypassed Dicks Pass walking up a
> > pass north of Lake Aloha and then down along the Rubicon River. That
> > was a beautiful hike...
> >
> > Judson Brown wrote:
> >
> >> Hope your dog likes snow. When I went there in early July last year,
> >> there
> >> was still some on Dicks Pass. Just somethin' to consider...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> >> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of
> >> AV8TORX@aol.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:46 PM
> >> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> >> Subject: [pct-l] Echo Lake Resort to Belden CA
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi, My girlfriend and I are planning on hiking from Echo Lake Resort
to
> >> Belden CA starting on June 12th and finishing around June 25th or
> >> 26th. We
> >> are
> >> hiking with our dog this year and want to leave our vehicle at Echo
> >> Lake and
> >> then try to get some sort of transportation back to to Echo Lake to
> >> pickup
> >> our
> >> vehicle. We are wondering if it would be safe to leave our vehicle
> >> at Echo
> >> Lake
> >> for a few weeks . Also if there would possibly be any trail angels
> >> etc in or
> >> around Belden CA that we could contact regarding a ride or transport
> >> to a
> >> bus
> >> or rental car to get our vehicle in Echo Lake. Any suggestions or
ideas
> >> would
> >> be greatly appreciated. Dave and Nikki
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> That's Mosquito Pass. That whole trail north of Aloha is gorgeous. We
> did an 80 mile loop thru there. Off the PCT the Desolation Wilderness
> is mostly empty of people and truly beautiful.
> llamalady
>
>
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> Message: 30
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:42:13 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: dsaufley@sprynet.com
> Subject: Re: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
> To: Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>, Mike Saenz
> <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> The trail is used for a multitude of running and equestrian events, and is
often marked for these purposes. Sometimes, if you're lucky, they've put
out water, too! Just north of here, every year around Memorial Day, there
is an equine endurance event that marks the way and puts out lots of water.
The ETI corral that hosts the event has been great about letting us know
when the event will take place, so hikers have a choice of whether they want
to share the trail with 20-30 fast moving horses, or not.
>
> -=Donna Saufley=-
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill & Cathy <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
> Sent: Apr 6, 2005 5:48 PM
> To: Mike Saenz <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
>
> Hi a few years ago my grandson, Jonathan and I were hiking the Dripping
> Springs trail and we hiked into the Pechanga burn area and it turned pitch
> black when the sun went down. We spent the night on top of the mountain
> above Dripping Springs camp ground, in the morning when we got up we
looked
> for the trail but it was grown over, we found it because there were orange
> tags in the trees marking the trail for about two miles. Now who marked
the
> trail, we don't know but it was marked. Just a thought on marking the
> trail. But Remember
> "Be Prepared" Ground Pounder Bill "Semper Fi"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> To: <maurer@earthlink.net>; <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:32 AM
> Subject: RE: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
>
>
> I'd check with the Ranger station in Idyllwild before tying any colored
> strips to trees...
> Personally, I'd rather you not do this. Blazes are already cut into the
> trees indicating where the trails are. And these already draw your eye
> while hiking. Colored strips would be sort of an unnatural intrusion.
> But that's just my personal opinion. The Rangers may have policy or
> regulation issues with it.
>
> On a side note: I just flew over San Jacinto Peak yesterday on my way
> back from Phoenix.
> There's snow on Fuller Ridge, but the level is rising...
> Same for Apache Peak, though Spitler Peak looked green. San Jac's snow
> coverage is still pretty solid, but the snow gets spotty around 7k.
> By the 1st half of May, when the herd gets to San Jac, the coverage may
> be down to just patches. It's been getting warmer each day since the
> last heavy rain.
>
> -Oilcan
>
>
>
> Michael Saenz, Associate Partner
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of
> maurer@earthlink.net
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:13 AM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
>
> Hi all,
>
> After Trail Fest this weekend and before the Kick Off on the 22nd I
> think I'm going to have time to try and cut a trail across Fuller Ridge.
>
> As a reminder, I was up at Saddle Jct about 3-4 weeks ago and mentioned
> I might be able to do this for the Thru Hikers. My plan is more of a
> work trip than a hike - I'll plot the PCT every 1/4 mile on my GPS, hike
> up to Strawberry jct out of Idyllwild and basically follow the GPS,
> trying my best to stay on the trail. my goal is to carry crampons, ice
> axe and snow shoes. I will hike to Black Mountain campground and turn
> around. On the way back I will wear snow shoes (if I haven't already!)
> to try and make the trail as visible as possible. I plan on doing this
> friday April 15. I may also take some strips of orange material to tie
> to trees and shrubs.
>
> I do have one philosophical question, though. I'm doing this so that I
> can be of service and help this years Thru Hiker pack get through the
> snow. It occurred to me though that maybe you Thru Hikers WANT the
> adventure and experience of breaking your own trail through Fuller
> Ridge, and that having someone lay it out for you might take away from
> the hiking experience as a whole. The last thing I want to accomplish
> here is to interfere with your adventure. If I end up cutting the trail
> I'd be happy to provide some sort of a summary at the Kick Off.
> Greg/Carl - perhaps you can tack me onto the end of Meadow Ed's water
> talk on Sat. afternoon? Otherwise, anyone can find me at the Gossamer
> booth all weekend. Either one works for me.
>
> Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. As a reminder, I get these
> messages as a digest, not individually, so my responses might be slow.
>
>
>
> Mike Maurer
> Gossamer Gear
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> Message: 31
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:51:28 -0700
> From: "stillroaming" <PCT@DelNorteResort.Com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT hikers
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> I am horrified to think that the following post was sent as an email to
the good
> folks at VVR, noting that this idiot enlisted the list, en masse, in a
feeble attempt
> to add weight to his pathetic tirade.
>
> If anyone from VVR happens to be reading this, please consider this
> statement does not reflect everyone's opinion.
>
> > You are getting a lot of bad press on the PCT List right now, about
staff
> > and other practices in 2004 vs other years. Between that and having to
open
> > late, maybe way late, you're going to have a very bad fiscal year.
> > I don't know you, have never been there, but am beginning to change
my
> > mind about stopping there for resupply. If I was you I'd get on the
pct-l
> > right now, and start giving us some response and answers. You can
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> Message: 32
> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:58:11 -0700
> From: Marion Davison <mardav@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [BULK] - [pct-l] Cutting a Fuller Ridge trail
> To: dsaufley@sprynet.com, PCT List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> dsaufley@sprynet.com wrote:
>
> >The trail is used for a multitude of running and equestrian events, and
is often marked for these purposes. Sometimes, if you're lucky, they've put
out water, too!
> >
> I had an enjoyable time a couple years ago during a training hike in
> Section D between Three points and Islip Saddle. We shared the trail
> with a 100 mile endurance running race. They had marked the trail with
> flour, and were traveling west, so we got to meet every runner in the
> race as we traveled east. Most of them had a big facial reaction to a
> string of five llamas which was a hoot for us.
> llamalady
>
>
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> Message: 33
> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 00:08:08 EDT
> From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] cards?
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Hassenpfeffer? a stew of marinated rabbit meat usually garnished with
sour
> cream? Similar to road kill roulette? Har!
>
> "No Way" Ray Echols
>
>
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