[pct-l] Re: California Fire Permit - Teutang Cyn Fire 5-13-04

[matt at mattmaxon.com (matt maxon)]

How many of you are carrying a shovel as required by your California
Campfire Permit? Your not your in violation right there.

I spoke with the Angeles National Forest Supervisors Office regarding this
and they say you MUST have a shovel to be in compliance, whether your using
a stove or not.

Seems to me it's a worthless piece of paper, written in such a way, that if
you start a fire you'll be cited no matter what you do, and could be
responsible for the fire fighting costs. Certianly not a real incentive to
report a fire in the first place, for some people.

Regarding the Fire in Teutang Cyn, I have heard from various word of mouth
sources the stove in question was a Pepsi can alcohol stove.

Is this true?

I have also heard several stories regarding flare ups with these stoves. If
this is true they seem to be very dangerous and anyone considering using one
should reconsider, how much weight does it save? or at least exercise
extreme caution when using them.

Trail90
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> Message: 37
> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:46:23 -0700
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] California Fire Permits
> To: "David Anderson" <david135@pc3i.com>,
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> I talked to a CDF fireman at El Carizo (Cleveland NF) and he's never heard
of a stove permit...
> Maybe talked to the wrong guy, but he suggested I talk to BLM.
>
> M i c h a e l   S a e n z
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>  -----Original Message-----
> From: David Anderson [mailto:david135@pc3i.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:41 AM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] California Fire Permits
>
>
> Hi to all,
>
> Was there ever any concensus on the question regarding California Fire
> permits? Is the PCT thru-permit a legal substitute?
>
> regards,
> ol' goat
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> Message: 38
> Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:53:36 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] California Fire Permits
> To: "David Anderson" <david135@pc3i.com>,
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> I asked that question of the PCTA and never got a good answer. I got mine
by
> mail from the BLM office in Bakersfield. No problem. Incidentally, you
don't
> purchase them - they are free for the asking. BLM also said my  Esbit
stove
> did not need a campfire permit.
>
> Wandering Bob
>
>
> "I have a PCTA thruhiker permit for 2004. Does that double as a CA
Campfire
> Permit in all areas from Walker Pass north to Sierra City? If not, where
> does it not apply?"
> Their answer:
>
> "Regarding Fire permits:  they can be purchased from any BLM or USFS
office.
> Throughout California the current fire danger is at least at Stage 1 which
> means no camp fires are allowed without a permit but stoves can be used.
> Stage 2 means that you must obtain a permit to even use stoves.
>
> Because conditions can change very quickly I highly recommend that you
> contact the following agencies:
>
> Bureau of Land Management
> Ridgecrest Field Office
>
> 384-5400
> Fax: (760) 384-5499
> www.ca.blm.gov/ridgecrest/
>
> Sequoia National Forest
> 900 West Grand Avenue
> Porterville, CA 93257
> 559-784-1500 or 559-781-6650
> www.r5.fs.fed.us/sequoia
>
> Bureau of Land Management
> Bakersfield Field Office
> 3801 Pegasus Drive
> Bakersfield, CA 93308
> (661) 391-6000
> Fax: (661) 391-6040
> www.ca.blm.gov/bakersfield/
>
> Sequoia & Kings Canyon National Park
> 47050 Generals Highway
> Three Rivers, CA 93271
> 559-565-3341
> www.nps.gov/seki/index.htm
>
> Sierra National Forest
> 1600 Tollhouse Road
> Clovis, CA 93612
> 559-297-0706 or TTY 559-322-4925
> www.r5.fs.fed.us/sierra
>
> Inyo National Forest
> 873 N. Main Street
> Bishop, CA 93514
> 760-873-2400 or TTY 760-873-2538
> email: inyonf/r5_inyo@fs.fed.us
> www.r5.fs.fed.us/inyo
>
> Devils Postpile National Monument
> P O Box 3999
> Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546
> 760-934-2289
> email: Devils Postpile National Monument
> www.nps.gov/depo
>
> Yosemite National Park
> P O Box 577
> Yosemite National Park, CA 95389
> 209-372-0200 or TTY 209-372-4726
> www.nps.gov/yose
>
> Stanislaus National Forest
> 19777 Greenley Road
> Sonora, CA 95370
> 209-532-3671 or TTY 209-533-0765
> email: Stanislaus National Forest
> www.r5.fs.fed.us/stanislaus
>
> Humboldt Toiyabe National Forest
> 1200 Franklin Way
> Sparks, NV 89431
> 775-331-6444 or TTY 775-355-5305
> www.fs.fed.us/htnf
>
> Lake Tahoe Basin Management Unit
> 870 Emerald Bay Road, Ste 1
> South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150
> 530-573-2600 or TTY 530-573-4036
> www.r5.fs.fed.us/ltbmu
>
> Eldorado National Forest
> 100 Forni Road
> Placerville, CA 95667
> 530-622-5061 or TTY 530-642-5122
> www.r5.fs.fed.us/eldorado
>
> Tahoe National Forest
> 631 Coyote Street
> Nevada City, CA 95959
> 530-265-4531 or TTY 530-478-6118
> www.r5.fs.fed.us/tahoe
>
> Plumas National Forest
> P O Box 11500, 159 Lawrence Street
> Quincy, CA 95971
> 530-283-2050 or TTY 888-822-3119
> www.r5.fs.fed.us/plumas
>
> Lassen Volcanic National Park
> P O Box 100
> Mineral, CA 96063-0100
> 530-595-4444 or TTY 530-595-3480
> www.lassen.volcanic.national-park.com
>
> Lassen National Forest
> 2550 Riverside Drive
> Susanville, CA 96130
> 530-257-2151 or TTY 530-257-6244
> www.r5.fs.fed.us/lassen
>
> McArthur-Burney Falls State Park
> 24898 Highway 89
> Burney, CA 96013
> 530-335-2777
>
> Castle Crags State Park
> P O Box 80
> Castella, CA 96017
> 530-235-2684
> email: Castle Crags State Park
> cal-parks.ca.gov/?page_id
>
> They will know local conditions and requirements for fire permits.
>
>
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
>
>
> Lorrie Toohey
>
> PCTA Membership Coordinator
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Anderson" <david135@pc3i.com>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:41 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] California Fire Permits
>
>
>  Hi to all,
> Was there ever any concensus on the question regarding California Fire
> permits? Is the PCT thru-permit a legal substitute?
>
>  regards,
> ol' goat
>
>
>
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