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[pct-l] RE: pct-l Digest, Vol 6, Issue 29-Stehekin
I think his dog was named Stikine, the name of a major river in
British Columbia in northern BC. I've done a couple of longer
mountaineering trips in the area. Very hard, very remote, super
wild.
Chris
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, John Coyle wrote:
>
> I realize this is a major non sequiter, and a rather scatterbrained
> question, but I have heard several people mention the town of Stehekin.
> Wasn't that the name of John Muirs' dog? If so, did he name it after the
> town or vice versa? J.Co
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> 1. Re: guide books (Randy Forsland)
> 2. Re: guide books (Randy Forsland)
> 3. Re: guide books (Slyatpct@aol.com)
> 4. Re: So. Cal. Fire Status (Sean Crookham)
> 5. Re: guide books (Christopher Willett)
> 6. Re: off-topic: brown recluse spiders (Sean Crookham)
> 7. re: Guide Books (Paul Magnanti)
> 8. Re: guide books (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
> 9. Bounce boxes (maripper@mindspring.com)
> 10. Re: guide books (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
> 11. Sending cheese (Joanne Lennox)
> 12. Proposed re-supply (Shaw Manford)
> 13. Re: Proposed re-supply (Slyatpct@aol.com)
> 14. RE: guide books (Judson Brown)
> 15. RE: Proposed re-supply (Marge Prothman)
> 16. donna saufley (yogi yogi)
> 17. Re: Sending cheese (Marion Davison)
> 18. Re: Weather Log (Steve Peterson)
> 19. Hitch hiking (pmunson)
> 20. RE: Re-supply on the PCT - Time Wise (Scott Parks)
> 21. Weather Log - correction (Steve Peterson)
> 22. AZDPCTKO Date for 04 (Robert B Smith)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:05:58 -0800
> From: "Randy Forsland" <randy_forsland@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> The brief mention of the turbines is still 20 times larger than the
> description of the 10 mile stretch.
>
> I know its a 25 mile waterless stretch...it just would be nice to have a
> more detailed description than:
> " and then after a while you come to Golden Oak springs"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Slyatpct@AOL.COM>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
>
>
> > In a message dated 10/27/2003 10:26:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > randy_forsland@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> > > Case in point...From Hwy 58 to Golden Oaks spring. The last 10 miles of
> > > this
> > > hot, waterless stretch are particularly difficult...but the book uses
> only
> > > about 18 words to describe this 10 mile section...It describes few
> landmarks
> > > along the way..nothing to let you know exactly how close or how far you
> are
> > > from the water source...instead, it goes into a 1000 word diatribe on
> the
> > > new turbines that the windmill farm is using....
> > > Totally worthless info...
> > >
> >
> > You're exagerating the description in this section. Yes, there's brief
> > mention of the turbines, but it's a 25 mile waterless section, plan
> accordingly.
> >
> > I personally liked the "worthlesss info" ....
> >
> > Sly
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:11:21 -0800
> From: "Randy Forsland" <randy_forsland@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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>
> Sure it does....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hiker" <hiker@godlikebuthumble.com>
> > Get a grip. The world does not revolve around thru-hikers.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:31:00 EST
> From: Slyatpct@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> In a message dated 10/27/2003 1:15:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> randy_forsland@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > I know its a 25 mile waterless stretch...it just would be nice to have a
> > more detailed description than:
> > " and then after a while you come to Golden Oak springs"
>
> Be nice to have a cheeseburger and fries when you arrive too!
>
> Sly
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:58:20 -0800
> From: "Sean Crookham" <scrookham@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] So. Cal. Fire Status
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> San Bernardino National Forest is now closed to all visitors indefinitely.
> Residents of some communities are being allowed in. Many of the mountain
> communities have been evacuated. I was up on the mountain helping to
> coordinate evacuations last night. This is looks to be the big fire that all
>
> of us associated with the San Bernardino National Forest have been dreading.
>
> Forest Order No. 03-6 establishing temporary fire restrictions beginning
> October 25, 2003 through the end of the fire season. In part, the Forest
> Order states that due to extreme fire danger, going into or being upon any
> area of the San Bernardino National Forest is prohibited. Violations are
> punishable by fines and/or imprisonment. Persons exempt are any federal,
> state, or local members of an organized rescue or firefighting force in
> performance of official duty, and persons with a permit specifically
> authorizing the prohibited activity.
>
> If you have specific questions about this Forest Order, please call the
> local US Forest Service office.
>
> For more fire related information see http://www.incidentcontrol.com/
>
> Sean Crookham
> aka Tick
>
>
>
> >From: Craig Milo Rogers <rogers@isi.edu>
> >To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> >Subject: [pct-l] So. Cal. Fire Status
> >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:15:51 -0800
> >
> > The Grand Prix fire, west of Cajon pass, is growing north and
> >west. The Old fire (named after Old Waterman road or canyon, I
> >expect) seems to be growing in all directions. The Los Angeles Times
> >has a story in which a Forest Service ranger is quoted as saying that
> >they expect the two fires to merge!!!
> >
> >http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-102603fires_wr,1,6754725.story?coll=la
> -home-headlines
> >
> > This is scary stuff. The Cajon Pass corridor is being
> >evacuated (but not Wrightwood, yet). Lake Arrowhead is being
> >evacuated. It appears that preparations are being made on the
> >assumption that nothing will stop these two fires as they march north
> >toward Wrightwood and Silverwood Lake, except for recent burns (such
> >as last year's Blue Cut fire on the north portion of the Cajon Pass).
> >
> > My personal opinion is that if you know any hikers on the PCT,
> >or on any forest trails between, say, Mount Wilson and Big Bear City
> >(I see no reason why the the fire could not eventually reach Big Bear,
> >BTW),
> >
> > GET THEM OFF THE TRAIL.
> >
> >If you can't contact them directly, contact the Forest Service with
> >their presumed whereabouts.
> >
> > I dislike being so full of gloom and doom, but the smoke
> >filling Southern California's sky is very, very gloom-and-doomy at the
> >moment. The local segments of the PCT may look very different for
> >next year's class, if the trail is open at all (the trail could be
> >closed for rehabilitation under a worst-case scenario).
> >
> > Craig "Computer" Rogers
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:03:43 -0500 (EST)
> From: Christopher Willett <chwillet@indiana.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
> To: Slyatpct@aol.com
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> There was a hotdog vendor there this year when I rolled up with a large
> crew of hungry thruhikers. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall
> Special Agent eating 17.
>
> Chris
>
> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 Slyatpct@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 10/27/2003 1:15:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > randy_forsland@hotmail.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > I know its a 25 mile waterless stretch...it just would be nice to have a
> > > more detailed description than:
> > > " and then after a while you come to Golden Oak springs"
> >
> > Be nice to have a cheeseburger and fries when you arrive too!
> >
> > Sly
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> >
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>
> ----------------------
> Christopher Willett
> Department of Mathematics
> Indiana University
> 831 East Third Street
> Bloomington, IN. 47405-7106
> (812)-855-1883
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:54:06 -0800
> From: "Sean Crookham" <scrookham@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] off-topic: brown recluse spiders
> To: goforth@cio.net, yogilists@hotmail.com,
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <Law15-F93SWE3tZrZ3d00032d45@hotmail.com>
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> Brown Recluse Spiders are a smallish spider, usually about 1 cm in length.
> Overall length with legs is perhaps 1 inch long. The violen shape appears on
>
> the cephalothorax which is the combined head/thorax area of the spider and
> not the underbelly or abdomen.
>
> http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/images/2061_2.jpg
>
> Sean Crookham
>
>
> >From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
> >Reply-To: goforth@cio.net
> >To: "yogi yogi" <yogilists@hotmail.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] off-topic: brown recluse spiders
> >Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:01:16 -0700
> >
> >Depends on where you live, but even in warmer climes , which have this
> >spider, even where they are frequent inside buildings, people are rarely
> >bitten. As I remember, they have a characteristic marking on their
> >underbelly (violin?). Size means nothing. They really are not aggressive,
> >but their bite can be damaging.
> >
> >I would be more concerned about your apartment being sprayed that I would
> >the spider. Chances are the spider just came in on a plant or something
> >brought into the house. Check your screens, and under and behind couches,
> >furniture to see if there is a pattern of entry, etc, Close the entrance
> >pathway, and check behind things to see that there are no more, and you
> >should be alright.
> >
> >Joanne
> >
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:03:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] re: Guide Books
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20031027230319.64209.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> >On the whole, I found the guidebooks fairly
> >accurate. The main gripe I
> >had was the authors' propensity to make a judgement
> >as to the relative
> >difficulty of a section. Again, though, this is
> >personal preference.
>
> This register entry from the CA/OR border may gain a
> laugh from anyone who has used the PCT guide books:
> http://gallery.backcountry.net/pmagspct02/aik?full=1
>
> FWIW, I found them invaluable and well written
> overall..but the register entry has a bit of truth in
> it. :-)
>
> Mags
>
>
> =====
> ************************************************************
> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust caught, a
> portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:35:09 EST
> From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <10c.2b3e04b8.2ccf05ad@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> In a message dated 10/27/2003 7:26:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> randy_forsland@hotmail.com writes describing the shortcomings of the guide
> book:
> >>>...From Hwy 58 to Golden Oaks spring. The last 10 miles of this
> hot, waterless stretch are particularly difficult...but the book uses only
> about 18 words to describe this 10 mile section...It describes few landmarks
> along the way..nothing to let you know exactly how close or how far you are
> from the water source...instead,>>>
>
> On the other hand, there's not a lot to say. Walk uphill a lot, walk until
> you run into a trough of full of water and dead bugs. Drink your fill.
>
> No Way
> Ray E
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:39:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: maripper@mindspring.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Bounce boxes
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <33527209.1067297968664.JavaMail.root@wamui03.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> One other advantage of the "bounce bucket" plan for those who are prone to
> staying in town:
> Fill it with ice & beer!
>
> >Something to consider for those of you planning to use
> >bounce boxes on a long hike: Don't use a box, use a
> >bucket.
>
> Ajax
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:39:56 EST
> From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] guide books
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> In a message dated 10/27/2003 9:22:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> hiker@godlikebuthumble.com writes:
> >>>The world does not revolve around thru-hikers>>>.
>
> In my little delusional world it does.... and what else could matter? :c)
>
> No Way
> Ray E
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:53:27 -0800
> From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Sending cheese
> To: "Christopher Willett" <chwillet@indiana.edu>, "T Taylor"
> <tltaylor1976@hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <200310280158.h9S1wTft030020@cnwmail.isomedia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I have been experimenting with sending cheese in my resupply boxes. I found
> that the supply at most resupply points was either nonexistent to dismal,
> so figured I did not have a lot to lose if the cheese went bad. I do not
> remember a single package of my own that was bad; one sealed package of
> cracker barrel was moldy in one box.
>
> At first I used a Tilia sealer to seal the cheese; any sealer would
> probably do. But later I found that any good, unused, unopenned plastic
> bag was fine. Also, if you get a sealed package in the store, it seems to
> work.
>
> I like good sharp cheese. So I would get a large, 2 lb, sealed package of
> Tillamook sharp cheese. I surface sterilized my cutting knife and cutting
> board with a weak bleach solution ( alcohol would work too, as long as you
> let it evaporate), wash my hands very well, and closed the windows so there
> are no drafts. Lay out the plastic bags, put marks on the cheese wrapper
> where you will cut it, then cut it quickly and put it in the plastic bags,
> pressing most of the air out and sealing(tying a knot is fine). It is
> important to get the cheese into the bag as soon as possible and not to
> suck in air when you are sealing it. If you have fruit or bread go bad
> very easily in your house, this will probably not work for you as the spore
> load may be just too high.
>
> If you get wedge shaped packages of Gorgonzola cheese, and leave it sealed,
> it has its own culture of Penicillin which I have found gets more and more
> interesting over time and perhaps in the special environment of a post
> office. I just snipped off the very end of the package and sweezed the
> contents onto a cracker.
>
> I have had a cheese package in a resupply box for 2 months(snoqualmie),
> and it was fine. I put the smaller cheese pacakages in the frig or
> freezer, until I send the resupply box.
>
> Joanne---------
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:28:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Shaw Manford <shawmanford@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Proposed re-supply
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20031028012833.20653.qmail@web20513.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> For those who are interested, I have posted my proposed re-supply at my
> on-line journal:
> http://www.trailjournals.com/location.cfm?trailname=1752
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:54:20 -0800
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> Subject: [pct-l] Angeles National Forest is CLOSED
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> The Angeles National Forest is now CLOSED to visitors,
> according to the hard-working folk at IncidentControl:
>
> http://www.incidentcontrol.com/grandprix/index.html
> http://www.incidentcontrol.com/old/index.html
>
> Presumably, details will eventually on the Forest's Web site. Until
> then, I suppose we should assume that the same rules apply as in
> last year's fire hazard closure. This includes NO HIKING.
>
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/
>
> Craig "Computer" Rogers
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:03:56 EST
> From: Slyatpct@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Proposed re-supply
> To: shawmanford@yahoo.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> In a message dated 10/27/2003 8:47:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> shawmanford@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > For those who are interested, I have posted my proposed re-supply at my
> > on-line journal:
> > <A
> HREF="http://www.trailjournals.com/location.cfm?trailname=1752";>http://www.t
> railjournals.com/location.cfm?trailname=1752</A>
> >
>
> I'd buy and mail all my intended mail drops for Oregon in Ashland, and all
> my
> Washington drops in Cascades locks.
>
> And since you appear to be into hitching and checking out towns, you may
> want
> to go to Markleeville (J4) from Ebetts Pass between Sonora Pass and Echo
> Lake. There's a very good resturaunt/bar, several stores, motel and PO
> there,
> etc.
>
> Sly
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:04:27 -0800
> From: "Judson Brown" <judsonb@internetcds.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] guide books
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000201c39cf7$d1e66ba0$2d57f142@pounder>
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>
> >From what I've seen of the guidebooks, going back to the early 90's,
> neither
> the content of the book nor the style used to express this content has
> changed noticeably thus far. Schaeffer has written a guide book as he saw
> fit to write it. And it doesn't look like he's gonna change how he does it
> anytime soon.
>
> First of all, imagine negotiating 2700 mi. without ANY guide book. Be
> thankful there IS one to bitch about!
>
> Secondly, carping about the books shortcomings- and every hiker will have a
> different opinion regarding what these are- will not make the sunrises any
> prettier, the streams any more refreshing, or the experience any more
> enjoyable. Take what you like; ignore what you don't. If you think it
> can/should be improved upon, do it yourself.
>
> Judson
> Ashland
> Can't We Just All Get Along?=)
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:39:58 -0700
> From: "Marge Prothman" <marge@prothman.org>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Proposed re-supply
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Hi There,
> I did read your resupply with interest, was wondering why you had not sent a
> resupply box to Stehekin? It is $26.00 each way on the ferry to Chelan and a
> 4 hour ride each way. We came back to Seattle that way after getting turned
> back from Methow Pass to the Rainey Pass TH due to a fire. Then hiked south
> to Stehekin and the ferry.
>
> Cheers
> Marge [The Old Gal]
> http://www.prothman.org/marge
>
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> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Shaw Manford
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:29 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Proposed re-supply
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> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:05:23 -0600
> From: "yogi yogi" <yogilists@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] donna saufley
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> sorry for the personal message on a public forum:
>
> hey donna, can you please add my email addresses to your address book? I've
>
> been trying to email you, but they keep getting bounced. you have some kind
>
> of filter turned on. sure hope you're okay with all the fires.
>
> if anyone else out there is already in donna's address book, please forward
> this to her.
>
> thanks!
>
> yogi
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:08:45 -0800
> From: Marion Davison <mardav@charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sending cheese
> To: goforth@cio.net, PCT List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> We have carried 1 oz individually vacuum packed mozarella string cheese for
> up
> to a month with no ill effects and no refrigeration. We started a trip with
> two weeks worth, and left another three weeks in a cooler (no ice) in the
> van
> to pick up at resupply. It got sharper, but tasted fine to us. We never
> saw
> any spoilage.
> With VVR charging $1 per stick, I am happy to pay the postage to mail some
> to
> myself. Please don't interpret this as an attack on VVR, I love the place
> and
> have spent plenty of money there happily. But I would rather spend money
> for a
> hot restaurant meal there than buy all the food I need for resupply.
> Marion Davison
>
> Joanne Lennox wrote:
>
> > I have been experimenting with sending cheese in my resupply boxes. I
> found
> > that the supply at most resupply points was either nonexistent to dismal,
> > so figured I did not have a lot to lose if the cheese went bad. I do not
> > remember a single package of my own that was bad; one sealed package of
> > cracker barrel was moldy in one box.
> >
> > At first I used a Tilia sealer to seal the cheese; any sealer would
> > probably do. But later I found that any good, unused, unopenned plastic
> > bag was fine. Also, if you get a sealed package in the store, it seems to
> > work.
> >
> > I like good sharp cheese. So I would get a large, 2 lb, sealed package of
> > Tillamook sharp cheese. I surface sterilized my cutting knife and cutting
> > board with a weak bleach solution ( alcohol would work too, as long as you
> > let it evaporate), wash my hands very well, and closed the windows so
> there
> > are no drafts. Lay out the plastic bags, put marks on the cheese wrapper
> > where you will cut it, then cut it quickly and put it in the plastic bags,
> > pressing most of the air out and sealing(tying a knot is fine). It is
> > important to get the cheese into the bag as soon as possible and not to
> > suck in air when you are sealing it. If you have fruit or bread go bad
> > very easily in your house, this will probably not work for you as the
> spore
> > load may be just too high.
> >
> > If you get wedge shaped packages of Gorgonzola cheese, and leave it
> sealed,
> > it has its own culture of Penicillin which I have found gets more and more
> > interesting over time and perhaps in the special environment of a post
> > office. I just snipped off the very end of the package and sweezed the
> > contents onto a cracker.
> >
> > I have had a cheese package in a resupply box for 2 months(snoqualmie),
> > and it was fine. I put the smaller cheese pacakages in the frig or
> > freezer, until I send the resupply box.
> >
> > Joanne---------
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> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:23:18 -0800
> From: Steve Peterson <steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather Log
> To: Richard Hare <richard@hare22.demon.co.uk>, pctl
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> This may be far more detailed info than you're looking for, but I have been
> delving into the weather records located at
> http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/climsum.html
> (Click on N. California, S. California, etc.). You need a good atlas that
> will
> give you some towns close to the trail, but with perseverence you can get
> quite
> detailed information. I haven't completed my investigation, but I can give
> you
> the following:
>
> (The format is: the dates I looked at (roughly the dates a thru-hiker would
> be
> in the area), the name of weather station, the average high, +/- 2 standard
> deviations, the low, +/- 2 standard deviations, and the chances of various
> temps
> around (just above, just below) freezing. All temps are in degrees F.)
>
>
> Apr 25 - May 5 Campo, CA 74-76 +/- 20 deg, 38-40 +/- 12 deg 20-30% 29F, 10%
> 25F
> May 5 - May 15 Warner Springs CA 75-77 +/- 16 deg, 36-38 +/- 8 deg, 20% 28F
> May 5 - May 15 Idyllwild CA 67-69 +/- 18 deg, 37-39 +/- 8 deg, 50% 29F, 10%
> 24.5F
> May 15 - May 25 Big Bear Lk CA 66-68 +/- 16 deg, 34-36 +/-5 deg, 70% 28.5F,
> 40%
> 25F, 10% 21F
> May 25 - Jun 6 Sandberg CA 71-74 +/- 18 deg, 49-55 +/- 16 deg <10% 32.5F
> May 25 - Jun 6 Tehachapi CA 73-76 +/- 18 deg, 47-49 +/- 13 deg <10% 32.5F
> Jun 5 - Jun 15 Lodgepole CA 63-67 +/- 18 deg, 36-39 +/- 12 deg 40% 29F
> Jul 1 - Jul 15 Truckee CA 78-82 +/- 12 deg, 40-42 +/- 12 deg, 10-20% 28.5F,
> 30-70% 32.5F
> Jul 15 - Jul 30 Burney CA 87-89 +/- 14 deg, 42-44 +/- 13 deg, 20-50% 36.5F,
> 10%
> 32.5F
>
> A few notes on the locations:
> - Sandberg is located at the start of the trek along the aquaduct at about
>
> mile 516. It should be representative of the desert stretch.
> - Lodgepole isn't very close to the trail, but it's the only site for
> which I
> can find data at altitude near the start of the Sierras. It's at 6750'
> elevation
> in Sequoia National Park (on Hwy 198) and roughly at the same latitude as
> Mt
> Whitney (mile 760).
> - Truckee is on I-80, just north of Lake Tahoe and is at 6,000' (mile
> 1153).
> - Burney is at mile 1409 and about 3,000' elevation.
>
> A few comments on temperatures:
> - There is tremendous variation from year to year--averages mean almost
> nothing. As you may know, statisticians measure variation using "standard
> deviation". By definition one standard deviation includes 66% of the data
> (33%
> above the mean, 33% below) and two standard deviations include 95% of the
> data.
> The +/- numbers I quote above are TWO standard deviations. That means that
> 5% of
> the time, the temperature will be MORE extreme than I've listed. As you can
> see,
> you'll have to prepare for quite a range.
> - The geography doesn't make it easy for you to implement your strategy
> (one,
> which, BTW, I was hoping to utilize as well). South of the Sierras (i.e.,
> from
> mile 0 to mile 700), there are stretches of desert interspersed with
> stretches
> of mountains. My guess is you'll want a 20-25F bag for the mountainous
> stretches
> (San Jacintos, San Bernadinos) and just have to put up with carrying a few
> extra
> ounces through the warm southern sections where you may not need it.
>
> I have yet to explore in detail the temps for much of Oregon/Washington, but
>
> from what I've heard, people send their cold-weather bags north to Wash once
>
> they get north of, say, Sierra City (mile 1191). I hope this helps; feel
> free to
> email me off list if you want more.
>
> Richard Hare wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > Have any thru hikers kept a detailed log of weather conditions. I've just
> > been looking at some returners photos and they all look dry and Sunny
> (still
> > I surpose not many hikers would get their cameras out in the rain! Duh!!)
> > I'm particularly interested in minimum temperatures at night so I can work
> > out a strategy for having warmer gear at cooler parts of the trail and
> less
> > gear at the warmer parts.
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:36:28 -0500
> From: "pmunson" <pmunson@iglopu.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hitch hiking
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> This year was my first backpacking experience and my first hitch hiking
> experience. I had to hitch from Kennedy Meadows to Lone Pine approx. 65 road
> miles. At first I was a bit doubtful. After meeting a nice couple in Kennedy
> Meadows who drove me to a truck stop outside of Ridgecrest; and then,
> meeting another couple with two boys who drove me to Lone Pine, my fears
> were alleviated. After that first experience, it seemed like whenever I
> needed a ride, one appeared with me meeting a new friend(s).
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:32:38 -0800
> From: "Scott Parks" <stillroaming@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] RE: Re-supply on the PCT - Time Wise
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> The lease is not being renewed for Time Wise by DOT
> (who owns the building) and is scheduled for closure in Sep '04.
>
> '04 hikers should check with Time Wise before sending anything next year.
>
> Scott Parks
>
> >>
> There's a huge caveat here: Don't worry about PO hours in any store unless
> you have Delivery Confirmation, insurance or any USPS package that has a
> number or needs a signature. I got in to Time Wise at 4PM on a Friday and
> was unable to get most of my boxes until Monday (not early). I did get to
> visit Seattle as a consolation prize.
> <<
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:39:20 -0800
> From: Steve Peterson <steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Weather Log - correction
> To: richard@hare22.demon.co.uk, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> I see that I mistyped three entries. I typed the number for one standard
> deviation, not 2 in my original message.Grrr. Thus, the minimum temps for
> Warner
> Springs, Idyllwild and Big Bear Lk should be +/ 16 deg (not 8), +/- 16 deg
> (not
> 8) and +/- 10 deg (not 5). Sorry for the mistake.
>
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:56:08 -0600
> From: "Robert B Smith" <rsmithat99@cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] AZDPCTKO Date for 04
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Has a date for the AZDPCTKO been set yet or is it still too early ?.
> Can you get the water cache info without attending the Kickoff ?.
>
> Thanks
> Waterboy
>
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