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- Subject: [pct-l] affording a thru-hike
- From: aandg at telusplanet.net (Alistair & Gail Des Moulins)
- Date: Fri Nov 19 11:56:12 2004
- References: <20041118181638.D49931CF46@edina.hack.net>
As I've not seen any dollar amounts for the cost of a thru hike in this
thread I thought I'd let you know how much it cost for our thru hike in
2003.
I'm not including equipment as most of it we already had and still use. The
only items we each specifically bought for the trip were Marmot Helium
sleeping bags, lightweight ice axes and 2 pairs of boots. These items cost
us about $660 each. The sleeping bags and ice axes have been used quite a
bit since the trip.
Here are the numbers for the other items to the nearest dollar:
$2241 Groceries and fuel (virtually all bought from stores along the route)
$607 Restaurant meals and in town food.
$159 Hotel, hostel and campsite fees (South Lake Tahoe, Ashland and Seiad
Valley)
$602 Bus transportation from home to trail and from trail to home and
Stehekin bus.
$70 Mailing costs
$3679 is the total for 2 people. So about $1840 each which is about $10 each
per day for our 6 month journey.
Alistair
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> 1. Bush is my shepherd (Lars Nilsson)
> 2. the wire story on Scott Williamson (David Plotnikoff)
> 3. Re: Bush is my shepherd (Bluce Ree)
> 4. Re: the wire story on Scott Williamson (dsaufley@sprynet.com)
> 5. RE: Portable Word Processing Device (John Coyle)
> 6. RE: Bush is my shepherd (Michael Lissner)
> 7. Admin Note - Off Topic: Re: [pct-l] Bush is my shepherd
> (PCT-L Admin)
> 8. Re: Bush is my shepherd (Bighummel@aol.com)
> 9. Politics and the PCT (Chuckie V)
> 10. Scott's yo-yo (JoAnn M. Michael)
> 11. Re: Politics and the PCT (PCT-L Admin)
> 12. Who is thru hiking in '05? (SD Ghost)
> 13. Thru-hikers and finish dates (Dan and Nina Rogers)
> 14. RE: affording a thru-hike (Dan and Nina Rogers)
> 15. RE: affording a thru-hike (Chris Willett)
> 16. RE: PCT-L wiki (dude)
> 17. Re: PCT-L wiki (dude)
> 18. Re: Who is thru hiking in '05? (leo-spencer@comcast.net)
> 19. Re: affording a thru-hike (Jeff Moorehead)
> 20. More quotes (Bighummel@aol.com)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:09:36 -0800
> From: "Lars Nilsson" <lars@standardarmament.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Bush is my shepherd
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Bush is my shepherd; I dwell in want.
>
> >He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests.
>
> >He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness.
>
> >He restoreth my fears.
>
> >He leadeth me in the paths of international disgrace for his ego's
> sake.
>
> >Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war,I will find
>
> >no exit, for thou art in office. Thy tax cuts for the rich and thy
>
> >media control, they discomfort me. Thou preparest an agenda of
>
> >deception in the presence of thy religion. Thou anointest my head with
>
> >foreign oil. My health insurance runneth out.
>
> >Surely megalomania and false patriotism shall follow me all the days of
> thy term,
>
> >And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever.
>
> Bush is my President and even though I voted for him I will not follow
> him like a lamb.
> I too "dwell in want" because that is the human condition. We try to
> harmoniously balance our "wants" with the NEEDS of those we are
> obligated to (spouse, children, parents, tax-collecting governmental
> entities, etc.) and our own needs. If you are not in want, you are
> either dead physically or spiritually.
> I wish he had started cutting the bark beetle infested trees in SoCal
> before they burned and destroyed hundreds of homes last year. The NFS
> has to balance the "wants" of a plethora of groups. Considering that
> the logging industry is at most a quarter of the size it was a
> generation ago, I suspect there are still a few trees standing
> somewhere.
> As a backpacker, I enjoy wilderness as much as anyone and have spent
> some time in wilderness in CA and Montana over the past several years.
> I haven't seen a truck yet, but maybe others on this list have.
> What "fears"?
> I was born in Sweden, and all my extended family still lives there.
> Frankly, I don't give a damn what any of them think of the US. Thirty
> years ago Swedes were all blonde and blue eyed. Now with 10% of the
> population foreign born, they are concerned about immigration and
> preserving Swedish values. Sixty years ago they allowed Nazi troop
> trains to use their rail system so Norwegians could be slaughtered.
> Don't get me started on the French and Germans.
> "Valley of pollution" - forty years ago as a child in Los Angeles I
> remember my lungs burning often from smog when hiking in the hills or
> playing baseball. My kids have only experienced that problem once or
> twice in their lives, despite the population being more than double what
> it was back then.
> "Thou annointest my head with foreign oil". I'm SHOCKED to hear that we
> are importing oil into this country. This must have just begun after
> Jan. 20, 2001! Does the press know yet?
> "My health insurance runneth out". Move to a smaller home; drive a more
> frugal car; cut out the lattes; stop smoking; get a cheaper cel phone
> plan; drop your cable TV and internet subscriptions; keep the pc one or
> two generations longer; postpone the thru-hike until you have provided
> for your family. If health insurance is not a top priority of yours,
> why do you think it should be the government's?
> "My jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever". Since this is a
> paraphrase of the 23rd Psalm, I suggest you turn to the book of
> Proverbs. Chapter 22, Verse 6 says, "Train up a child in the way he
> should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it." As a parent,
> my job is to train up good, moral, self-sufficient children. With one
> of the lowest unemployment levels in our nation's history, maybe you
> should get your kid the classified section everyday until he gets off
> his butt and looks for work!
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Lars Nilsson
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:24:23 -0800
> From: David Plotnikoff <david@emeraldlake.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] the wire story on Scott Williamson
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <v04011700bdc163a4a2c9@[192.168.1.100]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Here's the AP story that moved yesterday.
>
> BC-WST--Hike Completed,320
> Tree-trimmer believed to be first to complete roundtrip hike
> of Pacific Crest Trail
>
> LOS ANGELES (AP) ... A self-employed tree trimmer from Santa
> Cruz is believed to be the first person to complete a
> roundtrip hike of the Pacific Crest Trail connecting Mexico
> with Canada, one of the longest continuous backpacking routes
> in the United States.
>
> Scott Williamson, 32, completed the 5,300-mile hike on
> Saturday after 6" months, he said Tuesday in a phone
> interview from a friend's San Diego home. The trail, 2,650
> miles in one direction, stretches from the Mexican border to
> the Canadian border.
>
> ""It's very satisfying. My goal wasn't to become the first
> person, it was to achieve a personal goal,'' he said. ""I'm
> sort of still living in the twilight zone because I've been
> living in the woods for the past 6" months.''
>
> Angela Bassett, publications manager for the Pacific Crest
> Trail Association, said as far as the association knows
> Williamson is the first person to complete the roundtrip hike
> ... also called a ""yo-yo.''
>
> Bassett, who herself wrote a romantic comedy about hiking
> 2,300 miles of the trail with her husband, said Williamson's
> time of 6" months is extraordinary ... but also the key to his
> success.
>
> ""It's important for someone trying to do a yo-yo to go
> fast because on the way back down (from Canada) you have to
> be concerned with early snow in the Sierra Nevada
> mountains,'' she said.
>
> Williamson wore running shoes during his trek and
> restocked his lightweight pack by picking up 42 pre-packed
> boxes his father mailed to post offices along the route.
>
> Williamson had made three attempts at the roundtrip hike
> in the past eight years. Two times early snow forced him to
> give up and a third time he arrived at the Canadian border
> too late in the season to turn around. This time he started
> in Mexico on April 22.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:40:45 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bluce Ree <bluceree_superstar@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bush is my shepherd
> To: Lars Nilsson <lars@standardarmament.com>,
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20041117204045.8511.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I'd love to take the politically correct high road and
> say "take it to a political discussion board"... nahh.
>
> Since war is such a drastic and unrealistic solution
> (yet it happens) why not look to the unrealistic (and
> obvious) solutions:
>
> 1. Ban all newly produced petroleum based products.
> 2. Religion and State keep separate (the great
> loophole)
> 3. Stop using that car. NOW. And don't even tell me
> you're driving an SUV!
>
> The future belongs to the consumer. What are you gonna
> to do about it CONSUMER?
>
> aloha, Bluce Ree
>
> PS-Remember what america's biggest pop star once said:
> "If you want to make the world a better place take a
> look at yourself and make the change." <lol> See you
> in Neverland!
>
> --- Lars Nilsson <lars@standardarmament.com> wrote:
>
> > Bush is my shepherd; I dwell in want.
> >
> > >He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests.
> >
> > >He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness.
> >
> > >He restoreth my fears.
> >
> > >He leadeth me in the paths of international
> > disgrace for his ego's
> > sake.
> >
> > >Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution
> > and war,I will find
> >
> > >no exit, for thou art in office. Thy tax cuts for
> > the rich and thy
> >
> > >media control, they discomfort me. Thou preparest
> > an agenda of
> >
> > >deception in the presence of thy religion. Thou
> > anointest my head with
> >
> > >foreign oil. My health insurance runneth out.
> >
> > >Surely megalomania and false patriotism shall
> > follow me all the days of
> > thy term,
> >
> > >And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement
> > forever.
> >
> > Bush is my President and even though I voted for him
> > I will not follow
> > him like a lamb.
> > I too "dwell in want" because that is the human
> > condition. We try to
> > harmoniously balance our "wants" with the NEEDS of
> > those we are
> > obligated to (spouse, children, parents,
> > tax-collecting governmental
> > entities, etc.) and our own needs. If you are not
> > in want, you are
> > either dead physically or spiritually.
> > I wish he had started cutting the bark beetle
> > infested trees in SoCal
> > before they burned and destroyed hundreds of homes
> > last year. The NFS
> > has to balance the "wants" of a plethora of groups.
> > Considering that
> > the logging industry is at most a quarter of the
> > size it was a
> > generation ago, I suspect there are still a few
> > trees standing
> > somewhere.
> > As a backpacker, I enjoy wilderness as much as
> > anyone and have spent
> > some time in wilderness in CA and Montana over the
> > past several years.
> > I haven't seen a truck yet, but maybe others on this
> > list have.
> > What "fears"?
> > I was born in Sweden, and all my extended family
> > still lives there.
> > Frankly, I don't give a damn what any of them think
> > of the US. Thirty
> > years ago Swedes were all blonde and blue eyed. Now
> > with 10% of the
> > population foreign born, they are concerned about
> > immigration and
> > preserving Swedish values. Sixty years ago they
> > allowed Nazi troop
> > trains to use their rail system so Norwegians could
> > be slaughtered.
> > Don't get me started on the French and Germans.
> > "Valley of pollution" - forty years ago as a child
> > in Los Angeles I
> > remember my lungs burning often from smog when
> > hiking in the hills or
> > playing baseball. My kids have only experienced
> > that problem once or
> > twice in their lives, despite the population being
> > more than double what
> > it was back then.
> > "Thou annointest my head with foreign oil". I'm
> > SHOCKED to hear that we
> > are importing oil into this country. This must have
> > just begun after
> > Jan. 20, 2001! Does the press know yet?
> > "My health insurance runneth out". Move to a
> > smaller home; drive a more
> > frugal car; cut out the lattes; stop smoking; get a
> > cheaper cel phone
> > plan; drop your cable TV and internet subscriptions;
> > keep the pc one or
> > two generations longer; postpone the thru-hike until
> > you have provided
> > for your family. If health insurance is not a top
> > priority of yours,
> > why do you think it should be the government's?
> > "My jobless child shall dwell in my basement
> > forever". Since this is a
> > paraphrase of the 23rd Psalm, I suggest you turn to
> > the book of
> > Proverbs. Chapter 22, Verse 6 says, "Train up a
> > child in the way he
> > should go, and when he is old he will not depart
> > from it." As a parent,
> > my job is to train up good, moral, self-sufficient
> > children. With one
> > of the lowest unemployment levels in our nation's
> > history, maybe you
> > should get your kid the classified section everyday
> > until he gets off
> > his butt and looks for work!
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Lars Nilsson
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:46:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> From: dsaufley@sprynet.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] the wire story on Scott Williamson
> To: David Plotnikoff <david@emeraldlake.com>,
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <2670960.1100727981441.JavaMail.root@wamui05.slb.atl.earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> For those of you who may not know her, Angela's last name is "Ballard",
not "Bassett" . . . she's the editor of the PCTA's "Communicator".
>
> -=Donna Saufley=-
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Plotnikoff <david@emeraldlake.com>
> Sent: Nov 17, 2004 12:24 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] the wire story on Scott Williamson
>
> Here's the AP story that moved yesterday.
>
> BC-WST--Hike Completed,320
> Tree-trimmer believed to be first to complete roundtrip hike
> of Pacific Crest Trail
>
> LOS ANGELES (AP) ... A self-employed tree trimmer from Santa
> Cruz is believed to be the first person to complete a
> roundtrip hike of the Pacific Crest Trail connecting Mexico
> with Canada, one of the longest continuous backpacking routes
> in the United States.
>
> Scott Williamson, 32, completed the 5,300-mile hike on
> Saturday after 6" months, he said Tuesday in a phone
> interview from a friend's San Diego home. The trail, 2,650
> miles in one direction, stretches from the Mexican border to
> the Canadian border.
>
> ""It's very satisfying. My goal wasn't to become the first
> person, it was to achieve a personal goal,'' he said. ""I'm
> sort of still living in the twilight zone because I've been
> living in the woods for the past 6" months.''
>
> Angela Bassett, publications manager for the Pacific Crest
> Trail Association, said as far as the association knows
> Williamson is the first person to complete the roundtrip hike
> ... also called a ""yo-yo.''
>
> Bassett, who herself wrote a romantic comedy about hiking
> 2,300 miles of the trail with her husband, said Williamson's
> time of 6" months is extraordinary ... but also the key to his
> success.
>
> ""It's important for someone trying to do a yo-yo to go
> fast because on the way back down (from Canada) you have to
> be concerned with early snow in the Sierra Nevada
> mountains,'' she said.
>
> Williamson wore running shoes during his trek and
> restocked his lightweight pack by picking up 42 pre-packed
> boxes his father mailed to post offices along the route.
>
> Williamson had made three attempts at the roundtrip hike
> in the past eight years. Two times early snow forced him to
> give up and a third time he arrived at the Canadian border
> too late in the season to turn around. This time he started
> in Mexico on April 22.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:35:41 -0800
> From: John Coyle <jcoyle@sanjuan.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] RE: Portable Word Processing Device
> To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <F1EAAF6E423A63428C7622B1A2A4CBC401775B7F@dale.sanjuan.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Thanks to all of you who answered my question about a portable word
> processing device. The consensus seems to be that a Pocketmail is the way
> to go and that an AlphaSmart is too heavy.
>
> I used a basic Palm for a while, but I didn't like using the plastic
stylus
> to input text. For some reason I was given the talent, and it's about the
> only talent I was given, to keyboard moderately fast (50 wpm) on a full
> sized keyboard and so I became accustomed to doing it that way. My wife
> says I would qualify to be a secretary at some places, but I'd have to
shave
> more often. What a kidder she is.
>
> Anyway, one day my palm just stopped working for no obvious reason, but by
> that time I wasn't really using it much anyway so I just threw it in my
desk
> drawer. I assume it's still there buried under various notebooks, pens,
> pencils, and other office stuff.
>
> I will investigate the Pocketmail and the newer Palms and Handsprings for
> the full sized fold out keyboards (thanks Dude.)
>
> The digital voice recorder is a good idea too. I have a basic one that I
> use at work (Olympus VN-900.) It doesn't have a detachable memory card,
but
> it is fairly rugged and the sound, while not broadcast quality, is good
> enough to understand, which is the main thing.
>
> Can't get enough of those gadgets!
>
> John Coyle
> Sacramento
> What's up with the Kings? Even Seattle beat us!
> (Just kidding, the Sonics are a good team.)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:00:38 -0800
> From: "Michael Lissner" <mlissner@benchpro.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Bush is my shepherd
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20041117231214.DAA601D0B1@edina.hack.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Even though we are a largely likeminded group, politics are SPAM on
> this list. Take them elsewhere. Please.
>
> -mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Bluce Ree
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:41 PM
> To: Lars Nilsson; pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bush is my shepherd
>
> I'd love to take the politically correct high road and say "take it to
> a political discussion board"... nahh.
>
> Since war is such a drastic and unrealistic solution (yet it happens)
> why not look to the unrealistic (and
> obvious) solutions:
>
> 1. Ban all newly produced petroleum based products.
> 2. Religion and State keep separate (the great
> loophole)
> 3. Stop using that car. NOW. And don't even tell me you're driving an
> SUV!
>
> The future belongs to the consumer. What are you gonna to do about it
> CONSUMER?
>
> aloha, Bluce Ree
>
> PS-Remember what america's biggest pop star once said:
> "If you want to make the world a better place take a look at yourself
> and make the change." <lol> See you in Neverland!
>
> --- Lars Nilsson <lars@standardarmament.com> wrote:
>
> > Bush is my shepherd; I dwell in want.
> >
> > >He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests.
> >
> > >He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness.
> >
> > >He restoreth my fears.
> >
> > >He leadeth me in the paths of international
> > disgrace for his ego's
> > sake.
> >
> > >Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution
> > and war,I will find
> >
> > >no exit, for thou art in office. Thy tax cuts for
> > the rich and thy
> >
> > >media control, they discomfort me. Thou preparest
> > an agenda of
> >
> > >deception in the presence of thy religion. Thou
> > anointest my head with
> >
> > >foreign oil. My health insurance runneth out.
> >
> > >Surely megalomania and false patriotism shall
> > follow me all the days of
> > thy term,
> >
> > >And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement
> > forever.
> >
> > Bush is my President and even though I voted for him I will not
> follow
> > him like a lamb.
> > I too "dwell in want" because that is the human condition. We try
> to
> > harmoniously balance our "wants" with the NEEDS of those we are
> > obligated to (spouse, children, parents, tax-collecting governmental
>
> > entities, etc.) and our own needs. If you are not in want, you are
> > either dead physically or spiritually.
> > I wish he had started cutting the bark beetle infested trees in
> SoCal
> > before they burned and destroyed hundreds of homes last year. The
> NFS
> > has to balance the "wants" of a plethora of groups.
> > Considering that
> > the logging industry is at most a quarter of the size it was a
> > generation ago, I suspect there are still a few trees standing
> > somewhere.
> > As a backpacker, I enjoy wilderness as much as anyone and have spent
>
> > some time in wilderness in CA and Montana over the past several
> years.
> > I haven't seen a truck yet, but maybe others on this list have.
> > What "fears"?
> > I was born in Sweden, and all my extended family still lives there.
> > Frankly, I don't give a damn what any of them think of the US.
> Thirty
> > years ago Swedes were all blonde and blue eyed. Now with 10% of the
>
> > population foreign born, they are concerned about immigration and
> > preserving Swedish values. Sixty years ago they allowed Nazi troop
> > trains to use their rail system so Norwegians could be slaughtered.
> > Don't get me started on the French and Germans.
> > "Valley of pollution" - forty years ago as a child in Los Angeles I
> > remember my lungs burning often from smog when hiking in the hills
> or
> > playing baseball. My kids have only experienced that problem once
> or
> > twice in their lives, despite the population being more than double
> > what it was back then.
> > "Thou annointest my head with foreign oil". I'm SHOCKED to hear
> that
> > we are importing oil into this country. This must have just begun
> > after Jan. 20, 2001! Does the press know yet?
> > "My health insurance runneth out". Move to a smaller home; drive a
> > more frugal car; cut out the lattes; stop smoking; get a cheaper cel
>
> > phone plan; drop your cable TV and internet subscriptions; keep the
> pc
> > one or two generations longer; postpone the thru-hike until you have
>
> > provided for your family. If health insurance is not a top priority
>
> > of yours, why do you think it should be the government's?
> > "My jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever". Since this
> is
> > a paraphrase of the 23rd Psalm, I suggest you turn to the book of
> > Proverbs. Chapter 22, Verse 6 says, "Train up a child in the way he
>
> > should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it." As a
> > parent, my job is to train up good, moral, self-sufficient children.
>
> > With one of the lowest unemployment levels in our nation's history,
> > maybe you should get your kid the classified section everyday until
> he
> > gets off his butt and looks for work!
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Lars Nilsson
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:25:48 -0800
> From: PCT-L Admin <pct-l-adms@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Admin Note - Off Topic: Re: [pct-l] Bush is my shepherd
> To: Bluce Ree <bluceree_superstar@yahoo.com>, Lars Nilsson
> <lars@standardarmament.com>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20041117152307.037f4410@fastpack.com>
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> This thread is off topic.
>
> All posts to this list must be related to the PCT.
> General political discussion is not allowed.
>
> Thank you for your cooperation.
> ----------------
> Brick Robbins
> PCT-L Admin
> If you feed the trolls, you get to keep them.
>
>
>
> At 12:40 PM 11/17/04, Bluce Ree wrote:
> >I'd love to take the politically correct high road and
> >say "take it to a political discussion board"... nahh.
> <snip>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:38:07 EST
> From: Bighummel@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bush is my shepherd
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <1e4.2e8904db.2ecd3adf@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I will stay out of the political comments and just point out one simple
thing
> in this society that all geologists know and consider;
>
> EVERYTHING that is in your home, on your body, that makes up this computer
> and your car and your ice axe and your pack and your jewelry and your
bicycle
> and in your stomach and inside your brain came directly or indirectly from
the
> earth. The ONLY thing in this room now that doesn't come directly or
> indirectly from the earth is the sunlight that is shining in through my
window and the
> heat that it generates.
>
> This, of course, means that we consume from the earth and extractive
> industries are NECESSARY for our society to exist.
>
> We must just be careful how we extract and what we put back into the earth
> and the air and water. The more efficient we are in all things the better
off
> we will be and longer the stewardship of the earth for future generations
will
> last.
>
> Us backpackers tend to understand minimalist principles pretty well.
> However, if you wear or use nylon products and aluminum products and
titanium
> products and wool products and leather products and rubber products then
you are a
> consumer. The balance is a tenuous one between consumption and
stewardship.
> Humans tend to be greedy and not consider future generations with any
> significant value.
>
> Greg
>
>
> Remember when you're feeling very small and insecure
> how amazingly unlikely is your birth . . .
> and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
> cause there's damn near none here on earth!
> Monty Python "The Meaning of Life"
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:03:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Chuckie V <rubberchuckie@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Politics and the PCT
> To: PCT-List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <20041118010337.95253.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Politics and the PCT
>
> While this is not a political discussion board, like it or not, politics
have a great effect on the PCT. Perhaps more than anything else, other than
time. I urge each one of us who so dearly love this trail to continue to
fight to protect and preserve it, and the best means of this is,
unfortunately, involves political action. Here's what you can do:
>
> 1) Join the PCTA if you haven't already. Contribute what you can. Their
voice is your voice, only spoken better. While I don't agree with everything
the PCTA does, they are our first line of defense in fighting for the trail.
>
> 2) Encourage others to join the PCTA as well. The real power is in
numbers, not just in dollars.
>
> 3) Vote for environmentally-friendly initiatives and candidates. No
further comment.
>
> 4) When the time is appropriate, and it always is when it comes to the
PCT, help promote the trail. Give slide shows, write articles for newspapers
or magazines, host a website with your love of the trail plastered all over
it. (I am amazed at the sheer number of PCT-related websites out there. Do a
web search; it's unreal!) Of course, promoting the trail is a double-edged
sword. It may get more people on the trail and this may spoil it to some,
but let's face it, it's 2004 and it is NOT a crowded trail. It's unlikely it
will be in 2040. Hardship has its rewards!
>
> 5) Stay involved politically when it pertains to the PCT. Write to
politicians who are directly involved in the PCT's future when they face
tough decisions.
>
> Congress will likely continue to cut National Scenic Trail budgets further
each year. It's up to people like us to keep the dream alive. Do what you
can! Vote PCT!
>
> -Chuckie
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:07:19 -0800
> From: "JoAnn M. Michael" <jomike@cot.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Scott's yo-yo
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000801c4cd13$55b75f10$6501a8c0@yourxhtr8hvc4p>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Nice article in today's Redding (CA) Record Searchlight about Scott's
accomplishment. Way to go! The PCT community is proud of you.
>
> JoAnn
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:18:07 -0800
> From: PCT-L Admin <pct-l-adms@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Politics and the PCT
> To: PCT-List <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20041117191435.078b7eb0@fastpack.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 05:03 PM 11/17/04, Chuckie V wrote:
> >Politics and the PCT
> >
> >While this is not a political discussion board, like it or not, politics
> >have a great effect on the PCT.
>
> If your political discussion directly concerns the PCT then it is
> appropriate here. If not, the it isn't.
>
> For example:
> "This administration promotes logging in National Forests. Let's join
> together and fight them" is not appropriate.
> "The Inyo NF is proposing a timber sale on the PCT near Kennedy Meadows,
> lets join together and fight it" IS appropriate
>
> I'm sure you get the idea...
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:18:49 -0800
> From: SD Ghost <sd_ghost@cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Who is thru hiking in '05?
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> I wanted to put this posting up to find out who will be attempting a
> thru hike in '05. My name is Terry Thompson, I'm 40 and I live in San
> Diego. I am planning on attending the kick off. So who else is going,
> are you planning on attending the kick off?
>
> cheers,
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:16:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dan and Nina Rogers <dnpct06@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Thru-hikers and finish dates
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20041118141641.91315.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> Hi all,
>
> In the last couple of days, I've posted Nocona's
> journal entry about the day she and Bald Eagle finally
> reached Canada (10/21) and also her list of all the
> thru-hikers who had signed the register (at Manning
> Park) before them. You can find both on trailjournals
> at http://www.trailjournals.com/nocona2. The hiker
> listing is in the 10/24 journal entry.
>
> Waterfall
>
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>
> Sheltowee's Book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0972903801/qid=1085490159/sr=1
-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-4279170-1300733?v=glance&s=books
>
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>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:30:18 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dan and Nina Rogers <dnpct06@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] affording a thru-hike
> To: Chris Willett <CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu>,
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20041118143018.88482.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> I have been giving the academic life a lot of thought
> these days! I have an M.A. and recently sent out for
> information on PhD programs from several schools, with
> the possible intention of starting on my doctorate
> after our PCT thru-hike.
>
> It's a tough decision, though. Right now I have a
> cushy professional 9-to-5 job where I'm bored out of
> my mind but get a nice paycheck and benefits.
> Sheltowee and I are putting away $$$ every paycheck to
> save for a 2006 thru-hike (and time afterward to look
> for jobs), so the cushy, boring job is affording me
> both (1) the funds to save, and (2) an increased
> desire to escape Cubicle Land and hit the trail for a
> good five months. Whenever Dan or I get frustrated
> with work and certain aspects the non-hiking life
> (including being broke all the time because we're
> putting so much away each month), we just remind
> ourselves that we're paying our dues and will be in
> the PCT before long. I guess it is all about balance.
>
> In addition to driving old cars, we rarely buy new
> clothes and rarely eat out or go to movies. Every
> little bit counts.
>
> Luckily, Dan's job is a three-year commitment, and
> it'll end in March of '06. I guess we'll figure out
> what else we'll do for a living when we get back from
> hiking. :-)
>
> --- Chris Willett <CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu> wrote:
>
> > You don't have to live in a shack without
> > electricity oreat canned pasta every night to go
> > thruhiking every summer. Academics get most of the
> > summer and a month of the winter off. At the
> > university, I had nearly 4 months off during the
> > summer (3.5 months spent thruhiking the PCT).
> > Now, at the college level, I've got a few days less.
> > This winter will be spent on a 250 mile trek in
> > Death Valley. Next summer, well, who knows? Of
> > course, you need to go to school for a while, and
> > you need to like what you do. But, to suggest that
> > a certain life style is closed off to those who have
> > a stable job is, I suggest, untrue.
> >
> > Suge
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > Christopher Willett
> > cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> > www.pierce.ctc.edu/faculty/cwillett
> > Pierce College
> > 9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> > Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on
> > behalf of David Dalbey
> > > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 6:47 PM
> > > To: Pct-L@Backcountry. Net; Jeffrey J. Olson
> > > Subject: RE: [pct-l] affording a thru-hike
> > >
> > > Also around that same area are some really amazing
> > sea kayakers doing
> > > the sea-kayak equivilent of thru-hikes, (actually
> > on a grander scale).
> > > Chris Duff has paddled around Ireland, Iceland,
> > and New Zealand's south
> > > Island. He supported himself as a carpenter and
> > lives in a straw bale
> > > cabin. Leon Somme and Shawna Franklin, with whom
> > Chris did the Iceland
> > > expedition, live in a 12' x 12' cabin with no
> > electricity on Orcas
> > > Island. During a presentation on their Iceland
> > trip they explained that
> > > what they do, not what they own is what makes
> > their life rich! That's a
> > > gem of advise!
> > >
> > > David
> > > david@dalbey.org
> > >
> > >
> > > :A short story... In the pacific northwest, on
> > the olympic
> > > :peninsula, around
> > > :Port Townsend, live a breed of men in their 40s
> > and 50s the locals call
> > > :"Shed Boys." Shed boys essentially tuned in,
> > turned on, and
> > > :dropped out in
> > > :the late 60s and early 70s. Rather than get
> > straight jobs, they find
> > > :seasonal work, enough for beans and rice and
> > getting high.
> > > :They found old
> > > :sheds in the forest and converted them into small
> > living
> > > :spaces, running
> > > :electric cords through the trees, etc. Shed boys
> > apparently
> > > :don't last long
> > > :in relationships - too much commitment.
> > > :
> > > :There are lifestyles that support whatever you
> > want to do.
> > > :You just have to
> > > :choose to live them and have the self-discipline
> > to live
> > > :within your means.
> > > :Self-discipline is the key. I think it's harder
> > to live on
> > > :the margins than
> > > : it is to get a straight job and do the nine to
> > five thing.
> > > :
> > > :Jeff Olson
> > > :Laramie WY
> > > :
> > > :_______________________________________________
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>
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-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-4279170-1300733?v=glance&s=books
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:48:37 -0800
> From: "Chris Willett" <CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] affording a thru-hike
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>, "Dan and Nina Rogers"
> <dnpct06@yahoo.com>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Note that if you have an MA, you can teach at a community college. Unless
you really want to do research (in which case you'll spend your summers
doing it so that you can get tenure), teaching at a university (with the
need for a PhD) doesn't make much sense. I made the switch and am very happy
that I did so, although I am still glad I got a PhD first.
>
> Suge
>
> ---------------------------
> Christopher Willett
> cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> www.pierce.ctc.edu/faculty/cwillett
> Pierce College
> 9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
>
> > ----------
> > From: Dan and Nina Rogers
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:30 AM
> > To: Chris Willett; pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] affording a thru-hike
> >
> > I have been giving the academic life a lot of thought
> > these days! I have an M.A. and recently sent out for
> > information on PhD programs from several schools, with
> > the possible intention of starting on my doctorate
> > after our PCT thru-hike.
> >
> > It's a tough decision, though. Right now I have a
> > cushy professional 9-to-5 job where I'm bored out of
> > my mind but get a nice paycheck and benefits.
> > Sheltowee and I are putting away $$$ every paycheck to
> > save for a 2006 thru-hike (and time afterward to look
> > for jobs), so the cushy, boring job is affording me
> > both (1) the funds to save, and (2) an increased
> > desire to escape Cubicle Land and hit the trail for a
> > good five months. Whenever Dan or I get frustrated
> > with work and certain aspects the non-hiking life
> > (including being broke all the time because we're
> > putting so much away each month), we just remind
> > ourselves that we're paying our dues and will be in
> > the PCT before long. I guess it is all about balance.
> >
> > In addition to driving old cars, we rarely buy new
> > clothes and rarely eat out or go to movies. Every
> > little bit counts.
> >
> > Luckily, Dan's job is a three-year commitment, and
> > it'll end in March of '06. I guess we'll figure out
> > what else we'll do for a living when we get back from
> > hiking. :-)
> >
> > --- Chris Willett <CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > You don't have to live in a shack without
> > > electricity oreat canned pasta every night to go
> > > thruhiking every summer. Academics get most of the
> > > summer and a month of the winter off. At the
> > > university, I had nearly 4 months off during the
> > > summer (3.5 months spent thruhiking the PCT).
> > > Now, at the college level, I've got a few days less.
> > > This winter will be spent on a 250 mile trek in
> > > Death Valley. Next summer, well, who knows? Of
> > > course, you need to go to school for a while, and
> > > you need to like what you do. But, to suggest that
> > > a certain life style is closed off to those who have
> > > a stable job is, I suggest, untrue.
> > >
> > > Suge
> > >
> > > ---------------------------
> > > Christopher Willett
> > > cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> > > www.pierce.ctc.edu/faculty/cwillett
> > > Pierce College
> > > 9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> > > Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
> > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on
> > > behalf of David Dalbey
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 6:47 PM
> > > > To: Pct-L@Backcountry. Net; Jeffrey J. Olson
> > > > Subject: RE: [pct-l] affording a thru-hike
> > > >
> > > > Also around that same area are some really amazing
> > > sea kayakers doing
> > > > the sea-kayak equivilent of thru-hikes, (actually
> > > on a grander scale).
> > > > Chris Duff has paddled around Ireland, Iceland,
> > > and New Zealand's south
> > > > Island. He supported himself as a carpenter and
> > > lives in a straw bale
> > > > cabin. Leon Somme and Shawna Franklin, with whom
> > > Chris did the Iceland
> > > > expedition, live in a 12' x 12' cabin with no
> > > electricity on Orcas
> > > > Island. During a presentation on their Iceland
> > > trip they explained that
> > > > what they do, not what they own is what makes
> > > their life rich! That's a
> > > > gem of advise!
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > > david@dalbey.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > :A short story... In the pacific northwest, on
> > > the olympic
> > > > :peninsula, around
> > > > :Port Townsend, live a breed of men in their 40s
> > > and 50s the locals call
> > > > :"Shed Boys." Shed boys essentially tuned in,
> > > turned on, and
> > > > :dropped out in
> > > > :the late 60s and early 70s. Rather than get
> > > straight jobs, they find
> > > > :seasonal work, enough for beans and rice and
> > > getting high.
> > > > :They found old
> > > > :sheds in the forest and converted them into small
> > > living
> > > > :spaces, running
> > > > :electric cords through the trees, etc. Shed boys
> > > apparently
> > > > :don't last long
> > > > :in relationships - too much commitment.
> > > > :
> > > > :There are lifestyles that support whatever you
> > > want to do.
> > > > :You just have to
> > > > :choose to live them and have the self-discipline
> > > to live
> > > > :within your means.
> > > > :Self-discipline is the key. I think it's harder
> > > to live on
> > > > :the margins than
> > > > : it is to get a straight job and do the nine to
> > > five thing.
> > > > :
> > > > :Jeff Olson
> > > > :Laramie WY
> > > > :
> > > > :_______________________________________________
> > > > :pct-l mailing list
> > > > :pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > > > :unsubscribe or change options:
> > > > :http://mailman.hack.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
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> >
> > Sheltowee's Book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0972903801/qid=1085490159/sr=1
-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-4279170-1300733?v=glance&s=books
> >
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> >
> >
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:40:16 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] PCT-L wiki
> To: AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20041118144411.6877D861460@mail.interchange.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> > Chance started a wiki this year, primarily for trail angel info, but
> > also for trail conditions. I think I was the only one to post to it
> > besides Chance. It is now gone. We found most users will post to
> > PCT-L, or maybe even send an email to someone for posting, but are not
> > interested in posting to a wiki or BBS.
>
> I say "build it and they will come". there certainly needs to be more
> than one contributor to build the database, but once it reaches a
> certain critical mass, there is no way people will not use it.
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> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:37:07 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT-L wiki
> To: pctl@ilja.ws
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> IMHO, I think that a wiki would be a perfect fit for PCT info because:
>
> 1. there is lots of info that changes often, such as what trail towns
> have which supplies, prices for hotels/hostels/transportation, what
> lightest pack/tent/bag is (seems like this changes quarterly almost),
> where bear cannisters are needed, how many people have thru-hiked, etc.
>
> 2. as I understand it (I have never set up a wiki, just used
> wikipedia), terms mentioned in one part of a wiki article are
> automatically cross-refferenced and linked to entries for those terms,
> which creates a very nice reference resource for newbies who need to
> learn definitions for all the lingo that old-timers take for granted
> and really speeds up the learning curve dramatically. As you can
> probably tell, this also blows away searching the archives because
> everything you need is just linked together and easy to find -- no
> searching required.
>
> 3. there are many people on this list who have the knowledge and the
> apparent interest in the subject matter to maintain the wiki pretty
> well.
>
> 4. the PCTA website is a very nice and helpful site loaded with lots
> of information, but like any static website, is subject to the
> contraints of maintenance and is therefore sometimes out of date or
> incomplete. a wiki would generally solve this problem and the PCTA
> website would be the perfect compliment to the wiki as the repository
> for the "official" information, much as the PCT-L archives contain lots
> of great info, but is not "official".
>
>
> I am all in favor of the idea andf would gladly help contribute where I
> am qualified.
>
> ...my 2 cents.
>
> peace,
> dude
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:45:44 +0000
> From: leo-spencer@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Who is thru hiking in '05?
> To: SD Ghost <sd_ghost@cox.net>
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> Hi,
>
> I will attend ADZ "05"and will be section hiking I-R 784 miles beginning
early July. The plan is to follow up by joining the class of "06" for the
complete hike.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Leo.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > I wanted to put this posting up to find out who will be attempting a
> > thru hike in '05. My name is Terry Thompson, I'm 40 and I live in San
> > Diego. I am planning on attending the kick off. So who else is going,
> > are you planning on attending the kick off?
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Terry
> >
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 08:05:23 -0800
> From: "Jeff Moorehead" <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] affording a thru-hike
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Dan and Nina,
> I can't imagine a better time to do the PCT other than breaking with your
> normal mode of living for a significant change in direction as far as
> careers or education. Some time ago, I got my Phd in Biology and believe
me,
> that is a significant break in the landscape of life. In most programs,
you
> won't be making much more money as a grad student than if you were hiking
> all the time :) And it sounds like the frugal lifestyle your leading now
in
> order to afford a thru hike will be good conditioning for that. I have a
> good teaching job from which I am going to resign before starting a
> completely new line of work. That is my significant break in the action. I
> can't leave until 2006 as well. Affording the thru-hike? I bartend!
> See you on the trail in '06!!
> Jeff
>
>
> >I have been giving the academic life a lot of thought
> > these days! I have an M.A. and recently sent out for
> > information on PhD programs from several schools, with
> > the possible intention of starting on my doctorate
> > after our PCT thru-hike.
> >
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:24:53 EST
> From: Bighummel@aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] More quotes
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
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> >From the book, Mountaineering in the Sierra Nevada, by Clarence King,
1871;
>
> "No tongue can tell the relief to simply withdraw scientific observation,
and
> let Nature impress you in the dear old way with all her mystery and glory,
> with those vague indescribable emotions which tremble between wonder and
> sympathy."
>
> and
>
> "Perhaps there is no element in the varied life of an explorer so full of
> contemplative pleasure as the frequent and rapid passages he makes between
city
> life and home; by that I mean his true home, where the flames of his
bivouac
> fire light up trunks of sheltering pine and make an island of light in the
> silent darkness of primeval forest."
>
> and, my favorite;
>
> "As often as one camps at twelve thousand feet in the Sierra, the charm of
> crystally pure air, these cold, sparkling gem-like tints of rock and
alpine
> lake, the fiery bronze of foliage, and luminous though deep-toned sky,
combine to
> produce an intellectual and even a spiritual elevation. Deep and stirring
> feelings come naturally, the present falls back into its true relation,
one's own
> wearying identity shrinks from the broad, open foreground of the vision,
and
> a calmness born of reverent reflections encompasses the soul."
>
> Exactly, Clarence, exactly.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg Hummel
>
>
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