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- Subject: [pct-l] Re:JMT weather - Reds Meadow South
- From: matt at mattmaxon.com (matt maxon)
- Date: Mon Oct 4 13:14:58 2004
- References: <20040929124943.15ABB1D0DB@edina.hack.net>
I havn't looked for sites North of Kennedy Meadows, but the websites for RAWS generally have historic as well as current data.....
California Department of Water Resources CDEC
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/
Western Regional Climate Center , Northern California RAWS map
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/wraws/ncaF.html
Western Regional Climate Center , Sourthern California RAWS map
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/wraws/scaF.html
Cheers
Matt Maxon (Trail90)
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> 1. RE: Moak's thru-hiker tents... (Jerry Goller)
> 2. Re: Moak's thru-hiker tents... (Slyatpct@aol.com)
> 3. Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (Mike Saenz)
> 4. RE: Thru-hikers left on the trail Nocona, Bald Eagle,
> Germinator, Debbie............................ (Monty Tam)
> 5. RE: Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (Chris Willett)
> 6. RE: Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (Mike Saenz)
> 7. Re: Thru Hiker Sleeping Bags (Steve Sergeant)
> 8. Re: Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (eyakel@earthlink.net)
> 9. RE: Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (David Dalbey)
> 10. Re: Journal by digital voice recorder (Mark Wright)
> 11. Re: Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (Steve Peterson)
> 12. RE: Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (Mike Saenz)
> 13. Re: Journal by digital voice recorder (dude)
> 14. Re: Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (Steve Courtway)
> 15. any hikers left on the trail (RUTH WESTON)
> 16. RE: [BULK] - Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (Mike Saenz)
> 17. RE: Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (Judson Brown)
> 18. Re: Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags (Bob Bankhead)
> 19. san diego / southern california trip (Eric)
> 20. Angeles NF Use Restrictions (Craig Milo Rogers)
> 21. Re: san diego / southern california trip (Shutterbug steiner)
> 22. Red's Meadow South (batdorff@coosnet.com)
> 23. Re: Red's Meadow South (Bob Bankhead)
> 24. Re: Red's Meadow South (Mark Wright)
> 25. Cell phone charger (Shutterbug steiner)
> 26. RE: Any thru-hikers left on the trail (sodamail@noos.fr)
> 27. RE: Red's Meadow South (Joe Percival)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:52:56 -0600
> From: "Jerry Goller" <jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Moak's thru-hiker tents...
> To: <Slyatpct@aol.com>, <at-l@backcountry.net>,
> <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Cc: rmoak@sixmoondesigns.com
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> Ron has made (3) of these available for testing through BGT. The Test Calls
> will go out in the next few weeks.
> Jerry
>
> http://www.BackpackGearTest.org : the most comprehensive interactive gear
> reviews and tests on the planet.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Slyatpct@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:41 AM
> To: at-l@backcountry.net; pct-l@backcountry.net
> Cc: rmoak@sixmoondesigns.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Moak's thru-hiker tents...
>
>
> Just when I though he perfected the Europa II to be the consummate
> thru-hiker
> tent, he's come out with another design that only weighs 1.5 pounds, the
> Lunar Solo. Looks great!
>
> Has anyone used or seen these?
>
> http://www.sixmoondesigns.com/store/Shopexd.asp?id=33
>
>
> Ron, will they be available at the Gatherings?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sly
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:54:49 EDT
> From: Slyatpct@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Moak's thru-hiker tents...
> To: jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org, pct-l@backcountry.net
> Cc: rmoak@sixmoondesigns.com
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> In a message dated 9/28/2004 12:53:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org writes:
>
> > Ron has made (3) of these available for testing through BGT. The Test Calls
> > will go out in the next few weeks.
> >
>
> Yeah, John O just let me know you guys would be doing a review. I'll check
> it out. At 1.5 pounds it's not that much heavier than a tarp, but has a floor
> and bug protection. It looks like an ideal tent even if it doesn't have the
> extra room that a Europa II has. I like to keep my gear and food inside, if
> possible. ; )
>
> Sly
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:53:14 -0700
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> bags.
> Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
>
> M i c h a e l "O i l c a n " S a e n z
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:08:41 -0700
> From: "Monty Tam" <metam01@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru-hikers left on the trail Nocona, Bald
> Eagle, Germinator, Debbie............................
> To: "Robert Ellinwood" <rellinwood@worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <410-2200493298841930@earthlink.net>
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>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Robert Ellinwood <rellinwood@worldnet.att.net>
> > To: <metam01@earthlink.net>
> > Date: 9/28/04 8:31:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru-hikers left on the trail Nocona, Bald
> Eagle,Germinator, Debbie............................
> >
> > Monte,
> >
> > < Does this make me a "Section Hiker"?
> >
> > Sounds like it....
> Two big Sections..........1825 miles and 825 miles.
> >
> > Sorry about your legs. What actually was wrong?
> Blisters, blisters.........
> Dried cracked heels
> Heel wounds deep under caluses(still not healed)
> Shin Splints/Stress Fractures Both Legs
> Toe nail Problems
> Minor Toe Surgery
> Pulled leg muscles
> Twisted lower ankle
> Poor shoe design piercing big toes (those haven't healed yet)
> Torn calf muscles right leg for over a month still not healing
> Left leg tendon from ankle to calf popping out with other complications
> Shaved legs and probably six rolls of sports tape.
> Ibuprofen every day
> Lots of ice on motel room beds
> Five doctors saying awful things like stay off your feet eight days, ten
> days, two weeks, 20 days and maybe it's time to accept that you won't make
> it to Canada this year.
> >
> > You say "Warner Springs." You actually live in the Warner Springs
> > environs?
> My phone exchange is Warner Springs.
> My mailing address is Santa Ysabel.
>
> I'm half way between the two and an equal distance from the Palomar
> Mountain Post Office.
> I identify myself as Warner Springs when it comes to the PCT. As you're
> coming into Warner Springs from Eagle Rock, you can see a lake (Lake
> Henshaw) in the distance a little to the left. I live there. That's only
> 12 miles from downtown Warner Springs.
>
>
> Question: do you know of any place or person I could mail a
> > food drop to next summer in Mt Laguna and in Warner Springs that could
> > give me more flexibility on pick-up times than the P.O.? Especially in
> > Mt Laguna where the PO doesn't open til noon, but also in Warner
> > Springs?
> I feel the best resupply point from Warners Springs is Santa Ysabel. The
> Post Office has pretty good hours. Theres a good little grocery store
> (Don's Market), a good not overpriced restaurant, and a place that does
> nothing but make Apple Pie (Julian Pie Company).
> >From The Road (Hwy79) hitch south 15 miles where 79 ends in a "T" Very,
> very simple. The post office is on your left. The rest is on your right
> all within about 50 yards.
>
> I don't know anything about Mt. Laguna. I carried my stuff from Campo
> including an extra two days to hang out at the Kick-Off at Lake Morena.
> Some people dropped stuff off at the kick-off before hiking the first 20
> miles from the boarder to Lake Morena. Maybe someone else would know if
> you can mail to the store there. Since the first 20 miles were waterless
> and hot, you might want to consider lightening food for that day. I heard
> the store ran out of hiker food that weekend.
> I'm probably not the person to ask on Mt. Laguna.
>
>
>
> I don't know my schedule for next year yet. I'm thinking about hiking
> down to the Kick-Off from here. Hopefully flip burgers again. After
> that????
> Contact me then and I might be able to help.
>
>
>
> Monty
>
> >
> > Thanks, Bob
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-
> > > bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Monty Tam
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:46 PM
> > > To: pct-l
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Thru-hikers left on the trail Nocona, Bald
> > Eagle,Germinator,
> > > Debbie............................
> > >
> > > Nocona and her husband, Bald Eagle, Germinator, Debbie Richardson,
> > Sherpa, Crow, Chef, and
> > > K-Too were in Southern Oregon around, before, or near the First. They
> > signed the register
> > > at the boarder. The register at Ashland Outfitters has much more
> > info. I think one of them
> > > bought the last pair of DARK sock liners. None left in the whole
> > town. I won't buy white. I
> > > never have to wash the black ones.
> > >
> > > Germinator celebrated his 33rd birthday there. One day's hike up the
> > hill at Hyatt Lake,
> > > Bald Eagle and Nocona left a note for Germinator and Debbie. Sounded
> > like Nocona's feet
> > > were in pretty bad shape.
> > >
> > > Dr. Christy Pruett, Ornithologist I met at Vermilion, hopped off the
> > trail at Donner Pass,
> > > went to work two weeks in Alaska, then jumped back on the trail way
> > behind the pack. We
> > > hiked Hat Creek Rim together. She wanted to know where the nearest
> > airport was. I told
> > > her where a couple were including one near Ashland. She hiked to
> > Ashland to complete the
> > > State of California, went to Louie's and had a huge cheeseburger, saw
> > a play and hopped on a
> > > plane at the Medford Airport.
> > >
> > > A couple weeks ago (9/12) in an obscure trail register where the old
> > PCT (Stuart Falls Trail)
> > > rejoins the new PCT a few miles south of Crater Lake, there were very
> > few thru-hiker
> > > entries after 9/1. I don't remember what names I saw. The pages
> > before had been
> > > collected/removed. It was raining. I almost didn't stop myself.
> > > The Mazama Village Store register had nothing. I think the Post
> > Office Register would have
> > > had better Info.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't know any of this if I hadn't fallen behind all the other
> > thru-hikers. For weeks I
> > > had been signing the registers as "The Last Hiker". I left a phone
> > number to contact me if I
> > > wasn't the last thru-hiker. Still, no one has called.
> > >
> > > I had 45 days down with leg and foot injuries and one day down from
> > the Pancake Challenge.
> > > My current injuries are a month old and refuse to get better.
> > > It rained three days and my tarp was stolen from the Crater Lake
> > campground.
> > > Weather forecast looked dangerous for a man with no legs and no
> > shelter.
> > > I've been home ten days.
> > > Saw my doctor. She says "Don't walk." (at all)
> > > I just came from my second All-You-Can-Eat Buffet.
> > >
> > > I have 800 miles left to complete next year. Does this make me a
> > "Section Hiker"?
> > >
> > > AND....WAS I..... "The Last Hiker"?????
> > >
> > > Monty Tam
> > > The Last Hiker
> > > Warner Springs
> > > metam01@earthlink.net
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:11:34 -0700
> From: "Chris Willett" <CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>, "Mike Saenz"
> <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Message-ID:
> <62C689C9C0C6A141AED8F6B8121FB8930655111B@mail.pierce.ctc.edu>
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> Try Western Mountaineering at www.westernmountaineering.com
>
> The Highlite (40 degrees) weighs in at 19 oz. in the 6' 6" version. It certainly was not optimal for the High Sierra, but good enough for SoCal and from Sierra City north. I finished in Canada in late August, so I didn't have to contend with cold or bad weather up north. If I was to do it again, I'd bring my Ultralight, which weighs in at 1 lb 15 oz in the large size and is good to 20 degrees. I'd probably start with it and carry it until Sierra City, then switch into the Highlite for the rest of the trip, possibly picking up the Ultralight again in Washington if I was running late. I have reviews of both bags at http://whiteblaze.net. Look in the Gear Reviews section. The Highlite review was written last year and so will be a bit buried, but the Ultralight review I wrote recently. The posts would be under the user name of chris.
>
> Suge
>
> ---------------------------
> Christopher Willett
> cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> Pierce College
> 9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
>
> > ----------
> > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on behalf of Mike Saenz
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:53 PM
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> >
> > Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> > bags.
> > Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
> >
> > M i c h a e l "O i l c a n " S a e n z
> > McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> > w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:30:42 -0700
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> To: "Chris Willett" <CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu>,
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <157A61E98909CA47A3BBC4D6E5A7737701CFA2B0@server3.mvenet.ad>
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>
> Oh, I didn't mention: I was looking for the one that had something like
> 70"+ shoulder girth...(yeah, I want it all and I want it NOW...).
>
> I mentioned to Ron that I liked the new tent, but then asked about a
> bathtub floor....
> I really WANT to put together an ultralight kit, but I just can't seem
> to shake some of my lux habits...(the oilcan stays...)
>
> Ok. I looked at the Western Mountaineering bags. Nice stuff! 14 oz for a
> 3-season bag!
>
> What about the quilts? Light and all the girth I could ever want?
>
> M i c h a e l S a e n z
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Willett [mailto:CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:12 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net; Mike Saenz
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
>
> Try Western Mountaineering at www.westernmountaineering.com
>
> The Highlite (40 degrees) weighs in at 19 oz. in the 6' 6" version. It
> certainly was not optimal for the High Sierra, but good enough for SoCal
> and from Sierra City north. I finished in Canada in late August, so I
> didn't have to contend with cold or bad weather up north. If I was to
> do it again, I'd bring my Ultralight, which weighs in at 1 lb 15 oz in
> the large size and is good to 20 degrees. I'd probably start with it
> and carry it until Sierra City, then switch into the Highlite for the
> rest of the trip, possibly picking up the Ultralight again in Washington
> if I was running late. I have reviews of both bags at
> http://whiteblaze.net. Look in the Gear Reviews section. The Highlite
> review was written last year and so will be a bit buried, but the
> Ultralight review I wrote recently. The posts would be under the user
> name of chris.
>
> Suge
>
> ---------------------------
> Christopher Willett
> cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> Pierce College
> 9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
>
> > ----------
> > From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on behalf of Mike
> Saenz
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:53 PM
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> >
> > Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> > bags.
> > Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
> >
> > M i c h a e l "O i l c a n " S a e n z
> > McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> > w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:38:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Steve Sergeant" <stevesgt@effable.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeping Bags
> To: <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Mike Saenz typed:
> > Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> > bags.
> > Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
>
> You're going to get almost as many answers to this question as there are
> people to answer them.
>
> Let me take my stab at it: For 2-3 season camping, I've gone exclusively
> to quilts and blankets. I use a 32?F Nunatak down blanket for conditions
> when it'll be mostly dry. I use home-made 35?F synthetic blanket for times
> when continuous damp or moist conditions are more likely. For mild-weather
> winter camping, I'm in the process of switching from a synthetic sleeping
> bag to a synthetic blanket (depending on how confident I feel about
> weather predictions for a particular trip). For very cold winter
> conditions (continuously below 20?F) I'll continue to use a down sleeping
> bag with a vapor-barrier liner.
>
> Here are some sources for these things:
>
> Fanatic Fringe synthetic quilt:
> < http://www.fanaticfringe.com/page6.html >
>
> Ray-Way synthetic quilt kit:
> < http://www.ray-way.com/quilt/index.shtml >
>
> Synthetic quilt do-it-yourself instructions:
> < http://www.backpacking.net/makegear/make-quilt/index.html >
>
> Big Agnes makes some bottomless synthetic sleeping bags:
> < http://www.bigagnes.com/str-bags-cla.shtml >
>
> Rab (UK) makes a "top bag":
> < http://www.rab.uk.com/pages/sleeping/sleep_products/intro_quantum.html >
>
> Nunatak Down Quilts (they call them sleeping bags):
> < http://nunatakusa.com/down_outerwear_sleeping_bags.htm >
>
> Jack'-R-Better down quilts:
> < http://www.jacksrbetter.com/ >
>
> Western Mountaineering makes a quilt/sleeping bag hybrid called a "pod":
> < http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/bagdetail.cfm/WE2810 >
> Specs are here:
> < http://www.westernmountaineering.com/specchart.htm >
>
> I may get a chance to post my own synthetic quilt design somewhere in the
> next few weeks.
>
> The lightest down sleeping bags I know of come from these manufacturers:
>
> Western Mountaineering:
> < http://www.westernmountaineering.com/specchart.htm >
>
> Mountainsmith:
> < http://www.mountainsmith.com/ >
>
> Feathered Friends:
> < http://www.featheredfriends.com/ >
>
> I'll be interested t see if anybody else posts some options better than
> the ones I've posted here.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:06:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: eyakel@earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> To: Mike Saenz <msaenz@mve-architects.com>,
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Feathered friends is a good one if you haven't checked it out.
> Also, I got a 2 lb. 20 degree from Big Agnes which is really nice
> because of the extra shoulder room it has. Have a good one.
> Eric Yakel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Saenz <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Sent: Sep 28, 2004 12:53 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
>
> Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> bags.
> Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
>
> M i c h a e l "O i l c a n " S a e n z
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:10:14 -0700
> From: "David Dalbey" <david@dalbey.org>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
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> Since I'm a little clausterphobic I have an ARC Alpinist quilt from
> Nunutak with 2 oz. overfill and a EPIC shell and have been very happy
> with it. It weights 24 oz. and is rated to 20 deg. I sleep a little
> cold thus the overfill. If I was handy with a sewing machine I'd try
> making one but I'm not. The nice thing about a company like Nunutak is
> they'll custom make your bag for you. Not cheap, but a very nice, well
> made quilt. Here's the link...
> http://www.nunatakusa.com/Sleeping_Bag_Arc_Alpinist_Sleeping_Bag.htm
>
> David
> david@dalbey.org
>
>
> :-----Original Message-----
> :From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> :[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of Mike Saenz
> :Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:31 PM
> :To: Chris Willett; pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> :Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> :
> :
> :Oh, I didn't mention: I was looking for the one that had something like
> :70"+ shoulder girth...(yeah, I want it all and I want it NOW...).
> :
> :I mentioned to Ron that I liked the new tent, but then asked about a
> :bathtub floor....
> :I really WANT to put together an ultralight kit, but I just can't seem
> :to shake some of my lux habits...(the oilcan stays...)
> :
> :Ok. I looked at the Western Mountaineering bags. Nice stuff!
> :14 oz for a
> :3-season bag!
> :
> :What about the quilts? Light and all the girth I could ever want?
> :
> :M i c h a e l S a e n z
> :McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> :A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> :w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> :
> :
> :-----Original Message-----
> :From: Chris Willett [mailto:CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu]
> :Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:12 PM
> :To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net; Mike Saenz
> :Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> :
> :Try Western Mountaineering at www.westernmountaineering.com
> :
> :The Highlite (40 degrees) weighs in at 19 oz. in the 6' 6" version. It
> :certainly was not optimal for the High Sierra, but good enough
> :for SoCal
> :and from Sierra City north. I finished in Canada in late August, so I
> :didn't have to contend with cold or bad weather up north. If I was to
> :do it again, I'd bring my Ultralight, which weighs in at 1 lb 15 oz in
> :the large size and is good to 20 degrees. I'd probably start with it
> :and carry it until Sierra City, then switch into the Highlite for the
> :rest of the trip, possibly picking up the Ultralight again in
> :Washington
> :if I was running late. I have reviews of both bags at
> :http://whiteblaze.net. Look in the Gear Reviews section. The Highlite
> :review was written last year and so will be a bit buried, but the
> :Ultralight review I wrote recently. The posts would be under the user
> :name of chris.
> :
> :Suge
> :
> :---------------------------
> :Christopher Willett
> :cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> :Pierce College
> :9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> :Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
> :
> :> ----------
> :> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on behalf of Mike
> :Saenz
> :> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:53 PM
> :> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> :> Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> :>
> :> Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> :> bags.
> :> Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
> :>
> :> M i c h a e l "O i l c a n " S a e n z
> :> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> :> A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> :> w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> :>
> :>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:10:54 -0700
> From: Mark Wright <mellowmarky@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Journal by digital voice recorder
> To: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> I take lots of pictures when I go hiking and I prefer to jot down notes
> for each picture. I used to use a pencil and a small pad of paper but
> eventual got a Palm Pilot specifically for this purpose and it works
> great. It fits easily in my pocket so it's easy to get to and I don't
> notice the weight and when I get home I can sync it to my computer
> where I have easy access to my notes rather than having to fast-forward
> or rewind an audio file. The size of a text file is not an issue and
> I've never had to replace the batteries during a trip.
>
>
> Mark
>
> -----
> Have fun or die trying - but try not to actually die.
> http://www.AboveCalifornia.com
> Got Mac OS X? Get the AboveCalifornia Sherlock Channel:
> sherlock://www.AboveCalifornia.com/sherlock/SherlockChannel.xml?
> action=add
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> Wanna frag? Add the ..::LVL Sherlock Channel and get the newest Quake3
> maps:
> sherlock://www.AboveCalifornia.com/sherlock/LVL/SherlockChannel.xml?
> action=add
> On Sep 28, 2004, at 8:46 AM, dude wrote:
>
> > One thing that I thought the voice recorder would help with is
> > documenting photos. I always seem to come back from the trip and sit
> > there and look at several of my photos and say "hmmm. now was this X
> > lake or Y lake?" did the recorder help with that at all?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:06:43 -0700
> From: Steve Peterson <steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> To: Mike Saenz <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4159C453.3040303@sbcglobal.net>
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>
> I used a Nunatak quilt on my JMT trip; bags before that. The quilt will give you
> lots of shoulder room on warm nights, but on really cold ones you'll want to
> wrap it tightly around you to keep the drafts down. I'm not sure why you want
> the 70" shoulder girth--do you like the loose fit or are your shoulders huge? If
> you like the loose fit, I don't think the quilt is for you, since a loose fit
> seems to allow a lot of drafts. If your shoulders are huge, then Nunatak will be
> happy to custom-make you an extra large quilt.
>
> My quilt (larger than "Medium", smaller than "Long") weighs 22 oz, is rated at
> 20F, but wasn't quite warm enough for me even at 32 (but I wasn't in a tent, it
> was pretty breezy even on the calmest nights, and the humidity was extremely
> low, so maybe it was the environment (or me), rather than the quilt's rating
> that's at fault).
>
> Mike Saenz wrote:
> > Oh, I didn't mention: I was looking for the one that had something like
> > 70"+ shoulder girth...(yeah, I want it all and I want it NOW...).
> >
> > I mentioned to Ron that I liked the new tent, but then asked about a
> > bathtub floor....
> > I really WANT to put together an ultralight kit, but I just can't seem
> > to shake some of my lux habits...(the oilcan stays...)
> >
> > Ok. I looked at the Western Mountaineering bags. Nice stuff! 14 oz for a
> > 3-season bag!
> >
> > What about the quilts? Light and all the girth I could ever want?
> >
> > M i c h a e l S a e n z
> > McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> > w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Willett [mailto:CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:12 PM
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net; Mike Saenz
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> >
> > Try Western Mountaineering at www.westernmountaineering.com
> >
> > The Highlite (40 degrees) weighs in at 19 oz. in the 6' 6" version. It
> > certainly was not optimal for the High Sierra, but good enough for SoCal
> > and from Sierra City north. I finished in Canada in late August, so I
> > didn't have to contend with cold or bad weather up north. If I was to
> > do it again, I'd bring my Ultralight, which weighs in at 1 lb 15 oz in
> > the large size and is good to 20 degrees. I'd probably start with it
> > and carry it until Sierra City, then switch into the Highlite for the
> > rest of the trip, possibly picking up the Ultralight again in Washington
> > if I was running late. I have reviews of both bags at
> > http://whiteblaze.net. Look in the Gear Reviews section. The Highlite
> > review was written last year and so will be a bit buried, but the
> > Ultralight review I wrote recently. The posts would be under the user
> > name of chris.
> >
> > Suge
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > Christopher Willett
> > cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> > Pierce College
> > 9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> > Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
> >
> >
> >>----------
> >>From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on behalf of Mike
> >
> > Saenz
> >
> >>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:53 PM
> >>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> >>Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> >>
> >>Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> >>bags.
> >>Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
> >>
> >>M i c h a e l "O i l c a n " S a e n z
> >>McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> >>A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> >>w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:31:10 -0700
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> To: "Steve Peterson" <steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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>
> Oh ya...call me Ah-nold....
>
> No, don't have huge shoulders...
>
> I'm currently snoozing in a Sierra Designs Van Winkle Flex. 15 degree
> down bag with 72" inch girth. I simply LOVE the roomy feeling of being
> able to sleep in any position, yet be snug and warm on chilly nights
> (I'm in a tent, too).
>
> Here, yet again, I keep falling back into my lux habits....
>
> I'm making up a wish list of my dream ultralight kit and was thinking
> quilt for it's lightweight and roomy properties.
> I most likely won't use an ultralight kit for cold weather (I do 90% of
> my hiking in SoCal). I could get used to the smaller bags and traps if
> it will get me into running shoes and bigger mile days.
>
> I gotta catch up to my buddy, Bill.
>
> I'll NEVER give up my oilcan, though...
>
> M i c h a e l S a e n z
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Peterson [mailto:steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:07 PM
> To: Mike Saenz
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
>
> I used a Nunatak quilt on my JMT trip; bags before that. The quilt will
> give you
> lots of shoulder room on warm nights, but on really cold ones you'll
> want to
> wrap it tightly around you to keep the drafts down. I'm not sure why you
> want
> the 70" shoulder girth--do you like the loose fit or are your shoulders
> huge? If
> you like the loose fit, I don't think the quilt is for you, since a
> loose fit
> seems to allow a lot of drafts. If your shoulders are huge, then Nunatak
> will be
> happy to custom-make you an extra large quilt.
>
> My quilt (larger than "Medium", smaller than "Long") weighs 22 oz, is
> rated at
> 20F, but wasn't quite warm enough for me even at 32 (but I wasn't in a
> tent, it
> was pretty breezy even on the calmest nights, and the humidity was
> extremely
> low, so maybe it was the environment (or me), rather than the quilt's
> rating
> that's at fault).
>
> Mike Saenz wrote:
> > Oh, I didn't mention: I was looking for the one that had something
> like
> > 70"+ shoulder girth...(yeah, I want it all and I want it NOW...).
> >
> > I mentioned to Ron that I liked the new tent, but then asked about a
> > bathtub floor....
> > I really WANT to put together an ultralight kit, but I just can't seem
> > to shake some of my lux habits...(the oilcan stays...)
> >
> > Ok. I looked at the Western Mountaineering bags. Nice stuff! 14 oz for
> a
> > 3-season bag!
> >
> > What about the quilts? Light and all the girth I could ever want?
> >
> > M i c h a e l S a e n z
> > McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> > w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Willett [mailto:CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:12 PM
> > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net; Mike Saenz
> > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> >
> > Try Western Mountaineering at www.westernmountaineering.com
> >
> > The Highlite (40 degrees) weighs in at 19 oz. in the 6' 6" version.
> It
> > certainly was not optimal for the High Sierra, but good enough for
> SoCal
> > and from Sierra City north. I finished in Canada in late August, so I
> > didn't have to contend with cold or bad weather up north. If I was to
> > do it again, I'd bring my Ultralight, which weighs in at 1 lb 15 oz in
> > the large size and is good to 20 degrees. I'd probably start with it
> > and carry it until Sierra City, then switch into the Highlite for the
> > rest of the trip, possibly picking up the Ultralight again in
> Washington
> > if I was running late. I have reviews of both bags at
> > http://whiteblaze.net. Look in the Gear Reviews section. The
> Highlite
> > review was written last year and so will be a bit buried, but the
> > Ultralight review I wrote recently. The posts would be under the user
> > name of chris.
> >
> > Suge
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > Christopher Willett
> > cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> > Pierce College
> > 9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> > Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
> >
> >
> >>----------
> >>From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on behalf of Mike
> >
> > Saenz
> >
> >>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:53 PM
> >>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> >>Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> >>
> >>Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> >>bags.
> >>Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
> >>
> >>M i c h a e l "O i l c a n " S a e n z
> >>McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> >>A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> >>w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> >>
> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:37:23 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Journal by digital voice recorder
> To: mellowmarky@cox.net
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20040928213723.3C8DE86138E@mail.interchange.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> that does sound great, but since I am stupid-crazy about weight, I'd be
> concerned about the extra weight of a palm. I wonder if I can get a
> wrist watch with a notepad/pda thingy built in??? I've seen the Timex
> Ironman Data Port pda watches that synch with Microsoft Outlook and I
> was thinking about getting one, but I I don't think you can jot notes
> on it.
>
>
> > I take lots of pictures when I go hiking and I prefer to jot down
> > notes for each picture. I used to use a pencil and a small pad of
> > paper but eventual got a Palm Pilot specifically for this purpose and
> > it works great. It fits easily in my pocket so it's easy to get to and
> > I don't notice the weight and when I get home I can sync it to my
> > computer where I have easy access to my notes rather than having to
> > fast-forward or rewind an audio file. The size of a text file is not
> > an issue and I've never had to replace the batteries during a trip.
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----
> > Have fun or die trying - but try not to actually die.
> > http://www.AboveCalifornia.com
> > Got Mac OS X? Get the AboveCalifornia Sherlock Channel:
> > sherlock://www.AboveCalifornia.com/sherlock/SherlockChannel.xml?
> > action=add
> >
> > Wanna frag? Add the ..::LVL Sherlock Channel and get the newest Quake3
> > maps:
> > sherlock://www.AboveCalifornia.com/sherlock/LVL/SherlockChannel.xml?
> > action=add
> > On Sep 28, 2004, at 8:46 AM, dude wrote:
> >
> >> One thing that I thought the voice recorder would help with is
> >> documenting photos. I always seem to come back from the trip and sit
> >> there and look at several of my photos and say "hmmm. now was this X
> >> lake or Y lake?" did the recorder help with that at all?
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:04:00 -0700
> From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <009701c4a5a7$155bdd80$8000a8c0@STATION128>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> you gotta have pretty big shoulders for distance hiking with oilcans......
>
> I got so nervous sleeping in a 30 degree marmot hydrogen downbag in an open
> shires tarptent last Sierra hike (I was up there in late June this year and
> encountered some very wet conditions this time around) btwx condensation and
> misting, I'd think twice about any serious distances with down, and may go
> back to synthetic in the future. 'cause I love them tarptents hahaha.
>
> s.c
>
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> To: "Steve Peterson" <steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
>
>
> > Oh ya...call me Ah-nold....
> >
> > No, don't have huge shoulders...
> >
> > I'm currently snoozing in a Sierra Designs Van Winkle Flex. 15 degree
> > down bag with 72" inch girth. I simply LOVE the roomy feeling of being
> > able to sleep in any position, yet be snug and warm on chilly nights
> > (I'm in a tent, too).
> >
> > Here, yet again, I keep falling back into my lux habits....
> >
> > I'm making up a wish list of my dream ultralight kit and was thinking
> > quilt for it's lightweight and roomy properties.
> > I most likely won't use an ultralight kit for cold weather (I do 90% of
> > my hiking in SoCal). I could get used to the smaller bags and traps if
> > it will get me into running shoes and bigger mile days.
> >
> > I gotta catch up to my buddy, Bill.
> >
> > I'll NEVER give up my oilcan, though...
> >
> > M i c h a e l S a e n z
> > McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> > w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Peterson [mailto:steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:07 PM
> > To: Mike Saenz
> > Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> >
> > I used a Nunatak quilt on my JMT trip; bags before that. The quilt will
> > give you
> > lots of shoulder room on warm nights, but on really cold ones you'll
> > want to
> > wrap it tightly around you to keep the drafts down. I'm not sure why you
> > want
> > the 70" shoulder girth--do you like the loose fit or are your shoulders
> > huge? If
> > you like the loose fit, I don't think the quilt is for you, since a
> > loose fit
> > seems to allow a lot of drafts. If your shoulders are huge, then Nunatak
> > will be
> > happy to custom-make you an extra large quilt.
> >
> > My quilt (larger than "Medium", smaller than "Long") weighs 22 oz, is
> > rated at
> > 20F, but wasn't quite warm enough for me even at 32 (but I wasn't in a
> > tent, it
> > was pretty breezy even on the calmest nights, and the humidity was
> > extremely
> > low, so maybe it was the environment (or me), rather than the quilt's
> > rating
> > that's at fault).
> >
> > Mike Saenz wrote:
> > > Oh, I didn't mention: I was looking for the one that had something
> > like
> > > 70"+ shoulder girth...(yeah, I want it all and I want it NOW...).
> > >
> > > I mentioned to Ron that I liked the new tent, but then asked about a
> > > bathtub floor....
> > > I really WANT to put together an ultralight kit, but I just can't seem
> > > to shake some of my lux habits...(the oilcan stays...)
> > >
> > > Ok. I looked at the Western Mountaineering bags. Nice stuff! 14 oz for
> > a
> > > 3-season bag!
> > >
> > > What about the quilts? Light and all the girth I could ever want?
> > >
> > > M i c h a e l S a e n z
> > > McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > > A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> > > w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Willett [mailto:CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:12 PM
> > > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net; Mike Saenz
> > > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> > >
> > > Try Western Mountaineering at www.westernmountaineering.com
> > >
> > > The Highlite (40 degrees) weighs in at 19 oz. in the 6' 6" version.
> > It
> > > certainly was not optimal for the High Sierra, but good enough for
> > SoCal
> > > and from Sierra City north. I finished in Canada in late August, so I
> > > didn't have to contend with cold or bad weather up north. If I was to
> > > do it again, I'd bring my Ultralight, which weighs in at 1 lb 15 oz in
> > > the large size and is good to 20 degrees. I'd probably start with it
> > > and carry it until Sierra City, then switch into the Highlite for the
> > > rest of the trip, possibly picking up the Ultralight again in
> > Washington
> > > if I was running late. I have reviews of both bags at
> > > http://whiteblaze.net. Look in the Gear Reviews section. The
> > Highlite
> > > review was written last year and so will be a bit buried, but the
> > > Ultralight review I wrote recently. The posts would be under the user
> > > name of chris.
> > >
> > > Suge
> > >
> > > ---------------------------
> > > Christopher Willett
> > > cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> > > Pierce College
> > > 9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> > > Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
> > >
> > >
> > >>----------
> > >>From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on behalf of Mike
> > >
> > > Saenz
> > >
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:53 PM
> > >>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > >>Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> > >>
> > >>Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> > >>bags.
> > >>Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
> > >>
> > >>M i c h a e l "O i l c a n " S a e n z
> > >>McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > >>A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> > >>w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> > >>
> > >>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:21:24 -0700
> From: "RUTH WESTON" <ruthweston38@msn.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] any hikers left on the trail
> To: "pct-l" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY4-DAV190gxapzhad000252f6@hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Nowhere Man and Walking Carrot planned to finish yesterday (9/27). Their journal is on the PCT website. Usually a good read. I imagine the last posting will be out soon.
> Ruth
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:37:55 -0700
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> Subject: RE: [BULK] - Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> To: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>,
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <157A61E98909CA47A3BBC4D6E5A7737701CFA2B4@server3.mvenet.ad>
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>
> Shoot...
> After a few oilcans, who counting miles???
>
> ;)
>
> I know what you mean re wet down...
> Spent six hours next to Blue Lakes, under Mt Sneffels, CO in the
> absolute worse storm I've ever seen...
> The lake rose 2 feet during the night...
> The sound of rock slides (VW Bug size boulders) with timber snapping (we
> were AT treeline..) is a sound I want to forget.
> At one point I had 2" of water running under my tent (waterbed!).
>
> My North Face Slickrock stood it's ground, but the water was splashing
> up from underneath the fly and up over the bathtub floor and through the
> mesh wall...
>
> I had my pack and rain gear up against the mesh wall and hoping to God
> my bag stayed dry (it did), cuz I still had 5 days left to depend on
> it...
>
> August in Colorado...damn drought.
>
> Anyway- my goal is to put together an ultralight kit to do the local
> forests her in SoCal during the mild months. I won't expect to get
> extreme weather around here...
>
> The lighter the better the remoter the hiker...
>
>
> M i c h a e l S a e n z
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Steve
> Courtway
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:04 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [BULK] - Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
>
> you gotta have pretty big shoulders for distance hiking with
> oilcans......
>
> I got so nervous sleeping in a 30 degree marmot hydrogen downbag in an
> open
> shires tarptent last Sierra hike (I was up there in late June this year
> and
> encountered some very wet conditions this time around) btwx condensation
> and
> misting, I'd think twice about any serious distances with down, and may
> go
> back to synthetic in the future. 'cause I love them tarptents hahaha.
>
> s.c
>
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> To: "Steve Peterson" <steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 2:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
>
>
> > Oh ya...call me Ah-nold....
> >
> > No, don't have huge shoulders...
> >
> > I'm currently snoozing in a Sierra Designs Van Winkle Flex. 15 degree
> > down bag with 72" inch girth. I simply LOVE the roomy feeling of being
> > able to sleep in any position, yet be snug and warm on chilly nights
> > (I'm in a tent, too).
> >
> > Here, yet again, I keep falling back into my lux habits....
> >
> > I'm making up a wish list of my dream ultralight kit and was thinking
> > quilt for it's lightweight and roomy properties.
> > I most likely won't use an ultralight kit for cold weather (I do 90%
> of
> > my hiking in SoCal). I could get used to the smaller bags and traps if
> > it will get me into running shoes and bigger mile days.
> >
> > I gotta catch up to my buddy, Bill.
> >
> > I'll NEVER give up my oilcan, though...
> >
> > M i c h a e l S a e n z
> > McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> > w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Peterson [mailto:steve_peterson@sbcglobal.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:07 PM
> > To: Mike Saenz
> > Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> >
> > I used a Nunatak quilt on my JMT trip; bags before that. The quilt
> will
> > give you
> > lots of shoulder room on warm nights, but on really cold ones you'll
> > want to
> > wrap it tightly around you to keep the drafts down. I'm not sure why
> you
> > want
> > the 70" shoulder girth--do you like the loose fit or are your
> shoulders
> > huge? If
> > you like the loose fit, I don't think the quilt is for you, since a
> > loose fit
> > seems to allow a lot of drafts. If your shoulders are huge, then
> Nunatak
> > will be
> > happy to custom-make you an extra large quilt.
> >
> > My quilt (larger than "Medium", smaller than "Long") weighs 22 oz,
> is
> > rated at
> > 20F, but wasn't quite warm enough for me even at 32 (but I wasn't in a
> > tent, it
> > was pretty breezy even on the calmest nights, and the humidity was
> > extremely
> > low, so maybe it was the environment (or me), rather than the quilt's
> > rating
> > that's at fault).
> >
> > Mike Saenz wrote:
> > > Oh, I didn't mention: I was looking for the one that had something
> > like
> > > 70"+ shoulder girth...(yeah, I want it all and I want it NOW...).
> > >
> > > I mentioned to Ron that I liked the new tent, but then asked about a
> > > bathtub floor....
> > > I really WANT to put together an ultralight kit, but I just can't
> seem
> > > to shake some of my lux habits...(the oilcan stays...)
> > >
> > > Ok. I looked at the Western Mountaineering bags. Nice stuff! 14 oz
> for
> > a
> > > 3-season bag!
> > >
> > > What about the quilts? Light and all the girth I could ever want?
> > >
> > > M i c h a e l S a e n z
> > > McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > > A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> > > w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chris Willett [mailto:CWillett@pierce.ctc.edu]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:12 PM
> > > To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net; Mike Saenz
> > > Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> > >
> > > Try Western Mountaineering at www.westernmountaineering.com
> > >
> > > The Highlite (40 degrees) weighs in at 19 oz. in the 6' 6" version.
> > It
> > > certainly was not optimal for the High Sierra, but good enough for
> > SoCal
> > > and from Sierra City north. I finished in Canada in late August, so
> I
> > > didn't have to contend with cold or bad weather up north. If I was
> to
> > > do it again, I'd bring my Ultralight, which weighs in at 1 lb 15 oz
> in
> > > the large size and is good to 20 degrees. I'd probably start with
> it
> > > and carry it until Sierra City, then switch into the Highlite for
> the
> > > rest of the trip, possibly picking up the Ultralight again in
> > Washington
> > > if I was running late. I have reviews of both bags at
> > > http://whiteblaze.net. Look in the Gear Reviews section. The
> > Highlite
> > > review was written last year and so will be a bit buried, but the
> > > Ultralight review I wrote recently. The posts would be under the
> user
> > > name of chris.
> > >
> > > Suge
> > >
> > > ---------------------------
> > > Christopher Willett
> > > cwillett@pierce.ctc.edu
> > > Pierce College
> > > 9401 Farwest Drive SW.
> > > Lakewood, WA. 98498-1999
> > >
> > >
> > >>----------
> > >>From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net on behalf of Mike
> > >
> > > Saenz
> > >
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:53 PM
> > >>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> > >>Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> > >>
> > >>Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> > >>bags.
> > >>Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
> > >>
> > >>M i c h a e l "O i l c a n " S a e n z
> > >>McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> > >>A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> > >>w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 16:24:34 -0700
> From: "Judson Brown" <judson@jeffnet.org>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> To: "'Mike Saenz'" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>,
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000101c4a5b2$50f03de0$1159f142@pounder>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I can enthusiastically recommend my Western Mountaineering Megalite. Like
> the Highlite, but football-player-sized hikers. Less than 2 lbs. and quite
> comfy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net]On Behalf Of Mike Saenz
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:53 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
>
>
> Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> bags.
> Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
>
> M i c h a e l "O i l c a n " S a e n z
> McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
> A r c h i t e c t u r e P l a n n i n g I n t e r i o r s
> w w w . m v e - a r c h i t e c t s . c o m
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:00:09 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
> To: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>,
> <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <001f01c4a5b7$4abee840$6501a8c0@BOB>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Why not have the best of both worlds? Check out the Western Mountaineering
> Hooded Aspen MF. I've carried it on the PCT for three years and just love
> it.
> http://www.westernmountaineering.com/ba_HoodedAspenMF.htm
>
>
> 800+ down fill
> 32 ounces
> 25 degree rating
> has a down hood
> microfiber shell repells all wind and light rain
> semi-rectangular style
> two zippers - one side, one bottom
> open bottom to ventilate feet
> open both to make a down quilt to cover 1 or 2
> about $300
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:53 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hiker Sleeing Bags
>
>
> Not too long ago, there was a web link to some REALLY light sleeping
> bags.
> Does anyone have those links? Or recommendations on bags vs quilts?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:25:40 -0700
> From: Eric <radpin@gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] san diego / southern california trip
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <ee65fb510409281725fdcd650@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Hello all;
>
> I can say this is on topic because it's a gear test / training
> excersice for my thru hike in 05. :-)
>
> I'm trying to find something in Southern California, the closer to San
> Diego the better, that's suitable for backpacking and has flowing
> water for a bit of fishing. I was thinking the Kern River way up in
> Kennedy Meadows, but I'd rather minimize the drive if at all possible.
> I was thinking Big Laguna Lake, but I think with it being so dry that
> there probably isn't much left there.
>
> Eric
>
> --
> http://www.radpin.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:38:01 -0700
> From: Craig Milo Rogers <rogers@isi.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] Angeles NF Use Restrictions
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20040929013801.GA8497@isi.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> The Angeles National Forest Web site now contains a PDF map
> and a PDF text for the recent forest use restrictions:
>
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/documents/use_restrictions_map_9_27_2004.pdf
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/documents/use_restrictions_order_9_24_2004.pdf
>
> Note that the latter document requires a recent PDF reader to
> view.
>
> I note one discrepancy between the order, as written, and my
> telephone conversation with the ANgeles National Forest Supervisor's
> office. What if you want to hike on the PCT withing 1/8 mile of a
> listed open road? The person I talked to thought that would be OK,
> but the official order, as written, forbids it (i.e., as written, you
> can hike anywhere within 1/8 mile of a listed open road, *except* on
> an official trail or forest service road). Of course, I'm reading the
> order as though it were a computer program, based on logic...
>
> More importantly, note that it might be possible for SOBO
> throughhikers to get a special permit granting them permission to
> traverse the PCT *in spite* of the general closure order. I don't
> know how inclined the Angeles NF Supervisor would be to issue such a
> permit, but the possibility exists.
>
> Craig "Computer" Rogers
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:53:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Shutterbug steiner <shutterbugg313@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] san diego / southern california trip
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20040929015319.87668.qmail@web90004.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Running H20 in southern cal at this time of year is hard to come ...... I am familiar with the San Berdoos and the Gabriels ....... Going South to North - the upeper sections of Whitewater would have some water, Holcomb would have some pools in the Beaver Dams and Deep Creek below Splinters cabin and Lake Silverwood would all have fishing and be close to the PCT. Deep Creek and parts of White Water are closed but rarely enforced. The hike from Route 10 to 15 would take less than a week and would have at least 4 potential spots for somewhat mediocre fishing. There are no streams that I know of with fish in the Deep Creek to Kern River in KM.
>
> Duane
>
> Eric <radpin@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all;
>
> I can say this is on topic because it's a gear test / training
> excersice for my thru hike in 05. :-)
>
> I'm trying to find something in Southern California, the closer to San
> Diego the better, that's suitable for backpacking and has flowing
> water for a bit of fishing. I was thinking the Kern River way up in
> Kennedy Meadows, but I'd rather minimize the drive if at all possible.
> I was thinking Big Laguna Lake, but I think with it being so dry that
> there probably isn't much left there.
>
> Eric
>
> --
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:01:37 -0700
> From: <batdorff@coosnet.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <000601c4a5d0$b08ae610$9d096c0c@mycomputer>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I'm planning to hike from Red's Meadow south to Kearsarge Pass in
> mid-Oct. I have the following questions: (1) Is the shuttle from
> Mammonth Lakes to Red's Meadow still operating this time of year? (2) Is
> the trail still open i.e. no fire restrictions? (3) Are bear cans still
> required? (4) What can one expect for temperatures at that elevation?
> Thanks for you help.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:28:30 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
> To: <batdorff@coosnet.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <003701c4a5d4$64aa51f0$6501a8c0@BOB>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> For weather info along the JMT/PCT, see
> http://www.thru-hiker.com/JMTWeatherReport.asp, updated daily.
>
> Wandering Bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <batdorff@coosnet.com>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:01 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
>
>
> I'm planning to hike from Red's Meadow south to Kearsarge Pass in
> mid-Oct. What can one expect for temperatures at that elevation?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:11:09 -0700
> From: Mark Wright <mellowmarky@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
> To: <batdorff@coosnet.com>
> Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <F9B86995-11D5-11D9-A344-003065CDA9A0@cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> Ask the Inyo National Forest. If you can't find it on their Web site
> call them.
>
> http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/inyo/
>
>
> Mark
>
> -----
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> On Sep 28, 2004, at 8:01 PM, <batdorff@coosnet.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm planning to hike from Red's Meadow south to Kearsarge Pass in
> > mid-Oct. I have the following questions: (1) Is the shuttle from
> > Mammonth Lakes to Red's Meadow still operating this time of year? (2)
> > Is
> > the trail still open i.e. no fire restrictions? (3) Are bear cans
> > still
> > required? (4) What can one expect for temperatures at that elevation?
> > Thanks for you help.
> >
> > Jim
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> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:39:23 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Shutterbug steiner <shutterbugg313@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Cell phone charger
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> Anybody have any experience with this windable small devise charger. It is a windup charger with an emergency light that only weighs 2.5 oz and has high claims as most gadgets do. It might also alliviate some of the stress of loved ones back home and in a pinch might safe some lives.
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> sidewindercharger.com
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> Duane
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> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:33:03 MEST
> From: sodamail@noos.fr
> Subject: [pct-l] RE: Any thru-hikers left on the trail
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Hello there,
>
> I was section hiking the PCT in July, from walker Pass to
> lake tahoe, i met a Late Thru-Hiker at Chimney creek JULY
> 19, we spent a week together and we split at Mount
> Whitney late July so i guess he's close to the border now,
> this guy is RED BEARD, he helped me to keep going
> when i was weak, i owe you RED!
>
> French Bob
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> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 05:21:35 -0700
> From: "Joe Percival" <djpercival@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Red's Meadow South
> To: <batdorff@coosnet.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> In mid October you should be prepared for anything. You could easily get
> snow and temps down in the teens. A few years back a friend and I took a
> jaunt up to Rock Creek Lake right around the 15th and had to turn around
> because of snow.
> I'd definitely check the weather forecast regularly and make sure your car
> is parked someplace where they keep the roads plowed if rain / snow is
> anticipated.
> joe
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> I'm planning to hike from Red's Meadow south to Kearsarge Pass in
> mid-Oct. I have the following questions: (1) Is the shuttle from
> Mammonth Lakes to Red's Meadow still operating this time of year? (2) Is
> the trail still open i.e. no fire restrictions? (3) Are bear cans still
> required? (4) What can one expect for temperatures at that elevation?
> Thanks for you help.
>
> Jim
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