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[pct-l] RE: pct-l Digest, Vol 6, Issue 29-Stehekin
- Subject: [pct-l] RE: pct-l Digest, Vol 6, Issue 29-Stehekin
- From: jcoyle at sanjuan.edu (John Coyle)
- Date: Tue Oct 28 14:03:40 2003
I realize this is a major non sequiter, and a rather scatterbrained
question, but I have heard several people mention the town of Stehekin.
Wasn't that the name of John Muirs' dog? If so, did he name it after the
town or vice versa? J.Co
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: guide books (Randy Forsland)
2. Re: guide books (Randy Forsland)
3. Re: guide books (Slyatpct@aol.com)
4. Re: So. Cal. Fire Status (Sean Crookham)
5. Re: guide books (Christopher Willett)
6. Re: off-topic: brown recluse spiders (Sean Crookham)
7. re: Guide Books (Paul Magnanti)
8. Re: guide books (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
9. Bounce boxes (maripper@mindspring.com)
10. Re: guide books (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
11. Sending cheese (Joanne Lennox)
12. Proposed re-supply (Shaw Manford)
13. Re: Proposed re-supply (Slyatpct@aol.com)
14. RE: guide books (Judson Brown)
15. RE: Proposed re-supply (Marge Prothman)
16. donna saufley (yogi yogi)
17. Re: Sending cheese (Marion Davison)
18. Re: Weather Log (Steve Peterson)
19. Hitch hiking (pmunson)
20. RE: Re-supply on the PCT - Time Wise (Scott Parks)
21. Weather Log - correction (Steve Peterson)
22. AZDPCTKO Date for 04 (Robert B Smith)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:05:58 -0800
From: "Randy Forsland" <randy_forsland@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
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The brief mention of the turbines is still 20 times larger than the
description of the 10 mile stretch.
I know its a 25 mile waterless stretch...it just would be nice to have a
more detailed description than:
" and then after a while you come to Golden Oak springs"
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> In a message dated 10/27/2003 10:26:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> randy_forsland@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > Case in point...From Hwy 58 to Golden Oaks spring. The last 10 miles of
> > this
> > hot, waterless stretch are particularly difficult...but the book uses
only
> > about 18 words to describe this 10 mile section...It describes few
landmarks
> > along the way..nothing to let you know exactly how close or how far you
are
> > from the water source...instead, it goes into a 1000 word diatribe on
the
> > new turbines that the windmill farm is using....
> > Totally worthless info...
> >
>
> You're exagerating the description in this section. Yes, there's brief
> mention of the turbines, but it's a 25 mile waterless section, plan
accordingly.
>
> I personally liked the "worthlesss info" ....
>
> Sly
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:11:21 -0800
From: "Randy Forsland" <randy_forsland@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
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Sure it does....
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> Get a grip. The world does not revolve around thru-hikers.
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:31:00 EST
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
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In a message dated 10/27/2003 1:15:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
randy_forsland@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> I know its a 25 mile waterless stretch...it just would be nice to have a
> more detailed description than:
> " and then after a while you come to Golden Oak springs"
Be nice to have a cheeseburger and fries when you arrive too!
Sly
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:58:20 -0800
From: "Sean Crookham" <scrookham@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] So. Cal. Fire Status
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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San Bernardino National Forest is now closed to all visitors indefinitely.
Residents of some communities are being allowed in. Many of the mountain
communities have been evacuated. I was up on the mountain helping to
coordinate evacuations last night. This is looks to be the big fire that all
of us associated with the San Bernardino National Forest have been dreading.
Forest Order No. 03-6 establishing temporary fire restrictions beginning
October 25, 2003 through the end of the fire season. In part, the Forest
Order states that due to extreme fire danger, going into or being upon any
area of the San Bernardino National Forest is prohibited. Violations are
punishable by fines and/or imprisonment. Persons exempt are any federal,
state, or local members of an organized rescue or firefighting force in
performance of official duty, and persons with a permit specifically
authorizing the prohibited activity.
If you have specific questions about this Forest Order, please call the
local US Forest Service office.
For more fire related information see http://www.incidentcontrol.com/
Sean Crookham
aka Tick
>From: Craig Milo Rogers <rogers@isi.edu>
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: [pct-l] So. Cal. Fire Status
>Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:15:51 -0800
>
> The Grand Prix fire, west of Cajon pass, is growing north and
>west. The Old fire (named after Old Waterman road or canyon, I
>expect) seems to be growing in all directions. The Los Angeles Times
>has a story in which a Forest Service ranger is quoted as saying that
>they expect the two fires to merge!!!
>
>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-102603fires_wr,1,6754725.story?coll=la
-home-headlines
>
> This is scary stuff. The Cajon Pass corridor is being
>evacuated (but not Wrightwood, yet). Lake Arrowhead is being
>evacuated. It appears that preparations are being made on the
>assumption that nothing will stop these two fires as they march north
>toward Wrightwood and Silverwood Lake, except for recent burns (such
>as last year's Blue Cut fire on the north portion of the Cajon Pass).
>
> My personal opinion is that if you know any hikers on the PCT,
>or on any forest trails between, say, Mount Wilson and Big Bear City
>(I see no reason why the the fire could not eventually reach Big Bear,
>BTW),
>
> GET THEM OFF THE TRAIL.
>
>If you can't contact them directly, contact the Forest Service with
>their presumed whereabouts.
>
> I dislike being so full of gloom and doom, but the smoke
>filling Southern California's sky is very, very gloom-and-doomy at the
>moment. The local segments of the PCT may look very different for
>next year's class, if the trail is open at all (the trail could be
>closed for rehabilitation under a worst-case scenario).
>
> Craig "Computer" Rogers
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:03:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Willett <chwillet@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
To: Slyatpct@aol.com
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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There was a hotdog vendor there this year when I rolled up with a large
crew of hungry thruhikers. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall
Special Agent eating 17.
Chris
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 Slyatpct@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/27/2003 1:15:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> randy_forsland@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > I know its a 25 mile waterless stretch...it just would be nice to have a
> > more detailed description than:
> > " and then after a while you come to Golden Oak springs"
>
> Be nice to have a cheeseburger and fries when you arrive too!
>
> Sly
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Indiana University
831 East Third Street
Bloomington, IN. 47405-7106
(812)-855-1883
chwillet@indiana.edu
mypage.iu.edu/~chwillet
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:54:06 -0800
From: "Sean Crookham" <scrookham@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] off-topic: brown recluse spiders
To: goforth@cio.net, yogilists@hotmail.com,
pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Brown Recluse Spiders are a smallish spider, usually about 1 cm in length.
Overall length with legs is perhaps 1 inch long. The violen shape appears on
the cephalothorax which is the combined head/thorax area of the spider and
not the underbelly or abdomen.
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/images/2061_2.jpg
Sean Crookham
>From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
>Reply-To: goforth@cio.net
>To: "yogi yogi" <yogilists@hotmail.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] off-topic: brown recluse spiders
>Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:01:16 -0700
>
>Depends on where you live, but even in warmer climes , which have this
>spider, even where they are frequent inside buildings, people are rarely
>bitten. As I remember, they have a characteristic marking on their
>underbelly (violin?). Size means nothing. They really are not aggressive,
>but their bite can be damaging.
>
>I would be more concerned about your apartment being sprayed that I would
>the spider. Chances are the spider just came in on a plant or something
>brought into the house. Check your screens, and under and behind couches,
>furniture to see if there is a pattern of entry, etc, Close the entrance
>pathway, and check behind things to see that there are no more, and you
>should be alright.
>
>Joanne
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:03:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] re: Guide Books
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>On the whole, I found the guidebooks fairly
>accurate. The main gripe I
>had was the authors' propensity to make a judgement
>as to the relative
>difficulty of a section. Again, though, this is
>personal preference.
This register entry from the CA/OR border may gain a
laugh from anyone who has used the PCT guide books:
http://gallery.backcountry.net/pmagspct02/aik?full=1
FWIW, I found them invaluable and well written
overall..but the register entry has a bit of truth in
it. :-)
Mags
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:35:09 EST
From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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In a message dated 10/27/2003 7:26:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
randy_forsland@hotmail.com writes describing the shortcomings of the guide
book:
>>>...From Hwy 58 to Golden Oaks spring. The last 10 miles of this
hot, waterless stretch are particularly difficult...but the book uses only
about 18 words to describe this 10 mile section...It describes few landmarks
along the way..nothing to let you know exactly how close or how far you are
from the water source...instead,>>>
On the other hand, there's not a lot to say. Walk uphill a lot, walk until
you run into a trough of full of water and dead bugs. Drink your fill.
No Way
Ray E
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:39:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: maripper@mindspring.com
Subject: [pct-l] Bounce boxes
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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One other advantage of the "bounce bucket" plan for those who are prone to
staying in town:
Fill it with ice & beer!
>Something to consider for those of you planning to use
>bounce boxes on a long hike: Don't use a box, use a
>bucket.
Ajax
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:39:56 EST
From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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In a message dated 10/27/2003 9:22:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
hiker@godlikebuthumble.com writes:
>>>The world does not revolve around thru-hikers>>>.
In my little delusional world it does.... and what else could matter? :c)
No Way
Ray E
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:53:27 -0800
From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Sending cheese
To: "Christopher Willett" <chwillet@indiana.edu>, "T Taylor"
<tltaylor1976@hotmail.com>
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I have been experimenting with sending cheese in my resupply boxes. I found
that the supply at most resupply points was either nonexistent to dismal,
so figured I did not have a lot to lose if the cheese went bad. I do not
remember a single package of my own that was bad; one sealed package of
cracker barrel was moldy in one box.
At first I used a Tilia sealer to seal the cheese; any sealer would
probably do. But later I found that any good, unused, unopenned plastic
bag was fine. Also, if you get a sealed package in the store, it seems to
work.
I like good sharp cheese. So I would get a large, 2 lb, sealed package of
Tillamook sharp cheese. I surface sterilized my cutting knife and cutting
board with a weak bleach solution ( alcohol would work too, as long as you
let it evaporate), wash my hands very well, and closed the windows so there
are no drafts. Lay out the plastic bags, put marks on the cheese wrapper
where you will cut it, then cut it quickly and put it in the plastic bags,
pressing most of the air out and sealing(tying a knot is fine). It is
important to get the cheese into the bag as soon as possible and not to
suck in air when you are sealing it. If you have fruit or bread go bad
very easily in your house, this will probably not work for you as the spore
load may be just too high.
If you get wedge shaped packages of Gorgonzola cheese, and leave it sealed,
it has its own culture of Penicillin which I have found gets more and more
interesting over time and perhaps in the special environment of a post
office. I just snipped off the very end of the package and sweezed the
contents onto a cracker.
I have had a cheese package in a resupply box for 2 months(snoqualmie),
and it was fine. I put the smaller cheese pacakages in the frig or
freezer, until I send the resupply box.
Joanne---------
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:28:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Shaw Manford <shawmanford@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Proposed re-supply
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For those who are interested, I have posted my proposed re-supply at my
on-line journal:
http://www.trailjournals.com/location.cfm?trailname=1752
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Subject: [pct-l] Angeles National Forest is CLOSED
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The Angeles National Forest is now CLOSED to visitors,
according to the hard-working folk at IncidentControl:
http://www.incidentcontrol.com/grandprix/index.html
http://www.incidentcontrol.com/old/index.html
Presumably, details will eventually on the Forest's Web site. Until
then, I suppose we should assume that the same rules apply as in
last year's fire hazard closure. This includes NO HIKING.
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:03:56 EST
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Proposed re-supply
To: shawmanford@yahoo.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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In a message dated 10/27/2003 8:47:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
shawmanford@yahoo.com writes:
> For those who are interested, I have posted my proposed re-supply at my
> on-line journal:
> <A
HREF="http://www.trailjournals.com/location.cfm?trailname=1752";>http://www.t
railjournals.com/location.cfm?trailname=1752</A>
>
I'd buy and mail all my intended mail drops for Oregon in Ashland, and all
my
Washington drops in Cascades locks.
And since you appear to be into hitching and checking out towns, you may
want
to go to Markleeville (J4) from Ebetts Pass between Sonora Pass and Echo
Lake. There's a very good resturaunt/bar, several stores, motel and PO
there,
etc.
Sly
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:04:27 -0800
From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] guide books
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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>From what I've seen of the guidebooks, going back to the early 90's,
neither
the content of the book nor the style used to express this content has
changed noticeably thus far. Schaeffer has written a guide book as he saw
fit to write it. And it doesn't look like he's gonna change how he does it
anytime soon.
First of all, imagine negotiating 2700 mi. without ANY guide book. Be
thankful there IS one to bitch about!
Secondly, carping about the books shortcomings- and every hiker will have a
different opinion regarding what these are- will not make the sunrises any
prettier, the streams any more refreshing, or the experience any more
enjoyable. Take what you like; ignore what you don't. If you think it
can/should be improved upon, do it yourself.
Judson
Ashland
Can't We Just All Get Along?=)
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:39:58 -0700
From: "Marge Prothman" <marge@prothman.org>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Proposed re-supply
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Hi There,
I did read your resupply with interest, was wondering why you had not sent a
resupply box to Stehekin? It is $26.00 each way on the ferry to Chelan and a
4 hour ride each way. We came back to Seattle that way after getting turned
back from Methow Pass to the Rainey Pass TH due to a fire. Then hiked south
to Stehekin and the ferry.
Cheers
Marge [The Old Gal]
http://www.prothman.org/marge
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Subject: [pct-l] Proposed re-supply
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:05:23 -0600
From: "yogi yogi" <yogilists@hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] donna saufley
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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sorry for the personal message on a public forum:
hey donna, can you please add my email addresses to your address book? I've
been trying to email you, but they keep getting bounced. you have some kind
of filter turned on. sure hope you're okay with all the fires.
if anyone else out there is already in donna's address book, please forward
this to her.
thanks!
yogi
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:08:45 -0800
From: Marion Davison <mardav@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sending cheese
To: goforth@cio.net, PCT List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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We have carried 1 oz individually vacuum packed mozarella string cheese for
up
to a month with no ill effects and no refrigeration. We started a trip with
two weeks worth, and left another three weeks in a cooler (no ice) in the
van
to pick up at resupply. It got sharper, but tasted fine to us. We never
saw
any spoilage.
With VVR charging $1 per stick, I am happy to pay the postage to mail some
to
myself. Please don't interpret this as an attack on VVR, I love the place
and
have spent plenty of money there happily. But I would rather spend money
for a
hot restaurant meal there than buy all the food I need for resupply.
Marion Davison
Joanne Lennox wrote:
> I have been experimenting with sending cheese in my resupply boxes. I
found
> that the supply at most resupply points was either nonexistent to dismal,
> so figured I did not have a lot to lose if the cheese went bad. I do not
> remember a single package of my own that was bad; one sealed package of
> cracker barrel was moldy in one box.
>
> At first I used a Tilia sealer to seal the cheese; any sealer would
> probably do. But later I found that any good, unused, unopenned plastic
> bag was fine. Also, if you get a sealed package in the store, it seems to
> work.
>
> I like good sharp cheese. So I would get a large, 2 lb, sealed package of
> Tillamook sharp cheese. I surface sterilized my cutting knife and cutting
> board with a weak bleach solution ( alcohol would work too, as long as you
> let it evaporate), wash my hands very well, and closed the windows so
there
> are no drafts. Lay out the plastic bags, put marks on the cheese wrapper
> where you will cut it, then cut it quickly and put it in the plastic bags,
> pressing most of the air out and sealing(tying a knot is fine). It is
> important to get the cheese into the bag as soon as possible and not to
> suck in air when you are sealing it. If you have fruit or bread go bad
> very easily in your house, this will probably not work for you as the
spore
> load may be just too high.
>
> If you get wedge shaped packages of Gorgonzola cheese, and leave it
sealed,
> it has its own culture of Penicillin which I have found gets more and more
> interesting over time and perhaps in the special environment of a post
> office. I just snipped off the very end of the package and sweezed the
> contents onto a cracker.
>
> I have had a cheese package in a resupply box for 2 months(snoqualmie),
> and it was fine. I put the smaller cheese pacakages in the frig or
> freezer, until I send the resupply box.
>
> Joanne---------
> >
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:23:18 -0800
From: Steve Peterson <steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather Log
To: Richard Hare <richard@hare22.demon.co.uk>, pctl
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <3F9DEF36.4090504@sbcglobal.net>
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This may be far more detailed info than you're looking for, but I have been
delving into the weather records located at
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/climsum.html
(Click on N. California, S. California, etc.). You need a good atlas that
will
give you some towns close to the trail, but with perseverence you can get
quite
detailed information. I haven't completed my investigation, but I can give
you
the following:
(The format is: the dates I looked at (roughly the dates a thru-hiker would
be
in the area), the name of weather station, the average high, +/- 2 standard
deviations, the low, +/- 2 standard deviations, and the chances of various
temps
around (just above, just below) freezing. All temps are in degrees F.)
Apr 25 - May 5 Campo, CA 74-76 +/- 20 deg, 38-40 +/- 12 deg 20-30% 29F, 10%
25F
May 5 - May 15 Warner Springs CA 75-77 +/- 16 deg, 36-38 +/- 8 deg, 20% 28F
May 5 - May 15 Idyllwild CA 67-69 +/- 18 deg, 37-39 +/- 8 deg, 50% 29F, 10%
24.5F
May 15 - May 25 Big Bear Lk CA 66-68 +/- 16 deg, 34-36 +/-5 deg, 70% 28.5F,
40%
25F, 10% 21F
May 25 - Jun 6 Sandberg CA 71-74 +/- 18 deg, 49-55 +/- 16 deg <10% 32.5F
May 25 - Jun 6 Tehachapi CA 73-76 +/- 18 deg, 47-49 +/- 13 deg <10% 32.5F
Jun 5 - Jun 15 Lodgepole CA 63-67 +/- 18 deg, 36-39 +/- 12 deg 40% 29F
Jul 1 - Jul 15 Truckee CA 78-82 +/- 12 deg, 40-42 +/- 12 deg, 10-20% 28.5F,
30-70% 32.5F
Jul 15 - Jul 30 Burney CA 87-89 +/- 14 deg, 42-44 +/- 13 deg, 20-50% 36.5F,
10%
32.5F
A few notes on the locations:
- Sandberg is located at the start of the trek along the aquaduct at about
mile 516. It should be representative of the desert stretch.
- Lodgepole isn't very close to the trail, but it's the only site for
which I
can find data at altitude near the start of the Sierras. It's at 6750'
elevation
in Sequoia National Park (on Hwy 198) and roughly at the same latitude as
Mt
Whitney (mile 760).
- Truckee is on I-80, just north of Lake Tahoe and is at 6,000' (mile
1153).
- Burney is at mile 1409 and about 3,000' elevation.
A few comments on temperatures:
- There is tremendous variation from year to year--averages mean almost
nothing. As you may know, statisticians measure variation using "standard
deviation". By definition one standard deviation includes 66% of the data
(33%
above the mean, 33% below) and two standard deviations include 95% of the
data.
The +/- numbers I quote above are TWO standard deviations. That means that
5% of
the time, the temperature will be MORE extreme than I've listed. As you can
see,
you'll have to prepare for quite a range.
- The geography doesn't make it easy for you to implement your strategy
(one,
which, BTW, I was hoping to utilize as well). South of the Sierras (i.e.,
from
mile 0 to mile 700), there are stretches of desert interspersed with
stretches
of mountains. My guess is you'll want a 20-25F bag for the mountainous
stretches
(San Jacintos, San Bernadinos) and just have to put up with carrying a few
extra
ounces through the warm southern sections where you may not need it.
I have yet to explore in detail the temps for much of Oregon/Washington, but
from what I've heard, people send their cold-weather bags north to Wash once
they get north of, say, Sierra City (mile 1191). I hope this helps; feel
free to
email me off list if you want more.
Richard Hare wrote:
> Hello
>
> Have any thru hikers kept a detailed log of weather conditions. I've just
> been looking at some returners photos and they all look dry and Sunny
(still
> I surpose not many hikers would get their cameras out in the rain! Duh!!)
> I'm particularly interested in minimum temperatures at night so I can work
> out a strategy for having warmer gear at cooler parts of the trail and
less
> gear at the warmer parts.
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:36:28 -0500
From: "pmunson" <pmunson@iglopu.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Hitch hiking
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <02af01c39bc6$29687f90$41de05c6@munsonswl0e4df>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
This year was my first backpacking experience and my first hitch hiking
experience. I had to hitch from Kennedy Meadows to Lone Pine approx. 65 road
miles. At first I was a bit doubtful. After meeting a nice couple in Kennedy
Meadows who drove me to a truck stop outside of Ridgecrest; and then,
meeting another couple with two boys who drove me to Lone Pine, my fears
were alleviated. After that first experience, it seemed like whenever I
needed a ride, one appeared with me meeting a new friend(s).
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:32:38 -0800
From: "Scott Parks" <stillroaming@earthlink.net>
Subject: [pct-l] RE: Re-supply on the PCT - Time Wise
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <001201c39c00$4cac5000$5e3ba5d1@zoot>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
The lease is not being renewed for Time Wise by DOT
(who owns the building) and is scheduled for closure in Sep '04.
'04 hikers should check with Time Wise before sending anything next year.
Scott Parks
>>
There's a huge caveat here: Don't worry about PO hours in any store unless
you have Delivery Confirmation, insurance or any USPS package that has a
number or needs a signature. I got in to Time Wise at 4PM on a Friday and
was unable to get most of my boxes until Monday (not early). I did get to
visit Seattle as a consolation prize.
<<
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:39:20 -0800
From: Steve Peterson <steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Weather Log - correction
To: richard@hare22.demon.co.uk, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <3F9E7188.900@sbcglobal.net>
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I see that I mistyped three entries. I typed the number for one standard
deviation, not 2 in my original message.Grrr. Thus, the minimum temps for
Warner
Springs, Idyllwild and Big Bear Lk should be +/ 16 deg (not 8), +/- 16 deg
(not
8) and +/- 10 deg (not 5). Sorry for the mistake.
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:56:08 -0600
From: "Robert B Smith" <rsmithat99@cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] AZDPCTKO Date for 04
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <000801c39d7c$ca649200$b23e0144@pn.at.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Has a date for the AZDPCTKO been set yet or is it still too early ?.
Can you get the water cache info without attending the Kickoff ?.
Thanks
Waterboy
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