[pct-l] photos

[sierra_marmot at yahoo.com (John Randall)]

I think The Northerner's site on the PCTA web site has an excellent array of photos, up to Lassen.  While I wish Northerner would have x'ferd more photos of the second half of his hike, the photos of southern california and the Sierra Nevada were terrific.  He carried a real camera with him, which explains the depth of field his photos have, especially around Rae Lakes and Marie Lakes.  Tha Wookie's site also has good photos, mostly because of his favorite subject.
 
john

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1. Big Lake Youth Camp (WUJCIK,SCOTTIE (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
2. Re: hardest climb? (Steve Courtway)
3. RE: socks (Kent Ryhorchuk)
4. Re: socks (Christopher Willett)
5. re: ice axes (Kelly Kinneen)
6. Aquamira / Katadyn MP1 (Kent Ryhorchuk)
7. Re: socks (Edmond Meinfelder)
8. My Karma ran over your Dogma (Chuckie V)
9. Re: socks (dude)
10. RE: hardest climb? / Belden (The Mountain Goat)
11. Canadian Entry Permit (Elizabeth Macalaster & Dan Sayner)
12. RE: Responses to Photo Request (John Coyle)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:08:40 -0800
From: "WUJCIK,SCOTTIE (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" 
Subject: [pct-l] Big Lake Youth Camp
To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" 

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Greetings to all,

Several weeks ago I sent information to the listing that the Youth Camp at
Big Lake in Oregon had burned down due to the B & B fire this past summer.
This information was told to me by a forest service worker in the town of
Sisters when I happened through there as they were opening the highway for
the first time since the fires shut it down. This past weekend I skied to
the youth camp and found it standing intact and open. When I talked to the
caretaker there he stated that the youth camp near Suttle Lake just east of
them had burned down. So, if you "WERE" or are planning on using the Big
Lake youth camp as a re-supply point, they are operating and glad to be of
help to the PCT hikers. I apologize for the misinformation I sent out
earlier, I hope it hasn't caused any hardships for the class of 2004 thru
hikers.

Scottie
3lungs

P.S. Another example of not to trust what your government tells you.

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:13:18 -0800
From: "Steve Courtway" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hardest climb?
To: "pctl (E-mail)" 

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I'm sure morena butte right after you leave the southern monument has opened
alot of eyes as to what the pct is really like.

steve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Judson Brown" 
To: "pctl (E-mail)" 

Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 5:26 AM
Subject: [pct-l] hardest climb?


> OK, folks- here's your chance to chime in. What, IYHO, is the hardest
climb
> on the PCT? Reply just to me, and I'll compile the results so we can
> determine a "winner".
>
> Some rules...northbound only, and just pick one- not one for snowy
> conditions, one for longest climb, one for steepest, etc. Just pick one
> overall you think merits being called the hardest. I think this should be
> pretty interesting. As for myself, I haven't done the whole trail (yet) so
I
> won't vote.
>
> Judson
> Ashland
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:21:29 -0800
From: "Kent Ryhorchuk" 
Subject: RE: [pct-l] socks
To: 

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Three pairs of Smartwool hikers mated with three pairs of Fox River
X-Static liners lasted me 1700 miles. Provided you don't ever walk
around in just your socks, Smartwools can last a very long time indeed!
Other anecdotal accounts I have heard also indicate that you can finish
the whole trail on half a dozen pairs of good socks. Just have some new
ones mailed to you at Chester - the 1/2 way point.

Also, when it comes to budget I would not be stingy on anything related
to your feet. Your feet will hurt bad enough without having to deal with
blisters and chafing. Bad feet stopped or hobbled many people in
sections A and B the year I hiked, mostly due to blisters - even some
experienced AT hikers.

My shoe/sock system is:
Montrail Vitesse shoes $80
Flat Spenco green insole $9
Birkenstock blue footbed $50
Smartwool low-cut hiker $13 (x3)
Fox River X-Static liner sock $9 (x3)

I expect to go through 4-5 pairs of Vitesses and two rounds of socks.
The footbeds and insoles should last the whole trip.

It took me a while to figure this out over several years of hiking,
trail running and adventure racing but I went from getting blisters all
the time to hardly ever getting blisters at all. The point is that I
spent a lot of time on it, not that this system is necessarily right for
anybody else. Everybody's feet are different.

Good luck,
Kent.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Steve Setzer
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:29 AM
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] socks


What kind of socks are most thru hikers using? It seems like people
rotate through a ton of socks so they must not be smartwool ($16 per
pair!). Are you all really using nylon dress socks? I love smartwool
socks but I don't want to buy enough pairs to make it through a
thru-hike.
Maybe a few pair would last the whole way but I doubt it.

Steve


On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Jon Lovejoy wrote:

> Jim, I didn't see socks on your list. I carried 2 pair and had a fresh
> pair in every resupply box. I left a few in hiker boxes along the way
> and threw out a few, but it was worth it to me to always have fresh
> socks entering into the rotation.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:49:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Christopher Willett 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] socks
To: Steve Setzer 
Cc: pct-l@backcountry.net
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I used basic, ankle high running socks during my hike. I was wearing
trail runners and found the ankle highs to be about perfect. I tended 
to carry 3-4 pair with me and would put a fresh pair on every morning. 
This meant that I had to scrub out my socks sometime each day, but this 
wasn't much of a problem, particularly from Kennedy Meadows north. 
My favorite type were by Fox River. I don't think they are very
expensive. Note that SoCal chews socks: The sand and other debris that 
comes into the shoes burns holes in the socks. From Kennedy Meadows
north, I burned up 3 pairs of socks. From Mexico to Mojave, I went
through something like 5.

Suge

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Steve Setzer wrote:

> 
> What kind of socks are most thru hikers using? It seems like people
> rotate through a ton of socks so they must not be smartwool ($16 per
> pair!). Are you all really using nylon dress socks? I love smartwool
> socks but I don't want to buy enough pairs to make it through a thru-hike.
> Maybe a few pair would last the whole way but I doubt it.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Jon Lovejoy wrote:
> 
> > Jim, I didn't see socks on your list. I carried 2 pair and had a fresh
> > pair in every resupply box. I left a few in hiker boxes along the way
> > and threw out a few, but it was worth it to me to always have fresh
> > socks entering into the rotation.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:53:49 -0500
From: "Kelly Kinneen" 
Subject: [pct-l] re: ice axes
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I list-lurk a lot, so I thought I'd just throw in my two cents:

When I arrived at Kennedy Meadows in mid-June, I had not brought an ice
axe (I do, however, have training in how to use one). I was told by
several thru-hikers that I was courting death not to have an ice axe
through Forrester Pass (which we finally crossed about 6/22).

Terrified, I got out at Lone Pine and spent $50 on an ice axe that I
never pulled out. Not once. I was hiking with two others, and the three
of us were never in a situation where navigating the snow fields and
approaches required more than careful and deliberate stepping. If I did
it again, I think perhaps I'd carry trekking poles through the area, a
la Sly (see entry below). Peace of mind is a valuable thing, but an ice
axe for me was one step too far. 

If I had to advise someone like me, who'd never hiked in the Sierra, I'd
say: Relax. There are post-holes. You can time your approaches. Even if
you do decide that you want to carry an ice-axe, don't fret: learn how
to use it, but know that you probably never well.

Kelly
The Hiker Formerly Known as Detour


Actually since I didn't have training prior to my start and nearly took
off 
my shoulder off during practice on the trail, I felt much more
comfortable 
crossing steep snow with both poles, one shortened on the up hill side,
the other 
lengthened. This way it was much easier to maintain my balance.
Perhaps the 
most important factor, I also timed my passes to reach snow when it was 
softened and not icy. I could also prod along well in front of me to
test for icy 
"trail".

YMMV,

Sly

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:54:02 -0800
From: "Kent Ryhorchuk" 
Subject: [pct-l] Aquamira / Katadyn MP1
To: 

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Hi everybody,

I have been a big fan of Aquamira in the past - light weight, tastes ok,
and, as much as I can tell, effective. Enter Katadyn with the new MP1
tablets. I have tried these and found that they have a very similar
taste and effect as Aquamira. I'm not put off by the dire 4hr wait
warnings some have made about these - I'm sure that Aquamira would have
the same warning if McNett had bothered to have it EPA registered as a
purifier.

The tablets are really nice to use because there is no mixing and
waiting 5 minutes like Aquamira. One tablet / quart is nice as well
because I use 1qt Gatorade bottles for carrying water. The big problem
is that they cost an arm and a leg - about 5x the cost of Aquamira by
volume of treated water.

Is anybody else out there looking into using the tablets? Has anybody
made an effort to get some of these tablets for less than the MSRP? I
can't seem to find them anywhere on the web for less than $13.95 a
package.

Later,
Kent.



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:10:19 -0700
From: Edmond Meinfelder 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] socks
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
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At 10:29 AM 1/13/2004 -0700, Steve Setzer wrote:
>What kind of socks are most thru hikers using?

Most wear nylon socks in either the cheap Wal-mart variety or the expensive 
Fox River sock liners. They are great when your footwear have ample 
padding, they dry out in no-time and shed heat quite well. However, for 
some reason every time I got my nylon socks wet, I wore holes in them in 
about an hour or two of getting wet. I switched to Thorlo coolmax crew 
running socks and they lasted better for me.

I'm not yet sure what I'll use in the desert this time around. I'll likely 
take 2 pair of nylons and a pair of Thorlo's and treat the nylons as 
disposables.

Tangent



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:13:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Chuckie V 
Subject: [pct-l] My Karma ran over your Dogma
To: PCT-List 

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Living life is a risk of death too.

-Chuckie


>I will make another dogmatic statement: "Leaving 
>Kennedy Meadows in a 
>normal snow year without an Ice Axe, and the 
>knowledge how to use it, is 
>risking death."



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Hello all, at this time I would like to thank everybody for your help =
and ideas, as stated before,I would like to do the pct thing,and I am =
handicapped,,However,,I am strong,very strong,at 63 years,and I am not a =
stranger to the woods,I,ve lived close to the pct all my life,in =
Calif.,in Oregon,and Washington,I lived in as much as 7 foot of snow,in =
the Sierras, before I was hurt I followed snowed covered creeks,and =
found old cabins,and stayed in them for days at a time,and all I had was =
a back pack,matches,& a 22 rifle,I was a safety man in construction for =
several years,and saw everything from a twisted foot to a group that was =
exposed to hazardous gases,saw cuts to burns,broken bones,nail =
punctures,I know that I am doing,if in dought,DONT DO IT,I even have a =
confined space card several years,I,ve been in union safety class for 19 =
years,and have 4 people I personal saved there lives,two in a fire and =
two from drowning,NOW as I was saying ,,! I would not attempt this trip =
in this storm we just had,as a matter fact,I would not attempt this in =
any kind of danger as in snow or fire,Carol,,,! you dought me,,!but with =
the help from the backcountry,and people like you,I know just what I got =
to have ,and a cart was not the answere,and I searched from =
Donkeys,Goats,horse,s,and the best thing I found for me and my =
condition,are Llamas,as you said ,,this is got to be planned out =
well,and I think I did it and if your on the trail next summer,we just =
might meet & say HI, Howard L ruiz=20

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:45:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "dude" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] socks
To: Steven.Setzer@Colorado.EDU
Cc: pct-l@backcountry.net
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I used to wear nylon/polyester sock liners for skiing (I guess that I 
have a little more vanity than Jardine. haha.), but now I have 
discovered The Wright Sock, which is a double layer sock comprised of 
two thin synthetic socks. The first sock clings to your foot and the 
secod clings to the shoe, so all the rubbing is done between the 
layers of socks and not between your foot and the shoe (at least 
that's the theory, and it seems to work for me).

They make socks for Running, Hiking, and different purposes. I 
prefer the "lite" sock because its thinner (i really do not like 
thick socks):
http://www.wrightsock.com/lite.html

peace,
dude



> 
> What kind of socks are most thru hikers using? It seems like
> people rotate through a ton of socks so they must not be smartwool
> ($16 per pair!). Are you all really using nylon dress socks? I
> love smartwool socks but I don't want to buy enough pairs to make
> it through a thru-hike. Maybe a few pair would last the whole way
> but I doubt it.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Jon Lovejoy wrote:
> 
>> Jim, I didn't see socks on your list. I carried 2 pair and had a
>> fresh pair in every resupply box. I left a few in hiker boxes
>> along the way and threw out a few, but it was worth it to me to
>> always have fresh socks entering into the rotation.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:53:42 -0800 (PST)
From: The Mountain Goat 
Subject: RE: [pct-l] hardest climb? / Belden
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Belden is my home stomping grounds. 
The Indian Springs diversion is no longer. You can take either trail at this point. But that burnt section of Indian springs now has plenty of sticky thorns. So I really would 'stick' to the real PCT trail in this case.

FYI: Taking Indian springs to the PCT and then back to Belden on the PCT is a nice 26 mile warm up hike, just remmber gaters for the Indian Spring trip unless you like thorns!
-Mt Goat-

Kent Ryhorchuk wrote:
The alternate route north out of Belden - the Indian Springs trail
(2002). I'm not sure if the normal PCT route has been restored yet, but
I think that myself, Cathy and another person we hiked it with were the
only people that took the alternate route anyways. It was very hot,
completely burnt up, and ripped up by motorcycles. We followed it
because some signs indicated that the PCT was "closed" for
reconstruction due to landslides.

If you do decide to take this godforsaken trail, my advice is that there
is a decent spring about half way to Indian Springs 20 yards off the
trail. You will hear it and see a spur trail to it from a switchback. I
drank my only two quarts of water just to get there and I would have
been VERY thirsty by the time I got to Indian Springs without it. That

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