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[pct-l] Re: Manning to Stehekin?



PCT Mailman:

The message below was sent Jul 2, 13:31:29, but it didn't make the July 3 issue.  Too close? Will it be in the next issue?  I'd like to put it out there, only because I'm leaving very early Jul 8, and would like feedback before then.  Thanks -- Daivd



"David Canty, PhD" wrote:

> I had posted a message about this hike on the PCT a few weeks ago.  As we're about to leave for the trip (will start from Manning on July 10, and head south to Stehekin), I thought I'd check and see if anyone, in the interim, has done this leg and, if so, trail conditions in terms of snow, etc.  Trying to decide whether crampons and ice axes will be necessary.  Any other advice will be appreciated.  Thanks in advance -- David
>
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> >    1. Re: all the way,,! (Steve Courtway)
> >    2. hammock / pct question (Rintoul, Alan)
> >    3. RE: Washing Silk Bag Liners (John Coyle)
> >    4. Re: Shelter Skelter (Tom Griffin)
> >    5. RE: RE: Washing Silk Bag liners (cmkudija@earthlink.net)
> >    6. Re:The Big One (Matt Maxon)
> >    7. RE: RE: Washing Silk Bag liners (Judson Brown)
> >    8. RE: RE: Washing Silk Bag liners (Mike Saenz)
> >    9. RE: RE: Washing Silk Bag liners (cmkudija@earthlink.net)
> >   10. Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about Yosemite
> >       (Nina Turner)
> >   11. Re: Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about Yosemite
> >       (AsABat)
> >   12. Re: hammock / pct question (Eckert)
> >   13. Naked on the trail (Lonetrail@aol.com)
> >   14. Re: Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about Yosemite (dude)
> >   15. Re: Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about Yosemite
> >       (Steve Peterson)
> >   16. Stehekin Valley Ranch (adrian.borner@ch.abb.com)
> >   17. JMT - VVR to Whitney (Transpo Issues) (Jimmy Radisch)
> >   18. Re: JMT - VVR to Whitney (Transpo Issues) (Lonetrail@aol.com)
> >   19. Re: Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about Yosemite
> >       (busterrey@speakeasy.net)
> >   20. Re: JMT - VVR to Whitney (Transpo Issues) (dude)
> >   21. Re: Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about Yosemite (dude)
> >   22. Re: Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about Yosemite
> >       (Nina Turner)
> >   23. Re: JMT - VVR to Whitney (Transpo Issues) (CharlieJones@aol.com)
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:55:19 -0700
> > From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] all the way,,!
> > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <04db01c45f8c$312c8d40$8000a8c0@STATION128>
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> >
> > 2,650 miles howard, 2,650.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Norma" <n.ruiz@verizon.net>
> > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:42 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] all the way,,!
> >
> > > Hey wildcat dave,excellent way to go camping,but your hikeing all the
> > way,..! that means a lot of stuff too heavy,,,,1600 miles that is a long
> > ways ,and how maney times are you going to pitch camp ?theres an hour,brake
> > camp...!thats an other hour,get you some 30,40,50,&even60 % spray on
> > deet{mosquitoes} and get you a small bed roll,and in 10minutes,you pitched &
> > break camp,,,,NOW,,,there is Mike,he love all the comferts of home,tent
> > ,fire,hot meal & of course a nite cap,the man is strong,an excellent
> > hiker,SO think about it, Howard
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:06:32 -0400
> > From: "Rintoul, Alan" <Alan.Rintoul@starwoodhotels.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] hammock / pct question
> > To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> > where along the pct would a hammock not be suitable (ie, due to non
> > availability of trees, or at least sparse tree coverage so that using a
> > hammock would be restrictive)?
> >
> > i assume a lot of southern california could be tricky?
> >
> > cheers...
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:02:19 -0700
> > From: John Coyle <jcoyle@sanjuan.edu>
> > Subject: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag Liners
> > To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID:
> >         <F1EAAF6E423A63428C7622B1A2A4CBC401775B5A@dale.sanjuan.edu>
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> >
> > Original Message:
> >
> > Dump the Woolite!!!!!!!!
> >
> > It ruins wool, eats it(makes the fibers brittle and they break).  I have
> > been spinning wool and all the weavers and spinners I know wouldn't wash a
> > dog with that stuff.  They all use Dawn dishwashing liquid.
> >
> > Joanne
> > /mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > --Thanks Joanne, I have some Dawn at home, I'll have to try that, although I
> > haven't noticed any deterioration of the silk bag liner using Woolite.
> >
> > The only wool products I wash on a regular basis are my Marino wool hiking
> > socks and I put them in with my regular laundry.  Maybe I should wash them
> > in the dish sink with Dawn--my non hiking wife is going to love that.  She's
> > already irritated with me for buying all that "hiking stuff."  The only
> > thing that saves me is that she spends more on her 22 yr old cat than I
> > spend on "hiking stuff."
> >
> > John Coyle
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:03:38 -0700
> > From: Tom Griffin <griffin@u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Shelter Skelter
> > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <BD09CA3A.3896%griffin@u.washington.edu>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > I just want to add that I had a tent with a rain fly when I did my Section H
> > hike in Washington State last year. It was a two-person tent, so we each
> > carried half the weight, about 2 pounds each. The first week of the trip we
> > never even set up the rainfly. The second week we had rain for four days
> > straight, including some classic Cascade downpours. The other party we were
> > hiking with that week had a single-wall tent and no rainfly. All their
> > gear--including the sleeping bags--got wet. Here is a photo of them trying
> > to dry a sleeping bag over a fire:
> >
> > http://staff.washington.edu/griffin/drying_bag.jpg
> >
> > In our tent with the rainfly we stayed relatively dry. This was during the
> > first two weeks of September, when many thru hikers reach Washington. While
> > a tarp or bivy sounds great for the first part of the trip, if you are going
> > to be hiking in Washington in September or October, I'd take a tent. Your
> > mileage may vary...
> >
> > Tom Griffin
> > Seattle
> > PCT Pages: http://staff.washington.edu/griffin/pct.html
> >
> > > From: "David Craft" <chsyhkr@bellsouth.net>
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:47:35 -0400
> > > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Shelter Skelter
> > >
> > > How about a tarp for most of California and then switching to a tent in
> > > Oregon and Washington.  Carrying a tent to the Sierra is a big waste of
> > > effort.  It may rain on you once or twice at night, probably not at
> > > all.............
> > >
> > > It never rains in Southern California!  Almost.............
> > >
> > > David Craft
> > > Greensboro, NC
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:15:06 -0700
> > From: <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag liners
> > To: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cnw.com>,  "John Coyle"
> >         <jcoyle@sanjuan.edu>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <IGEMKAANJGIIEFEHCJLNMEJOCGAA.cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Interesting, Joanne - I know I've washed my CAT with Dawn (apparently it
> > stuns fleas, but it also helps with my cat's ultra greasy coat).  I don't
> > understand why a detergent that's good at cutting grease won't dry out wool.
> > Have you heard any explanation?  Just wondering (and gradually using up my
> > Woolite on gym clothes... - most of my wool stuff is the "dry-clean only"
> > kind in tailored suits, I confess...
> >
> > Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
> > PCT partially '94
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> > [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of Joanne Lennox
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:20 AM
> > To: John Coyle; pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag liners
> >
> > Dump the Woolite!!!!!!!!
> >
> > It ruins wool, eats it(makes the fibers brittle and they break).  I have
> > been spinning wool and all the weavers and spinners I know wouldn't wash a
> > dog with that stuff.  They all use Dawn dishwashing liquid.
> >
> > Joanne
> > /mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:49:00 -0700
> > From: "Matt Maxon" <matt@mattmaxon.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Re:The Big One
> > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>, <Bighummel@aol.com>
> > Message-ID: <050e01c45fb5$3ab4e730$0500a8c0@puttercentral>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hey Greg
> >
> > Steer clear of the Heath Canyon Landslide about 0.20 mile South of Acorn Cyn
> > Trail while riding the dirt wave of the Big One! =;-O
> >
> > http://seis.natsci.csulb.edu/deptweb/SkinnyCalSites/TrnsverseRng/SanGabriels/SGOVpictxt/Wrightmdflw.html
> >
> > Matt Maxon (Trail90)
> > ----- Original Message ----- > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:53:55 EDT
> > > From: Bighummel@aol.com
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Drought in Wrightwood
> > > To: rogers@isi.edu, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > > Message-ID: <8.50f1aa25.2e149073@aol.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > >
> > > In a message dated 6/30/2004 1:43:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > rogers@isi.edu
> > > writes:
> > >     FYI, the drought in Wrightwood, CA, has made it necessary to
> > > truck water in to supply the town.  The local water company will drill
> > > a new well this summer in hopes of increasing available supplies
> > >
> > > Those Wrightwoodians are smart!  Drilling a new well where they are
> > situated
> > > and removing water will increase the friction on the San Andreas fault, on
> > > which the town sits.  This just might save them from or at the very least
> > > postpone the effects of the "Big One" earthquake hitting their quaint,
> > semi-mountain
> > > resort.
> > >
> > > For any of you that might not be familiar with the "Big One" prediction, a
> > > UCLA grad student found a stream on the backside of the San Gabriels that
> > was
> > > offset and pooled into a lagoon every time the San Andreas fault moved
> > > significantly.  He traced significant movements back thousands of years by
> > carbon
> > > dating the sediments in the lagoon area.  He showed that this portion of
> > the fault
> > > moved significantly every 150 years or so, plus or minus about 40 years.
> > > Thus, the last significant movement on that portion of the fault moved
> > back in
> > > 1842 (or thereabouts, I don't recall the specific year) and the fault
> > ripped from
> > > just south of Bakersfield all of the way to Redlands in a massive
> > earthquake
> > > postulated at upper 7's or low 8's magnitude.  This section of the San
> > Andreas
> > > fault has not been shown to have moved at all in the time since.  Thus, in
> > > 2004 we are in the window of historical significant movements.
> > >
> > > The state office of mines and geology put out an interesting paper a few
> > > years ago, titled something to the tune of, "Consequences on the Sth
> > California
> > > Infrastructure of a Magnitude 8 Earthquake on the San Andreas Fault in the
> > > Palmdale Area".   It is rather scary.
> > >
> > >  I just hope that I happen to be on the PCT when it rips again!  It will
> > be a
> > > grand site and an incredible event to witness out of doors where you are
> > > certain to be knocked off of your feet but unlikely to have much else
> > happen to
> > > you unless you are unlucky enough to be under where a landslide is loosed
> > or a
> > > boulder or a tree falls on you, or . . .
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Greg "Strider" Hummel
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:55:22 -0700
> > From: "Judson Brown" <judson@jeffnet.org>
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag liners
> > To: <cmkudija@earthlink.net>, "'Joanne Lennox'" <goforth@cnw.com>,
> >         "'John Coyle'" <jcoyle@sanjuan.edu>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <000b01c45fb6$1c7cbd00$555cf142@pounder>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > OK, that is officially the most random thing I've heard on pct-l: Dawn stuns
> > fleas.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> > [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of
> > cmkudija@earthlink.net
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:15 PM
> > To: Joanne Lennox; John Coyle; pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag liners
> >
> > Interesting, Joanne - I know I've washed my CAT with Dawn (apparently it
> > stuns fleas, but it also helps with my cat's ultra greasy coat).  I don't
> > understand why a detergent that's good at cutting grease won't dry out wool.
> > Have you heard any explanation?  Just wondering (and gradually using up my
> > Woolite on gym clothes... - most of my wool stuff is the "dry-clean only"
> > kind in tailored suits, I confess...
> >
> > Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
> > PCT partially '94
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:57:30 -0700
> > From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag liners
> > To: "Judson Brown" <judson@jeffnet.org>, <cmkudija@earthlink.net>,
> >         "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cnw.com>, "John Coyle" <jcoyle@sanjuan.edu>,
> >         <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID:
> >         <157A61E98909CA47A3BBC4D6E5A773770229B135@server3.mvenet.ad>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > I once had a stunning girlfriend named Dawn...
> > I never found a flea on her either...
> >
> > M i c h a e l   S a e n z
> > McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > A r c h i t e c t u r e    P l a n n i n g    I n t e r i o r s
> > w  w  w  .  m  v  e  -  a  r  c  h  i  t  e  c  t  s  .  c  o  m
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Judson Brown [mailto:judson@jeffnet.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:55 PM
> > To: cmkudija@earthlink.net; 'Joanne Lennox'; 'John Coyle';
> > pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag liners
> >
> > OK, that is officially the most random thing I've heard on pct-l: Dawn
> > stuns
> > fleas.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> > [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of
> > cmkudija@earthlink.net
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:15 PM
> > To: Joanne Lennox; John Coyle; pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag liners
> >
> > Interesting, Joanne - I know I've washed my CAT with Dawn (apparently it
> > stuns fleas, but it also helps with my cat's ultra greasy coat).  I
> > don't
> > understand why a detergent that's good at cutting grease won't dry out
> > wool.
> > Have you heard any explanation?  Just wondering (and gradually using up
> > my
> > Woolite on gym clothes... - most of my wool stuff is the "dry-clean
> > only"
> > kind in tailored suits, I confess...
> >
> > Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
> > PCT partially '94
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > unsubscribe or change options:
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:42:50 -0700
> > From: <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag liners
> > To: "Judson Brown" <judson@jeffnet.org>, "'Joanne Lennox'"
> >         <goforth@cnw.com>,      "'John Coyle'" <jcoyle@sanjuan.edu>,
> >         <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <IGEMKAANJGIIEFEHCJLNAEKBCGAA.cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > ...and I haven't heard anything about what Dawn does to mosquitoes.
> >
> > TIC !!!! and having random moments -
> >
> > Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
> > PCT partially '94
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Judson Brown [mailto:judson@jeffnet.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:55 PM
> > To: cmkudija@earthlink.net; 'Joanne Lennox'; 'John Coyle';
> > pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag liners
> >
> > OK, that is officially the most random thing I've heard on pct-l: Dawn stuns
> > fleas.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> > [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of
> > cmkudija@earthlink.net
> > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:15 PM
> > To: Joanne Lennox; John Coyle; pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] RE: Washing Silk Bag liners
> >
> > Interesting, Joanne - I know I've washed my CAT with Dawn (apparently it
> > stuns fleas, but it also helps with my cat's ultra greasy coat).  I don't
> > understand why a detergent that's good at cutting grease won't dry out wool.
> > Have you heard any explanation?  Just wondering (and gradually using up my
> > Woolite on gym clothes... - most of my wool stuff is the "dry-clean only"
> > kind in tailored suits, I confess...
> >
> > Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
> > PCT partially '94
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:47:10 -0700
> > From: Nina Turner <yosaphina@mac.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about
> >         Yosemite
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <59C44C7C-CBC1-11D8-B9F2-000A95CD988A@mac.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> >
> > I met up with my Husband at VVR to resupply him and his brother.  I
> > would never ever ever do that road again.  It was 20 miles of torture
> > for me.  A one lane pitted potholed road with cliffs on one side and
> > not much space if you meet up with someone going the other way.  It
> > took me 2 hours to get there.  Edison lake was fairly uncrowded
> > considering the time of year, but you better be staying for longer than
> > two nights to make the hassle worth your while.
> >
> > I'm trying to meet up with them near Tuolumne meadows and unfortunately
> > they are arriving there July 4th.  I tried the reservation system to
> > see if I could get a campsite, but no luck there.  I'm also thinking
> > that since I am arriving on a Sunday that all the "first come-first
> > serve" camping locations would be taken.  Is this true?  I would hate
> > to drive out there and then end up having to leave the park.  Is there
> > any way I can find a place to camp with him - backpackers camp?
> > anything else?  I've put in a reservation at the White Wolf tent cabin
> > as a precaution but I'm open for any advice.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nina the last minute planner.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:11:51 -0700
> > From: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about
> >         Yosemite
> > To: "Nina Turner" <yosaphina@mac.com>,  <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <000401c45fd1$8ed14720$6401010a@sd.cox.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Independence Day weekend is always a challenge. There are a number of
> > campgrounds on the road east of Tuolumne and east of Tioga Pass. As you get
> > to the bottom there are a few Mono County campgrounds that don't fill as
> > fast as those higher up. It's a bit of a drive, but away from the crowds.
> > Still, get there early.
> >
> > AsABat
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:20:35 -0700
> > From: Eckert <jape@nethere.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] hammock / pct question
> > To: pct-l <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID: <40E4B863.3000505@nethere.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >
> > the following link should lead you to a post by Roni, PCT 03, and
> > currently CDT.  It speaks directly to your question of southern
> > california hammocking.
> >
> >     http://www.backcountry.net/arch/pct/0310/msg00038.html
> >
> > Rintoul, Alan wrote:
> >
> > >where along the pct would a hammock not be suitable (ie, due to non
> > >availability of trees, or at least sparse tree coverage so that using a
> > >hammock would be restrictive)?
> > >
> > >i assume a lot of southern california could be tricky?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 21:25:08 EDT
> > From: Lonetrail@aol.com
> > Subject: [pct-l] Naked on the trail
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net, bjirey1958@msn.com
> > Message-ID: <12e.4570408b.2e161374@aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Hey
> >
> > Geezer Bill and I did a short Backpacking trip going north out of Donner
> > Pass. Lord and behold this gentleman completed naked ran passed us. I thought he
> > just had a tampon on. Bill said no it was G-string. I was able to snapped a
> > picture. You would be surprise that all the women I showed it to strained their
> > eyes looking at him. Now one of the girls go to a senior citizen computer
> > school and is going to get it enlarged, that is the picture. well so much on this
> > topic.
> > As I was descending I believe down to Milton Bridge a hawk mention in Yogi's
> > book busses me from the side. Then as I was walking along he came in from the
> > rear and snatched my hat cutting my scalp with his talons. He can back minus
> > my hat and landed on a tree and pooped hoping to hit me. I saluted the B@#&%t
> > and gave it a few choice words. A little later the Bearded Man (trail name)
> > aThru Hiker from Japan had the same experience but was able to keep his hat.
> >
> > Now after many years of using boots I managed to switch to the 806 NB and it
> > worked out fine. Who said you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
> >
> > I will let you know how the photo comes out.
> >
> > I went from Inspiration Point on the PC to Acorn Trail and down to Wrightwood
> > yesterday. I notice the water was down in the artificial lake and reservoir.
> > They have a water shortage.
> >
> > Lonetrail
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 03:57:49 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about
> >         Yosemite
> > To: yosaphina@mac.com
> > Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <20040702035750.4E44086502D@mail.interchange.ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > If you have a reservation at one of the Tent Cabins, I'd say that you
> > are lucky.  I am not sure how far a hike it is to White Wolf, but its
> > probably not too far.
> >
> > I am not sure of any public campgrounds off of Tioga Road (there may be
> > some, I just don't know of them), but There are a number of Hotels in
> > the city of Lee Vining, which is just north of the intersection of
> > Tioga Road (120) and 395.  Tioda Road is not a bad drive and its not
> > that far.
> >
> > peace,
> > dude
> >
> > > I met up with my Husband at VVR to resupply him and his brother.  I
> > > would never ever ever do that road again.  It was 20 miles of torture
> > > for me.  A one lane pitted potholed road with cliffs on one side and
> > > not much space if you meet up with someone going the other way.  It
> > > took me 2 hours to get there.  Edison lake was fairly uncrowded
> > > considering the time of year, but you better be staying for longer
> > > than two nights to make the hassle worth your while.
> > >
> > > I'm trying to meet up with them near Tuolumne meadows and
> > > unfortunately they are arriving there July 4th.  I tried the
> > > reservation system to see if I could get a campsite, but no luck
> > > there.  I'm also thinking that since I am arriving on a Sunday that
> > > all the "first come-first serve" camping locations would be taken.  Is
> > > this true?  I would hate to drive out there and then end up having to
> > > leave the park.  Is there any way I can find a place to camp with him
> > > - backpackers camp? anything else?  I've put in a reservation at the
> > > White Wolf tent cabin as a precaution but I'm open for any advice.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Nina the last minute planner.
> > >
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> > Message: 15
> > Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:02:50 -0700
> > From: Steve Peterson <steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about
> >         Yosemite
> > Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net, yosaphina@mac.com
> > Message-ID: <40E4D05A.8030809@sbcglobal.net>
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> >
> > You wouldn't want to hike from White Wolf to TM; it's about 30 minutes by car
> > (without traffic). Surely if your party is camping in the backpacker's camp you
> > could camp with them--just leave the car out near the highway (after you drop
> > off your stuff, of course) and don't leave any food in it.
> >
> > dude wrote:
> > > If you have a reservation at one of the Tent Cabins, I'd say that you
> > > are lucky.  I am not sure how far a hike it is to White Wolf, but its
> > > probably not too far.
> > >
> > > I am not sure of any public campgrounds off of Tioga Road (there may be
> > > some, I just don't know of them), but There are a number of Hotels in
> > > the city of Lee Vining, which is just north of the intersection of
> > > Tioga Road (120) and 395.  Tioda Road is not a bad drive and its not
> > > that far.
> > >
> > > peace,
> > > dude
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>I met up with my Husband at VVR to resupply him and his brother.  I
> > >>would never ever ever do that road again.  It was 20 miles of torture
> > >>for me.  A one lane pitted potholed road with cliffs on one side and
> > >>not much space if you meet up with someone going the other way.  It
> > >>took me 2 hours to get there.  Edison lake was fairly uncrowded
> > >>considering the time of year, but you better be staying for longer
> > >>than two nights to make the hassle worth your while.
> > >>
> > >>I'm trying to meet up with them near Tuolumne meadows and
> > >>unfortunately they are arriving there July 4th.  I tried the
> > >>reservation system to see if I could get a campsite, but no luck
> > >>there.  I'm also thinking that since I am arriving on a Sunday that
> > >>all the "first come-first serve" camping locations would be taken.  Is
> > >>this true?  I would hate to drive out there and then end up having to
> > >>leave the park.  Is there any way I can find a place to camp with him
> > >>- backpackers camp? anything else?  I've put in a reservation at the
> > >>White Wolf tent cabin as a precaution but I'm open for any advice.
> > >>
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>Nina the last minute planner.
> > >>
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> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:53:59 +0200
> > From: adrian.borner@ch.abb.com
> > Subject: [pct-l] Stehekin Valley Ranch
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> >         <OFC2838B16.BB83EF8F-ONC1256EC5.00258DEB-C1256EC5.0025E6FC@ch.abb.com>
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> >
> > Just received confirmation that the bus is still not running due to
> > washouts of the road, but it is only a 2.5 miles hike from the trail head
> > to the Stehekin Valley Ranch.
> > They will also accept mail-drops. I plan to be there around August 12.
> > Adrian alias Matterhorn AT01
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 17
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:54:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Jimmy Radisch <teamradisch@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] JMT - VVR to Whitney (Transpo Issues)
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <20040702125456.18089.qmail@web54003.mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Howdy Folks,
> >    We will be doing this JMT section in late July and
> > thought I'd get your advice before finalizing transpo
> > plans.
> >    We'll have one vehicle to leave at either Whitney
> > or VVR but still debating at which site to leave it.
> > Taking our vehicle in gives us more flexibility on
> > ingress but having the rig at the end is enticing as
> > well.
> >    Was wondering:
> > 1)  Vehicle security any better at either site?
> > 2)  Any trail angels in the Whitney area that would
> > help with a more secure storage area?
> >     AND/OR
> > 3)  Trail angels in the Fresno area that could help
> > with getting up to VVR at the start (if vehicle stays
> > at Whitney) or back up to get the rig post hike?
> >     They'll be two of us hiking and going ultralight
> > so we'll be pretty compact.  Also, with gas prices the
> > way they are, we're more than happy to compensate
> > folks who help out.
> >      Thanks in advance for all the help!
> > Regards,
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 18
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:40:21 EDT
> > From: Lonetrail@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] JMT - VVR to Whitney (Transpo Issues)
> > To: teamradisch@yahoo.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <1d9.2536d4e5.2e16cdd5@aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > In a message dated 7/2/2004 5:55:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > teamradisch@yahoo.com writes:
> > JIm
> > 1)  Vehicle security any better at either site?
> >  I went N-S took Amtrak to Merced. You could leave car there. Take a bus to
> > Happy Valley
> > If going S-N leave car at Lone Pine and take Dial a ride to Portals.
> > 2)  Any trail angels in the Whitney area that would
> > help with a more secure storage area?
> >     AND/OR
> > Do the above.# 1
> >
> > 3)  Trail angels in the Fresno area that could help
> > with getting up to VVR at the start (if vehicle stays
> > at Whitney) or back up to get the rig post hike?
> >     They'll be two of us hiking and going ultralight
> > so we'll be pretty compact.  Also, with gas prices the
> > way they are, we're more than happy to compensate
> > folks who help out.
> > At vVR  they gave me a telephone number of a person who lived in Fresno and I
> > paid around $100.00 for him pick up my daughter at Rail Road S  who joined me
> > on the trail;
> >
> >      Thanks in advance for all the help!
> > Regards,
> > Jim
> >
> >
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> > Message: 19
> > Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:55:01 +0000
> > From: busterrey@speakeasy.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about
> >         Yosemite
> > To: "Nina Turner" <yosaphina@mac.com>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <W828208841142931088783701@webmail1>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > The campground at Tuolumne meadows is only 50% reserved - the rest is first come first serve.  There is a backpackers camp there but you'd have to find a place to park your car and the park service is kind of strict about parking cars right now.  Park without a overnight permit in the wrong place and you're in for a ticket. You might check with the wilderness permit office and see if you could get a hiking permit and an over night parking permit for the Tuolumne meadows trail head.
> >
> > While you are getting there on one of the most crowded weekends of the year there is a small chance of getting a regular camp site.  Your best bet is to get to the camp ground reservation office right at 8:00 am when it opens (well may like 7:30 and get in line) and then you might - might - be able to get a camp ground spot.  Last year in August my wife and I got one night of reserved camping at Tuolumne meadows and in the morning went to the reservation office right before it opened and had no trouble getting our stay extended for a week.
> >
> > Along the Tigoa there are several other campgrounds you might want to check into.
> >
> > But if you got a tent cabin in White Wolf - I'd take it.  That's kind of a score for the July 4 weekend in Yosemite.  You will have to pick up your husband from the trail and drive him to White Wolf though - that would be a long hike.  There is also a park service shutle bus that goes between Tuolumne meadows and White Wolf.
> >
> > Andrew - Buster's best friend
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nina Turner [mailto:yosaphina@mac.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 2, 2004 12:47 AM
> > > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about Yosemite
> > >
> > > I met up with my Husband at VVR to resupply him and his brother.  I
> > > would never ever ever do that road again.  It was 20 miles of torture
> > > for me.  A one lane pitted potholed road with cliffs on one side and
> > > not much space if you meet up with someone going the other way.  It
> > > took me 2 hours to get there.  Edison lake was fairly uncrowded
> > > considering the time of year, but you better be staying for longer than
> > > two nights to make the hassle worth your while.
> > >
> > > I'm trying to meet up with them near Tuolumne meadows and unfortunately
> > > they are arriving there July 4th.  I tried the reservation system to
> > > see if I could get a campsite, but no luck there.  I'm also thinking
> > > that since I am arriving on a Sunday that all the "first come-first
> > > serve" camping locations would be taken.  Is this true?  I would hate
> > > to drive out there and then end up having to leave the park.  Is there
> > > any way I can find a place to camp with him - backpackers camp?
> > > anything else?  I've put in a reservation at the White Wolf tent cabin
> > > as a precaution but I'm open for any advice.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Nina the last minute planner.
> > >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 20
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:16:52 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] JMT - VVR to Whitney (Transpo Issues)
> > To: teamradisch@yahoo.com
> > Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <20040702161653.0FA76865891@mail.interchange.ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > > We'll have one vehicle to leave at either Whitney
> > > or VVR but still debating at which site to leave it.
> >
> > I HIGHLY recomend avoiding VVR as a car drop location.  The road into
> > VVR is like something out of a horror movie.  Its completely insane:
> > one TINY lane, trees growing on the edge of the road, no shoulder, no
> > guard rail, cliffs everywhere, blind curves, steep hills, huge pot-
> > holes, crumbling in some spots, etc, etc.  Its REALY a bad road.  None
> > of the dangers of the road bothered me at all, but the excruciatingly
> > SLOW speed required is what really got to me.  Honestly, there are
> > several sections of the road that could be hiked faster.  I don't
> > remember the exact time that it took us to drive the road, but I
> > remember that it was some stupid amount, like 2 hrs for 18 miles or
> > something like that.  IMO, it would really be a huge waste of your
> > vacation hours to drive that road twice.
> >
> > > 1)  Vehicle security any better at either site?
> >
> > Of course, anything can happen, but I have parked my car at the whitney
> > portal for days and nothing has ever happened to it.  I have also done
> > the JMT twice and left my car at Yosemite for 10 days straight with no
> > problems (If you leave your car at Yosemite, you are more likely to
> > suffer a break-in by a bear than a person).  In general, I have found
> > that security/crime along the JMT is not an issue.
> >
> > I highly recomend just leaving your car in Yosemite and either hitch-
> > hiking back to Yosemite from Whitney, or taking the Eastern Sierra
> > Shuttle and/or YARTS.  I have hitch-hiked back from Whitney to Yosemite
> > three times and its never a problem.  There are so many tourists/hikers
> > who are planning to go to both locations that I've always been able to
> > find someone willing to take us (I also always offer gas money, which
> > probably helps).  Also, I am quite outgoing and not afraid to walk up
> > to people and ask such things.  :-)
> >
> > good luck!
> >
> > peace,
> > dude
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 21
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:22:53 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about
> >         Yosemite
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Cc: yosaphina@mac.com
> > Message-ID: <20040702162255.55038866975@mail.interchange.ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > concerning parking in Yosemite, if you have a tent cabin, you will get
> > a parking permit.  if you decide not to take the tent cabin, i'd
> > recommend parking in Lee Vining or Mammoth and taking the YARTS shuttle
> > into Yosemite.  You won't have a car inside the park, which means you
> > will have to rely on public transportation, but its better than
> > worrying all weekend about getting a ticket or worrying about where to
> > park.
> >
> > of course, if you need the car to shuttle hikers around and drive into
> > town to buy supplies or eat at a resuarant or whatever they will want
> > to do, the YARTS shuttle is not a good idea.
> >
> > peace,
> > dude
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 22
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:45:40 -0700
> > From: Nina Turner <yosaphina@mac.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Meeting up w/ Husband... and a Question about
> >         Yosemite
> > To: dude <dude@fastmail.ca>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <405A7A24-CC47-11D8-A5C0-000A95CD988A@mac.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> >
> > Thanks all,
> >
> > Since one of the main points in me going is to resupply him and deliver
> > new shoes etc, using the YART would be a pain.   BTW - he highly
> > recommends the New Balance Trail runners since they have size 4E if you
> > have wide feet - he is using  the  807AT and only had 2 blisters the
> > entire way (the shoes have lasted 800 miles), I think I'll keep the
> > white wolf tent cabin and go pick him up at Tuolumne, get him a nice
> > shower etc.   If it were during the week rather than July 4th weekend
> > I'd take the risk and go early to snag a spot.   I'm not sure how
> > crowded it will be, but I can envision all the campsites getting
> > snapped up on Friday July 2nd (as someone else mentioned).  Another
> > plus is I won't have to sleep in a tent with his stinky sleeping bag
> > again :)
> >
> > Just a comment regarding food - I'm Chinese and we did a lot of the
> > food shopping at a chinese grocery store for super cheap.  We found
> > these Tomoshiraga somen (Japanese style noodles) which are tightly
> > bundled in pre-measured noodle bundles and cook in 3 minutes.  They
> > just keep adding different soup/flavor mixes.  The noodles are pretty
> > much flavorless so you can vary it - they generally have noodles every
> > other day and so far haven't gotten sick of it.  Since they are using
> > an alcohol stove, faster is better.  A high high calorie snack are
> > these "Pineapple Cakes" found in the cookie/snack aisle which are 1000
> > calories for 7 oz.  They don't always have them in their resupply but
> > for the weight they provide lots of energy and they are packed tightly
> > in bar formation.
> >
> > Thanks for all the advice!
> > Nina
> >
> > >
> > > of course, if you need the car to shuttle hikers around and drive into
> > >
> > > town to buy supplies or eat at a resuarant or whatever they will want
> > >
> > > to do, the YARTS shuttle is not a good idea.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > peace,
> > >
> > > dude
> > >
> > >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 23
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:46:14 EDT
> > From: CharlieJones@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] JMT - VVR to Whitney (Transpo Issues)
> > To: dude@fastmail.ca
> > Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <1eb.244bf630.2e16eb56@aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/2/2004 9:31:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > dude@fastmail.ca writes:
> >
> > (If you  leave your car at Yosemite, you are more likely to suffer a break-in
> > by a bear  than a person.)
> >
> > That's also a risk at Whitney Portal, (especially if your car has ever
> > smelled like any kind of food). Ever notice all the little pieces of shattered
> > window glass in the parking lot there?
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >
> >
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