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- Subject: [pct-l] PCT for PETS
- From: scottie.wujcik at hp.com (WUJCIK,SCOTTIE (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
- Date: Thu Jan 15 09:00:38 2004
J.D., DON'T DO IT!!! Twenty some years ago while out on a backpacking trip
in the Cascades, I happened upon another backpacker with his dog at the
parking lot trail head. His big black lab was the most friendly, happiest
dog I'd ever met. Very well behaved and trained. We were headed for the
same destination, we were just taking different trails to get there. After
we separated I figured we'd meet at the location we both had planned to hike
to. When they didn't show up I hiked back on the trail he was supposed to
come up on. I found him several miles back on the trial. I found him only
because I heard him crying. His well trained lab had taken off after a
rabbit. The rabbit ran into a bush, the dog went over the bush, and fell
about 20 feet to the rocky bottom of a small depression. The dog could not
move it's tail or paws. He was bleeding from his nose, ears and mouth. All
he could do was lay there and whimper. The moment we touched him he winced
in pain. All this guy could do was stand there and cry. I mentioned to him
what he had to do. His reply was "I can't, I just can't do that to him!"
He looked at me and said "You do it." I said "it's not my dog!" He just
sat down and cried some more. I went over to the dog and ended his pain.
Then I buried the dog, hiked back to my camp area, packed up my gear and
hiked out in the dark. Domesticated dogs do not belong out on the trail. I
don't care how responsibly "you" manage your dog, most people who take their
pets out on the trail DON'T! And save me the BS of "it won't happen to my
dog."
Scottie
3lungs
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: stove (Ken Marlow)
2. RE: PCT for Pets (JD Schaefer)
3. Re: Can you do it in 4? (Brian Robinson)
4. Re: PCT for Pets (Marshall Karon)
5. Can you do it in 4 ? (Philip James Byrnes-Preston)
6. message for Ceanothus (Philip James Byrnes-Preston)
7. RE: How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush] (Teflon)
8. Re: How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush] (Jeffrey Olson)
9. Re: How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush] (Teflon)
10. Re: How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush] (Jeffrey Olson)
11. Re: How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush] (Teflon)
12. RE: How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
(cmkudija@earthlink.net)
13. Granite Mountain erosion (Dana Law)
14. RE: How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush] (Teflon)
15. Re: PCT for Pets (ECPG)
16. RE: How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
(cmkudija@earthlink.net)
17. Whatever happened to-- (CMountainDave@aol.com)
18. hardest climb update (Judson Brown)
19. belden (Judson Brown)
20. Re: Whatever happened to-- (Marshall Karon)
21. Stoves for the PCT , And fuel (MONTE ANN DODGE)
22. Re: belden (Bob Bankhead)
23. RE: RE: freeze dried butter or sour cream (Jerry Goller)
24. Re: Stoves for the PCT , And fuel (CMountainDave@aol.com)
25. RE: belden (Kent Ryhorchuk)
26. Re: belden (Marshall Karon)
27. Re: Stoves for the PCT , And fuel (Andrew Priest)
28. RE: Stoves for the PCT , And fuel (Jerry Goller)
29. Re: belden (Ken Powers)
30. White Gas/ and Stove Question. (The Mountain Goat)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:28:38 -0800
From: Ken Marlow <kenmarlow@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] stove
To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Two more good homemade/alcohol stove links:
http://www.kzpg.com/Backpacking/Stove/Stoves.html
http://hikinghq.net/stoves/stove_compare.html
-Ken M.
On 1/14/04 4:01 PM, "Judith Rush" <crush@ptd.net> wrote:
> Where can I find directions to make an alcohol stove ?
>
> Josh
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:24:31 -0800
From: "JD Schaefer" <jdrows@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] PCT for Pets
To: "J. Bradley Materick" <jbmaterick@stanfordalumni.org>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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JB
You may very well be successful bringing your dog all the way because you've
put so much energy into finding solutions. However that, in my mind,
exacerbates a bad decision on your part.
While I support your charity (off-trail), if people see your success
(assumption on my part), it will encourage the less well-planned to bring
bowser along. Such individuals could very well cause extreme discomfort if
not permanent damage to their dog (to say nothing of scaring wildlife who
have a greater right to be in the wilderness than any domestic dog).
If you do end up being the exception to the rule, you're telling others it's
a good idea. It isn't.
Good luck on a hike in which I hope all your social interaction is only with
humans, JD Schaefer
-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of J. Bradley
Materick
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:37 AM
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] PCT for Pets
Greetings once again,
www.pctforpets.org
I want to thank you all for your questions and concerns about my plans to
hike the PCT with my dog, Banner, as a way to raise awareness and donations
to benefit animal shelters. I would love to reply to each individual
concern that was raised to me, both publicly and privately, but this would
require an email many pages in length that I do not have the luxury of time
to write. I can only say that I love my dog very much, that I have already
spent several months seriously considering all of the concerns that were
raised, and that I believe there are creative solutions to these issues
which will allow Banner and I to travel the PCT safely and with relative
comfort. If you would like to send me a personal email with specific
questions, I will try to respond to them, unless my inbox gets flooded, in
which case I might not be able to.
The general question of whether or not dogs belong in the wilderness is a
different subject altogether. My personal opinion is that dogs (responsibly
managed by their owners) do belong in the wilderness, at least as much as we
humans do. I completely respect the opinions of those who believe
differently than me, which is why I do try so hard to minimize my dog's
social and environmental impacts in the wilderness, but I think it would be
futile to engage in a debate on this question since we all have our own
positions on this, strongly held...
In any case, there seems to be no objection from list members or
administration to posting the URL for my PCT for Pets website. If you find
the idea of our adventure intriguing (be it in a positive way or a diturbing
way), perhaps you will consider exploring this site:
www.pctforpets.org
Thanks once again for your concerns and opinions,
J. Bradley
--------------------------------
J. Bradley Materick
jbmaterick@stanfordalumni.org
Field Naturalist Program
Department of Botany
120 Marsh Life Science Building
University of Vermont
Burlington, VT 05405
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:40:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Robinson <brian.robinson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Can you do it in 4?
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>Talk to flyin Brian! Will you train like he did? Will you have good
>weather?
Many good points have been posted already.
One critical factor is Sierra snow. If you want to get done in August,
you'll have to be really fast or hike in considerable snow in early June.
Can you handle that?
The main point is do you really want to do it? You have to hike 25+ miles
most days so that your average is 21 with resupply stops. Those who like to
do this will probably do it even if they have 6 months to hike. That's why I
choose to go farther; there's still summer left when I get to Manning and
I'm having too much fun to go home.
Flyin' Brian
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:45:30 -0800
From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT for Pets
To: "J. Bradley Materick" <jbmaterick@stanfordalumni.org>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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I believe the PCT is no place to bring awareness for pets and pet shelters.
This is a hiking trail and a horse trail. This should be a quest for you as
a human to view the incredible nature and to challenge your body and mind.
Quite honestly, I am appalled at your intent. Hiking the trail with your dog
may be OK (although I think it could border on cruelty to animals unless
your pet is very well trained and accustomed to trails). To me, your intent
is a turn off.
And, I love dogs, have a dog, hike with a dog, etc. For me, hiking with my
dog enhances my experience - but I would never expect him to do the trail. I
guess I think the trail is a personal experience - I believe that any
commercialism detracts from the experience.
Just my opinion.
Marshall Karon
Portland, OR
m.karon@comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "JD Schaefer" <jdrows@comcast.net>
To: "J. Bradley Materick" <jbmaterick@stanfordalumni.org>;
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [pct-l] PCT for Pets
> JB
> You may very well be successful bringing your dog all the way because
you've
> put so much energy into finding solutions. However that, in my mind,
> exacerbates a bad decision on your part.
>
> While I support your charity (off-trail), if people see your success
> (assumption on my part), it will encourage the less well-planned to
> bring bowser along. Such individuals could very well cause extreme
> discomfort
if
> not permanent damage to their dog (to say nothing of scaring wildlife
> who have a greater right to be in the wilderness than any domestic
> dog).
>
> If you do end up being the exception to the rule, you're telling
> others
it's
> a good idea. It isn't.
>
> Good luck on a hike in which I hope all your social interaction is
> only
with
> humans,
> JD Schaefer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of J. Bradley
> Materick
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:37 AM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT for Pets
>
>
> Greetings once again,
>
> www.pctforpets.org
>
> I want to thank you all for your questions and concerns about my plans
> to hike the PCT with my dog, Banner, as a way to raise awareness and
donations
> to benefit animal shelters. I would love to reply to each individual
> concern that was raised to me, both publicly and privately, but this
> would require an email many pages in length that I do not have the
> luxury of
time
> to write. I can only say that I love my dog very much, that I have
already
> spent several months seriously considering all of the concerns that
> were raised, and that I believe there are creative solutions to these
> issues which will allow Banner and I to travel the PCT safely and with
> relative comfort. If you would like to send me a personal email with
> specific questions, I will try to respond to them, unless my inbox
> gets flooded, in which case I might not be able to.
>
> The general question of whether or not dogs belong in the wilderness
> is a different subject altogether. My personal opinion is that dogs
(responsibly
> managed by their owners) do belong in the wilderness, at least as much
> as
we
> humans do. I completely respect the opinions of those who believe
> differently than me, which is why I do try so hard to minimize my
> dog's social and environmental impacts in the wilderness, but I think
> it would
be
> futile to engage in a debate on this question since we all have our
> own positions on this, strongly held...
>
> In any case, there seems to be no objection from list members or
> administration to posting the URL for my PCT for Pets website. If you
find
> the idea of our adventure intriguing (be it in a positive way or a
diturbing
> way), perhaps you will consider exploring this site:
>
> www.pctforpets.org
>
> Thanks once again for your concerns and opinions,
> J. Bradley
>
> --------------------------------
> J. Bradley Materick
> jbmaterick@stanfordalumni.org
>
> Field Naturalist Program
> Department of Botany
> 120 Marsh Life Science Building
> University of Vermont
> Burlington, VT 05405
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:05:41 +1100
From: philp@cse.unsw.edu.au (Philip James Byrnes-Preston)
Subject: [pct-l] Can you do it in 4 ?
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20040114230541.GA17675@cse.unsw.edu.au>
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Hi
Since Ceanothus has given my guilty conscious a prick, I'd though I'd add my
own experience of 'doing it in 4'.
I took exactly 4 months in 2002. I claim that I had a deadline of having to
return to Australia but probably admit to pushing too far and too fast
partly due to male ego, partly due to fear of middle age, partly due to
great good fortune.
With the help of another hiker I was able to get through the snowy Sierras
early in 2002 . And then I was too, too alone. This put me about 2 weeks
ahead of the main bunch and all the people I had known before the Sierras I
almost never saw again. This was a big loss. I came to regret it later as
I hiked alone through much of northern California
(I remember the 1st of June. I had not seen anyone for two days. Looking
down from the top of Forester Pass into trackless snow and wilderness as a
storm threatened me, thinking "Australia is a desert country, what the heck
have I got myself into ??")
Going fast and getting ahead of the bunch can be good, and suits many people
due to time constraints of time, personal drive, or just plain cussedness.
But hiking on and off with friends is so, so much better. I enjoyed my hike
much more from mid-Oregon on when I actually started hiking frequently with
people - much more pleasurable.
If I had my druthers, and was time pressed, I'd take it slower and spend
more time smelling the flowers, hunting for huckleberrys, whistling at
marmots, chasing trout, laughing with friends. 4 months of slower travel
would see less distance and more pleasure
Was it ChuckieV who said "first one to Canada loses" ?
But I have to go - I should not be dreaming of other places when I'm
supposed to be working (behind a desk, in a big city).
cheers
phil
--
Phil Preston,
Donk, Class of 2002
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:14:34 +1100
From: philp@cse.unsw.edu.au (Philip James Byrnes-Preston)
Subject: [pct-l] message for Ceanothus
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20040114231434.GA21504@cse.unsw.edu.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sorry to spam the rest of you, but Ceanothus's spam filter has probably
blocked my personal message to her
Christine,
I sent you a personal email, but your spam filter has blocked me
- I don't use email that allows me to sensibly "click to acknowledge"
so I suspect my mail is still in your spam systems kill file
have a look and if it's missing I'll send again
cheers
phil
--
Phil Preston,
Donk, Class of 2002
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:50:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Teflon <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
To: judsonb@internetcds.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20040114235038.47564.qmail@web60309.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
--- Judson Brown <judsonb@internetcds.com> wrote:
> Were you buying bagels as you went, or getting ones w/ lots of
> preservative
> in your supply boxes. In my experience, bagels go bad w/ remarkable
> speed...
>
> Also, tell me more about your Power Mush...
>
> Judson
> Ashland
>
I bought bagels along the way. Here's the story on PowerMush ...
PowerMush was my own specially created dehydrated food I on used on
my 2003 thru-hike. I originally developed PowerMush because I was
very disappointed in the selection of vegetarian food options
available in the dehydrated / freeze-dried food space. I was also
concerned with the minimal amount of calories, nutritional value, and
overall cost of buying pre-packed foods.
By creating PowerMush, I was able carefully monitor calorie,
carbohydrate, protein, and fat content in each meal. By controlling
these variables, I was able to create meals that delivered WAY WAY
WAY more energy than anything else I have ever eaten on trail. In
addition, controlling these variables allowed me to create meals that
produced a very even flow of time-released energy. Thus avoiding the
spike and crash of many "off-the-shelf" options.
By creating PowerMush, I was also able to significantly increase the
variety of meals I was going to be able to eat along the trail. I
would come to thank myself later for putting the extra effort in
advance food preparation. Especially after encountering town after
town with nothing but a convenience store to resupply at.
Rather than ramble on about the benefits, I'll just list of a few
specs of what I was able to accomplish:
For a serving size of 1 cup (dry)
* Average calorie content = 800 to 1200 calories
* Average weight = 4 to 5 ounces
* Average cost = $1.00
That some pretty cheap high calorie, low volume food if you think
about it. Take into account that I used mostly organic veggies,
spices, rice and pasta, and the cost factor becomes even more
impressive.
Ok, but what about the on-trail performance? That turned out really
well too. In addition to the high calorie / low volume / great taste
benefits, it was also quick and easy to prepare. All you had to do
was throw it in a pot with 2 cups of water (per 1 cup dry PowerMush),
bring it up to a boil, let it simmer (or just boil if you're using an
alcohol stove) for 5 minutes, let it sit for another 5 minutes, and
then eat. If I remember right, one hiker actually made it without
ever using a stove and it still came out ok. (just cold)
Here's how you can make PowerMush for yourself.
1. Prepare a regular "one-pot" meal as you normally would (boosting
carbs, protein and fat as needed)
2. Throw it in a food processor and grind until relatively smooth
3. Take the mush and spread evenly on dehydrator trays and dehydrate
4. After dehydrating, throw the crispy stuff back in the food
processor and grind into a rough "food powder"
5. Package individual servings in vacuum-sealed bags.
That's it. Sounds pretty easy huh? It was ... however, it does take
some time. I think it took about 12 weeks to make enough lunches
and dinners for 2 people to eat EVERY day for 6 months. This was WAY
more food than what I needed to make. We ended up giving a lot of it
to other hikers at each of our resupply points. (and it was snatched
up quickly)
When I get ready for my next thru-hike, I plan on only making enough
PowerMush for one meal a day. This is because I figured out I really
didn't always feel like stopping to cook in the middle of the day.
Plus, only having to make dinners would get the time required down to
less than 3 weeks per person. (using a single 9 tray dehydrator)
Hope that helps
-Teflon
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:59:07 -0700
From: "Jeffrey Olson" <jjolson@uwyo.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c3dafa$66390d40$e6334881@uwyo.edu>
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I wonder if you could be more specific about the food you threw into the
food processor. 200 calories an ounce goes to the "cashew" level of
density. Veges and grains tend to be 60 to 120 calories an ounce.
Thanks for being concrete!!!
Jeff Olson
Laramie WY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Teflon" <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>
To: <judsonb@internetcds.com>; <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
> >
> For a serving size of 1 cup (dry)
> * Average calorie content = 800 to 1200 calories
> * Average weight = 4 to 5 ounces
> * Average cost = $1.00
> >
> Here's how you can make PowerMush for yourself.
>
> 1. Prepare a regular "one-pot" meal as you normally would (boosting
> carbs, protein and fat as needed)
>
> 2. Throw it in a food processor and grind until relatively smooth
>
> 3. Take the mush and spread evenly on dehydrator trays and dehydrate
>
> 4. After dehydrating, throw the crispy stuff back in the food
> processor and grind into a rough "food powder"
>
> 5. Package individual servings in vacuum-sealed bags.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:26:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Teflon <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
To: Jeffrey Olson <jjolson@uwyo.edu>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <20040115002601.69623.qmail@web60302.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
For this approach, don't think in terms of throwing individual food
items into a food processor. Think in terms of throwing an entire
pan of lasagna into a food processor.
You are correct, veggies and grains aren't super high in calories.
Most of the calories will come from fats ... cheeses, oils, nuts,
etc. You will usually need to add more of this stuff to any recipe
you make in order to boost the calorie content.
Using this approach, when you finish dehydrating and regrinding, you
notice that you'll have a slightly to very oily "powder" remaining.
(powder is probably not the best choice of words here) most of the
weight of this substance comes from the oil that remains after
dehydrating. The ground-up, dehydrated veggies weigh almost nothing
-Teflon
--- Jeffrey Olson <jjolson@uwyo.edu> wrote:
> I wonder if you could be more specific about the food you threw
> into the
> food processor. 200 calories an ounce goes to the "cashew" level
> of
> density. Veges and grains tend to be 60 to 120 calories an ounce.
>
> Thanks for being concrete!!!
>
> Jeff Olson
> Laramie WY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Teflon" <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>
> To: <judsonb@internetcds.com>; <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
>
>
> > >
> > For a serving size of 1 cup (dry)
> > * Average calorie content = 800 to 1200 calories
> > * Average weight = 4 to 5 ounces
> > * Average cost = $1.00
> > >
> > Here's how you can make PowerMush for yourself.
> >
> > 1. Prepare a regular "one-pot" meal as you normally would
> (boosting
> > carbs, protein and fat as needed)
> >
> > 2. Throw it in a food processor and grind until relatively smooth
> >
> > 3. Take the mush and spread evenly on dehydrator trays and
> dehydrate
> >
> > 4. After dehydrating, throw the crispy stuff back in the food
> > processor and grind into a rough "food powder"
> >
> > 5. Package individual servings in vacuum-sealed bags.
> >
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:33:28 -0700
From: "Jeffrey Olson" <jjolson@uwyo.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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I like your perspective. However, a lasagne has a recipe, and I guess, this
is what I was asking for. For example, I combine instant rice, Kraft
parmesian, dehydrated split pea, black bean, or curried lentil soup, with
dehydrated butter, veges, etc. My 12 ounce meals are about 1400 calories
because I don't have much of the high calorie stuff in it. But boy, when
you change the rice to potatoes, or cous cous, or pasta, and add some soy
baco bits, and other flavor enhancers, I never eat the same meal twice.
So kind sir, do you have a recipe? Make one up!
Jeff
Laramie WY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Teflon" <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>
To: "Jeffrey Olson" <jjolson@uwyo.edu>; <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
>
> For this approach, don't think in terms of throwing individual food
> items into a food processor. Think in terms of throwing an entire
> pan of lasagna into a food processor.
>
> You are correct, veggies and grains aren't super high in calories.
> Most of the calories will come from fats ... cheeses, oils, nuts,
> etc. You will usually need to add more of this stuff to any recipe
> you make in order to boost the calorie content.
>
> Using this approach, when you finish dehydrating and regrinding, you
> notice that you'll have a slightly to very oily "powder" remaining.
> (powder is probably not the best choice of words here) most of the
> weight of this substance comes from the oil that remains after
> dehydrating. The ground-up, dehydrated veggies weigh almost nothing
>
> -Teflon
>
>
>
>
> --- Jeffrey Olson <jjolson@uwyo.edu> wrote:
> > I wonder if you could be more specific about the food you threw
> > into the
> > food processor. 200 calories an ounce goes to the "cashew" level
> > of
> > density. Veges and grains tend to be 60 to 120 calories an ounce.
> >
> > Thanks for being concrete!!!
> >
> > Jeff Olson
> > Laramie WY
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Teflon" <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>
> > To: <judsonb@internetcds.com>; <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:50 PM
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > For a serving size of 1 cup (dry)
> > > * Average calorie content = 800 to 1200 calories
> > > * Average weight = 4 to 5 ounces
> > > * Average cost = $1.00
> > > >
> > > Here's how you can make PowerMush for yourself.
> > >
> > > 1. Prepare a regular "one-pot" meal as you normally would
> > (boosting
> > > carbs, protein and fat as needed)
> > >
> > > 2. Throw it in a food processor and grind until relatively smooth
> > >
> > > 3. Take the mush and spread evenly on dehydrator trays and
> > dehydrate
> > >
> > > 4. After dehydrating, throw the crispy stuff back in the food
> > > processor and grind into a rough "food powder"
> > >
> > > 5. Package individual servings in vacuum-sealed bags.
> > >
> >
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:04:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Teflon <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
To: Jeffrey Olson <jjolson@uwyo.edu>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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I have lot's of recipes. Here's the kind of stuff I made:
Garlicky Spaghetti
Linguine with Pesto Sauce
Linguine with BBQ "Fake Meat" Meatballs
Walnut and Olive Pasta
Fruit and Coconut Rice
Macaroni, Cheese and Tomato
Rice with Fruit and Nuts
Lentil and Vegatable Biryani
Potato Lentil Bake
Mexican Stew with Rice
Spinach with Mixed Rice
Kale with Mixed Rice
Kidney Bean Risotto
Midweek Medley
Black Eyed Peas
Deep South Beans and Rice
Pasta and Chili Tomatoes
Eggplant and Artichoke Pasta
Creamy Sage Pasta
BBQ Tofu with Pasta
Spinach and Nut Pasta
Black Eyed Peas with Brown Basmati
Muttar Paneer
Indian Potatoes and Peas
Mexican Corn Chili Pie
Tofu Enchiladas
Spinach and Cheese Curry
Pinto Bean Stew
Green Herbed Rice
Garbanzo Bean Hotpot
Paglia e Fieno
Penne with Walnut Sauce
Mexican Beans and Rice
Spicy Veg Curry
Potato and Cauliflower Curry
Cabbage and Walnut Stir-fry
Non-Goat Cheese Potatoes
Roasted Poblano Peppers
Sweet Potato Salad
Mixed Veg Balti
Green Easter Pie
Nutty Harvest Loaf
Thai Noodles
Spaghetti Marinara
Black Beans and Rice
Noodle and Mango Salad
Spinach Lasagna
Mushroom and Cheese Risotto
Black Eyed Peas
Spaghetti with Mushrooms
Eggplant and Zucchini Pasta
All of these recipes worked very well with this approach. In fact
there was only one recipe I tried that didn't work. It used millet
which resulted in an extremely gritty taste when ground up. (yes,
millet is the same stuff that's used in bird food) Also, there was a
point in which adding too many nuts to a recipe created an
undesirable texture. I can't remember off hand what it was though.
Uhhh ... as far as typing up all my recipes into an e-mail ... that
should be ready sometime around the year 2010.
-Teflon
--- Jeffrey Olson <jjolson@uwyo.edu> wrote:
> I like your perspective. However, a lasagne has a recipe, and I
> guess, this
> is what I was asking for. For example, I combine instant rice,
> Kraft
> parmesian, dehydrated split pea, black bean, or curried lentil
> soup, with
> dehydrated butter, veges, etc. My 12 ounce meals are about 1400
> calories
> because I don't have much of the high calorie stuff in it. But
> boy, when
> you change the rice to potatoes, or cous cous, or pasta, and add
> some soy
> baco bits, and other flavor enhancers, I never eat the same meal
> twice.
>
> So kind sir, do you have a recipe? Make one up!
>
> Jeff
> Laramie WY
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Teflon" <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>
> To: "Jeffrey Olson" <jjolson@uwyo.edu>;
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
>
>
> >
> > For this approach, don't think in terms of throwing individual
> food
> > items into a food processor. Think in terms of throwing an
> entire
> > pan of lasagna into a food processor.
> >
> > You are correct, veggies and grains aren't super high in
> calories.
> > Most of the calories will come from fats ... cheeses, oils, nuts,
> > etc. You will usually need to add more of this stuff to any
> recipe
> > you make in order to boost the calorie content.
> >
> > Using this approach, when you finish dehydrating and regrinding,
> you
> > notice that you'll have a slightly to very oily "powder"
> remaining.
> > (powder is probably not the best choice of words here) most of
> the
> > weight of this substance comes from the oil that remains after
> > dehydrating. The ground-up, dehydrated veggies weigh almost
> nothing
> >
> > -Teflon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jeffrey Olson <jjolson@uwyo.edu> wrote:
> > > I wonder if you could be more specific about the food you threw
> > > into the
> > > food processor. 200 calories an ounce goes to the "cashew"
> level
> > > of
> > > density. Veges and grains tend to be 60 to 120 calories an
> ounce.
> > >
> > > Thanks for being concrete!!!
> > >
> > > Jeff Olson
> > > Laramie WY
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Teflon" <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <judsonb@internetcds.com>; <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 4:50 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need?
> [PowerMush]
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > For a serving size of 1 cup (dry)
> > > > * Average calorie content = 800 to 1200 calories
> > > > * Average weight = 4 to 5 ounces
> > > > * Average cost = $1.00
> > > > >
> > > > Here's how you can make PowerMush for yourself.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Prepare a regular "one-pot" meal as you normally would
> > > (boosting
> > > > carbs, protein and fat as needed)
> > > >
> > > > 2. Throw it in a food processor and grind until relatively
> smooth
> > > >
> > > > 3. Take the mush and spread evenly on dehydrator trays and
> > > dehydrate
> > > >
> > > > 4. After dehydrating, throw the crispy stuff back in the food
> > > > processor and grind into a rough "food powder"
> > > >
> > > > 5. Package individual servings in vacuum-sealed bags.
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:12:15 -0800
From: <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
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<< I have lot's of recipes. Here's the kind of stuff I made:>>
Mushed up, some would call these things baby food!!!!! Did you ever get
bored with the texture (or lack thereof?)
"Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
PCT partially '94
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:20:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Dana Law <mindreader@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Granite Mountain erosion
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On a hike in section A through the northwest side of Granite mountain this
past Monday we passed four areas where recent rains and dirt slides had
washed out the trail for several yards. We had to hop like a goat a few
times. It wasn't dangerous but worth noting to future hikers. There was
water in the San Felipe creek at Scissors Crossing. Dana Law, Mindreader
Dana Law
Amazing Dana Magic Shows
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In a message dated 1/14/2004 4:58:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20
director@pcta.org writes:
We are pleased to announce that we have filled the position of Trail
Operations Director. Mike Dawson will begin his new position with the PCTA
on February 2. Please join me in welcoming Mike to the PCTA. More
information on Mike's background is below.
Liz Bergeron
Executive Director
Pacific Crest Trail Association
____________________________________________________________________________
_________________________________________________________________
Mike Dawson joins the Pacific Crest Trail Association as Trail Operations
Director
January 10, 2004, Sacramento, California: The Pacific Crest Trail
Association (PCTA) is pleased to announce that Mike Dawson has accepted the
position of Trail Operations Director. In this new position, Dawson will be
responsible for implementing PCTA policies related to the management of the
2,650-mile Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail (PCT), managing the PCTA
trail maintenance program, coordinating land protection activities, and
providing public information.
Prior to joining the PCTA, Dawson served as Director of Trail Management and
Protection for the Pacific Northwest Trail Association (PNTA) in Mount
Vernon, Wash. The Pacific Northwest Trail (PNT) runs for 1,200 miles from
the Olympic coast to Glacier National Park in Montana. While at the PNTA,
Dawson was the lead staff member for a variety of programs designed to
assure long-term protection of the PNT. He developed crew programs to
support the construction and maintenance of the PNT route on federal, state
and private land. In June 2002, as a direct result of Dawson=E2=80=99s
effor=
ts, the
first section of the PNT was given official federal recognition as a
National Recreation Trail.
=E2=80=9CI am highly motivated to help make the PCT the best possible
trail=20=
and the
PCTA the best possible steward of this important resource,=E2=80=9D says
Daw=
son; and
with 21 years of experience as the Regional Representative, Central and
Southwest Virginia, for the Appalachian Trail Conference (ATC), Dawson
certainly brings a wealth of relevant experience to the task. The ATC is the
national non-profit resource organization that initially built, and
continues to maintain and manage, the 2,100-mile, Georgia-to-Maine,
Appalachian National Scenic Trail (AT). While at the ATC, Dawson was
responsible for the management of 390 miles of AT and one regional office.
He served as the main coordinator of trail and resource management
activities for five US Forest Service districts, two National Park Service
units, and lands managed by the Commonwealth of Virginia=E2=80=99s
Departmen=
t of
Conservation and Recreation. Additionally, Dawson acted as a professional
advisor to trail volunteers and managed training programs to maintain and
expand their skills.
Dawson has expertise in an array of technical trail management skills
ranging from trail design and construction to the management of important
trail environment resources. His experience also includes extensive work in
public policy.
Over the years, Dawson has received numerous awards for his work on behalf
of trails and other outdoor resources. Among these awards is the USFS Forest
Supervisor=E2=80=99s Award, given to Dawson in 2000, =E2=80=9CIn
appreciatio=
n of 20 years of
dedicated service to the cooperative management of the Appalachian Trail
Corridor on the George Washington and Jefferson National Forests.=E2=80=9D
Dawson lives in Vashon, Wash., with his wife Tina. His interests include
backpacking, canoeing and restoring old cars.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:34:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Teflon <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
To: cmkudija@earthlink.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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The texture doesn't come out quite as smooth as baby food ... you
still get little chunks of stuff. If you get bored with the mush
factor you can always add a little more water to make it more soup
like. I had lot's of other crunchy stuff to munch on, so the texture
didn't bother me too much.
However, even with the variety of meals I listed before, I was still
absolutely sick of everything by the time I reached the Washington
border (nobo). I still have yet to eat a candy bar since I have
returned. (or any corn chips, cheetos, pop tarts, pretzels, bagels,
english muffins, peanut butter, nutter butters, oreos, trail mix,
breakfast bars, granola, fig newtons, or those little prepackaged
cheese and cracker thingys)
-Tef
--- cmkudija@earthlink.net wrote:
> << I have lot's of recipes. Here's the kind of stuff I made:>>
>
> Mushed up, some would call these things baby food!!!!! Did you
> ever get
> bored with the texture (or lack thereof?)
>
> "Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
> PCT partially '94
>
>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:04:40 -0800
From: "ECPG" <ECPG@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT for Pets
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>>I believe the PCT is no place to bring awareness for pets and pet
shelters. This is a hiking trail and a horse trail.
Respectfully, it is also a donkey, llama, dog and goat trail. As someone who
promotes, more, not less, animal use on the PCT I think that this may also
be a positive thing for pets, as this guy, I am convinced, has done his
homework, selected a suitable dog and done an incredible amount of
pre-training and conditioning with this animal. If he also promotes those
things, it can only be good for pets whose owners are willing to listen.
And, there are plenty of human bozos out there who won't listen, but that's
probably not this one person's fault.
</rant>
Carolyn Eddy
Goattracks Magazine
www.goattracksmagazine.com
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:45:35 -0800
From: <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] How much food a day do you need? [PowerMush]
To: "Teflon" <brentramsby-pct@yahoo.com>,
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After nine years I still can't stomach hummous....but Snickers bars and
Gallo dry salami are still ok!
Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
PCT partially '94
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:42:15 EST
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
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The staple of the pioneers -- Hard tack and pemmican? Obsolete? Just used as
bird food?
Watch out for bagels purchased at the natural food store in Ashland. All
natural means no preservatives. The ones I bought there started getting mold
almost instantly. Well, okay, in about 36 hours.
David C
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:26:11 -0800
From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
Subject: [pct-l] hardest climb update
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Well, folks, the climb north from Hauser Cr. is in the lead, but not by
much. Keep those votes coming. And some have questioned my semantics, so
shall we say "most grueling"? You get the idea.
Judson
Ashland
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:41:30 -0800
From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
Subject: [pct-l] belden
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I have two question regarding the bustling metropolis of Belden:
1) I have some info which says there's a PO, but Craig's PCT planner says to
use UPS...what gives?
2) I heard mention of a new hostel there called Little Haven, run by two
sisters named Linda and Brenda. Does anyone have more info on this?
Okay, so I actually have 4 questions:
3) What other "amenities", if any, can one expect to find there? (laundry,
etc.)
4)Is the official route up Chips Cr. back in business?
Thanks in advance,
Judson
Can't Wait for July
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:40:57 -0800
From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Whatever happened to--
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Breads without preservatives do mold - same for bagels, pita, etc. And
especially in hot weather with humidity. That is why I stick to crackers.
Marshall Karon
Portland, OR
m.karon@comcast.net
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> The staple of the pioneers -- Hard tack and pemmican? Obsolete? Just used
as
> bird food?
> Watch out for bagels purchased at the natural food store in Ashland.
All
> natural means no preservatives. The ones I bought there started getting
mold
> almost instantly. Well, okay, in about 36 hours.
> David C
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:47:17 -0800
From: "MONTE ANN DODGE" <montedodge@msn.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Stoves for the PCT , And fuel
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First , you can use Potato Chips for a stove fuel. Lays chips burn 7
minutes!!!
MSR?? good stoves though heavy. You can find( or bum) Coleman fuel. Larger
towns sell Crown Fuel ( like REI) which is even better than Coleman fuel
with less gum. You can you Auto fuel in your MSR, but buy lowest Octane fuel
which is 87 here is Washington. Coleman fuel is 82 octane. It will gum up
your fuel line, but just spray it out with Carb clean from an Auto parts
store. Should be fine.
Lighter stoves alcohol stoves which are the top choice. Go to " Pika"
stove sight by Deems Burton or " Traildad's " site with Roy Robinson's
famous Cat stove.
If you go to the Kick-Off this year, several stove experts will be on hand
to walk you through making your own stove. ( And make friends at same time)
Fuel is easier to find each year for both types of stoves. Good luck!From
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>"Jerry Goller"wrote:
>
>You might want to look at the prices. Adventure Foods is $10 a cup and
>http://www.beprepared.com/ is $25.00 for a #10 tin can....... The price
>difference is noticeable between the two and consistent throughout the
>site.
>Jerry
>
I'm not up on can sizes. How many cups in a # 10 can?
Thanks in advance,
jeff (rogue
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:20:19 -0800
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] belden
To: <judsonb@internetcds.com>, "pctl (E-mail)"
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1. The PO is no longer right in Belden, but rather across the highway (on
the north) and about 1/2 mile west of hte Belden Bridge. It does not have
weekend hours. It does have only limited weekday houres, hence the
suggestion to send packages to Belden Resort via UPS is an excellent one.
2. No information, although I know one was planned. i met the owner in
Belden when I was there 2 years ago. the resort defintely needs some
competition as far as hikers are concerned. They tolerate us, is the best i
can say, because we eat in their restaurant, drink in their bar, and buy
from their store. The option is to walk 1.5 miles east on the highway to
Carabou Corners store.
3. The resort has a pay phone - if it's in worknig order when you get there.
They have a reasonably equipped store, a nice bar, and a very nice
restaurant. They will rent you a cabin with bath but they're out of the
range of most through-hikers. There was a laundry and public shower facility
there in 2002, but they hadn't had electricity or hot weater for the last 2
years. the resort did not meet the electrical codes and was only slowly
coming into compliance. Hopefully, they have that fixed by now. There is a
big family dispute among the owners so probably the best thing that could
happen to Belden would be to sell the resort to someone who cared about it.
4. Yes. It re-opened in 2002.
Wandering Bob
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From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
To: "pctl (E-mail)" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:41 PM
Subject: [pct-l] belden
> I have two question regarding the bustling metropolis of Belden:
>
> 1) I have some info which says there's a PO, but Craig's PCT planner says
to
> use UPS...what gives?
>
> 2) I heard mention of a new hostel there called Little Haven, run by two
> sisters named Linda and Brenda. Does anyone have more info on this?
>
> Okay, so I actually have 4 questions:
>
> 3) What other "amenities", if any, can one expect to find there? (laundry,
> etc.)
>
> 4)Is the official route up Chips Cr. back in business?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Judson
> Can't Wait for July
>
>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:20:29 -0700
From: "Jerry Goller" <jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: freeze dried butter or sour cream
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In this case, about 11.
Jerry
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gear reviews and tests on the planet.
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[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Jeff
Bohannon
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: freeze dried butter or sour cream
>"Jerry Goller"wrote:
>
>You might want to look at the prices. Adventure Foods is $10 a cup and
>http://www.beprepared.com/ is $25.00 for a #10 tin can....... The
>price difference is noticeable between the two and consistent
>throughout the site. Jerry
>
I'm not up on can sizes. How many cups in a # 10 can?
Thanks in advance,
jeff (rogue
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:21:33 EST
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stoves for the PCT , And fuel
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In a message dated 1/14/04 7:49:39 PM, montedodge@msn.com writes:
<< First , you can use Potato Chips for a stove fuel. Lays chips burn 7
minutes!!! >>
And probably cheaper than Esbit tablets. I remember tossing some dirty
onesinto a campfire. They burned like gasoline. That can mean only one
thing.
Loads of fat calories and a great trail food
I looked up hard tack and pemmican on a google search and came up with all
kinds of info and different recipes. Seems like both are perfect trail
foods:
high energy and both keep for a looong time without refrigeration (6 months
to
2 years) and they are supposed to be very tasty. Both are baked in an oven
and
are quite easy to make. I think I'll try them both next summer.
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:30:40 -0800
From: "Kent Ryhorchuk" <kentr-lists@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] belden
To: "'pctl (E-mail)'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Something I'll add to the discussion is that for those of you who are
resupplying via stores along the way should also consider Bucks Lake,
just before Belden. It doesn't get much coverage because there is no
Post Office. However there are 3 stores that combined have way more
stuff than the Belden Town Resort store. There is also a motel, B&B,
cabins, campground, and a good restaurant. Much better for an overnight
than Belden (at least what I saw of it).
Tip: we ended up walking all the way to the lake on road 33N56. It would
probably be easier to hitch from Bucks Summit.
Kent.
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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:35:46 -0800
From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] belden
To: <judsonb@internetcds.com>, "pctl (E-mail)"
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My information is from 2000.
We sent our package by UPS. There was a pickup charge, but the convenience
was worth it. We were able to shower and do laundry for a fee. The store was
totally wiped out of any food when we got there. The restaurant also ran out
of the food we wanted, but they made us something else. Found the folks to
be pleasant. Getting to the Post Office was no problem. I wouldn't sleep in
the area because of the trains (tried to do it once). It was very hot when
we were there.
Marshall Karon
Portland, OR
m.karon@comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@comcast.net>
To: <judsonb@internetcds.com>; "pctl (E-mail)"
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] belden
> 1. The PO is no longer right in Belden, but rather across the highway (on
> the north) and about 1/2 mile west of hte Belden Bridge. It does not have
> weekend hours. It does have only limited weekday houres, hence the
> suggestion to send packages to Belden Resort via UPS is an excellent one.
>
> 2. No information, although I know one was planned. i met the owner in
> Belden when I was there 2 years ago. the resort defintely needs some
> competition as far as hikers are concerned. They tolerate us, is the best
i
> can say, because we eat in their restaurant, drink in their bar, and buy
> from their store. The option is to walk 1.5 miles east on the highway to
> Carabou Corners store.
>
> 3. The resort has a pay phone - if it's in worknig order when you get
there.
> They have a reasonably equipped store, a nice bar, and a very nice
> restaurant. They will rent you a cabin with bath but they're out of the
> range of most through-hikers. There was a laundry and public shower
facility
> there in 2002, but they hadn't had electricity or hot weater for the last
2
> years. the resort did not meet the electrical codes and was only slowly
> coming into compliance. Hopefully, they have that fixed by now. There is a
> big family dispute among the owners so probably the best thing that could
> happen to Belden would be to sell the resort to someone who cared about
it.
>
> 4. Yes. It re-opened in 2002.
>
>
> Wandering Bob
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
> To: "pctl (E-mail)" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:41 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] belden
>
>
> > I have two question regarding the bustling metropolis of Belden:
> >
> > 1) I have some info which says there's a PO, but Craig's PCT planner
says
> to
> > use UPS...what gives?
> >
> > 2) I heard mention of a new hostel there called Little Haven, run by two
> > sisters named Linda and Brenda. Does anyone have more info on this?
> >
> > Okay, so I actually have 4 questions:
> >
> > 3) What other "amenities", if any, can one expect to find there?
(laundry,
> > etc.)
> >
> > 4)Is the official route up Chips Cr. back in business?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Judson
> > Can't Wait for July
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:34:02 +0800
From: Andrew Priest <andrew@aushiker.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stoves for the PCT , And fuel
To: "pct-l" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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At 11:47 AM 15/01/2004, MONTE ANN DODGE wrote:
> Lighter stoves alcohol stoves which are the top choice.
Another option is the range of alcohol stoves made/designed by Aaron at
Brasslite - http://www.brasslite.com/. Some of these have been tested at
BackpackGearTest.org - http://www.backpackgeartest.org/brasslite/.
Just a thought
Andrew
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Message: 28
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:53:02 -0700
From: "Jerry Goller" <jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Stoves for the PCT , And fuel
To: "'Andrew Priest'" <andrew@aushiker.com>, "'pct-l'"
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Don't forget the ones at Anti-gravity Gear
http://www.antigravitygear.com/ . They finally converted me to alcohol
with their stove/pot stand in one. No more Esbits.....
Jerry
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gear reviews and tests on the planet.
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[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Andrew
Priest
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:34 PM
To: pct-l
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stoves for the PCT , And fuel
At 11:47 AM 15/01/2004, MONTE ANN DODGE wrote:
> Lighter stoves alcohol stoves which are the top choice.
Another option is the range of alcohol stoves made/designed by Aaron at
Brasslite - http://www.brasslite.com/. Some of these have been tested
at
BackpackGearTest.org - http://www.backpackgeartest.org/brasslite/.
Just a thought
Andrew
--
Aushiker: Hiking in Western Australia - http://aushiker.com President -
Perth Bushwalkers Club Inc - http://www.perthbushwalkers.asn.au
Senior Edit Moderator - http://www.backpackgeartest.org Moderator -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/trekking2/
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Message: 29
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:02:53 -0800
From: "Ken Powers" <kdpo@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] belden
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We spent the night there in 2000. The bikers were starting to arrive for a
bike (motorcycle) rally. The next morning the bikers closed off the bridge
from the road and charged admission. At that point we left. We could hear
the bikes coming and going all the while we climbed the hill.
The store was out of nearly everything except beer and potato chips. We did
get to do laundry and they had great peach pie! Yummm.
Ken
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Message: 30
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:02:51 -0800 (PST)
From: The Mountain Goat <themtgoat@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] White Gas/ and Stove Question.
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Thanks Everyone for all your Stove input. I am still going to think about
what stove to take. At this point, it seem from Judiths comment:
Judith Gustafson ((jgus at sunbow.org:))
Most MAJOR resupply towns have a hiker box, either at the post office, or at
some key campground or motel or hardward store where EVERYONE
(quote/unquote) stays or shops. The hiker boxes almost always have stove
alcohol of some type or other you can pour in your bottle, and also have a
can of white gas (usually Coleman) that you can take what you need from.
If this is the case, I could just take the MSR stove and take and give at
the hikers boxes as need be. I just did not want to buy 26 cans of white gas
at $5/can. With Hiker boxes, If I only had to buy 1/3 the time, then my
current system would work.
May still use the Estebit or Pepsi can "alcohaul stove" solutions for parts
of the trail.
We shall see. If you have more thoughts on stoves that would be great..
-Mt Goat-
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