[pct-l] shuttle rides, bus service, stream crossing

[eyakel at earthlink.net (Eric Yakel)]

Silver pass creek is especially treacherous.  The reason is, if you slip and
get washed down stream very far, you come to cascades and a water fall.
There have been a couple of fatalities here.  Be careful.   Eric
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Randall" <sierra_marmot@yahoo.com>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:36 PM
Subject: [pct-l] shuttle rides, bus service, stream crossing


> I think you'd better check your Greyhound schedule again.  I believe the
LA-Reno once-a-day service was discontinued nearly two years ago.  There are
some alternatives.  Inyo County has a Lone Pine-Bishop twice a day service.
Greyhound does go across the desert toward Bakersfield with a stop at the
McDonalds in Mojave, which I think is going to be your closest bus stop to
get to KM.  Trail angels or hitching from there, I'm afraid.  There are some
names on this web site for eastside sierra shuttles, including the very
expensive Kontry Korners.
http://lomaprieta.sierraclub.org/pcs/info/shuttles.asp   You might call some
of the motels in Lone Pine and Independence (Kathy, owner of Ray's Den in
Independence comes to mind) to see if they know someone who could use some
cash.
>
> Using a rope to cross a stream is dangerous.  The only streams you're
really going to have a problem with in the High Sierra in early eason will
be Evolution Creek, Bear Creek (a bugger), and Silver Pass Creek just above
its junction with N. Fork Mono Creek(also very treacherous.)
>
> Good luck on your thru-hike.  You might want to re-think your eventual
goal and make Stevens Pass your final destination.  Nobody's going to be
thru-hiking Glacier Peak this year.  Maybe a hitch down to Lake Chelan and
see if you can pick up the trail north of the lake.
>
> john
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> 1. Re: Gear Test Notifications - Tabulations to date (Ilja Friedel)
> 2. Re: Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up
> (CMountainDave@aol.com)
> 3. Re: East side shuttle service? (Eckert)
> 4. Re: Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up (Marshall Karon)
> 5. Re: Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up
> (RBALCORN@cs.com)
> 6. Re: Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up
> (CMountainDave@aol.com)
> 7. Rope crossings (CMountainDave@aol.com)
> 8. Re: Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up (Joanne Lennox)
> 9. Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8 (CicelyB250@aol.com)
> 10. Re: Unsubscription info and rants (AsABat)
> 11. Re: Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8 (Ken Powers)
> 12. Digital Camera and Cold Weather (Marshall Karon)
> 13. RE: Digital Camera and Cold Weather (Daniel Strickland)
> 14. ELR to Ashland (Judson Brown)
> 15. RE: let's fish (Jeff Bohannon)
> 16. Re: Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up
> (Slyatpct@aol.com)
> 17. Re: Ice axe size (Slyatpct@aol.com)
> 18. Re: ELR to Ashland (Edmond Meinfelder)
> 19. Re: Kennedy Meadows Start (Slyatpct@aol.com)
> 20. Re: Quick question.. (Slyatpct@aol.com)
> 21. Re: Ice axe size (CMountainDave@aol.com)
> 22. Re: Unsubscription info and rants (Slyatpct@aol.com)
> 23. Re: Quick question.. (CMountainDave@aol.com)
> 24. Re: ELR to Ashland (Ken Powers)
> 25. Re: ELR to Ashland (Slyatpct@aol.com)
> 26. RE: Quick question.. (Gray)
> 27. Re: Quick question.. (dude)
> 28. Re: Quick question.. (Richard)
> 29. Re: Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up (Eric Yakel)
> 30. Re: Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up (Eric Yakel)
> 31. Re: Trailhead Travel, San Diego to Campo (Eric Yakel)
> 32. Re: ELR to Ashland (Eric Yakel)
> 33. Re: Quick question.. (CMountainDave@aol.com)
> 34. Re: Quick question.. (Ken Powers)
> 35. Re: Quick question.. (dude)
> 36. Re: ELR to Ashland (Marshall Karon)
> 37. Tahoe Rim Trail and PCT (ECPG)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:15:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ilja Friedel
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Gear Test Notifications - Tabulations to date
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Hi Ron,
>
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Ron Martino wrote:
> > As opposed to people who make an effort and spend their time writing
> > down opinions on the latest gear?
>
> They get free gear and write up an opinion on it. Quite like in academia,
> where people get grants, buy cool stuff and write papers about how they
> use their new toys. Shall we set up monthly postings with all the
> most recent abstracts from Nature and Science? Doable.
>
> > Have you actually looked at any of the reviews on BGT?
>
> They are a great ressource and I have looked at the reviews more then
> once. (But I only do so if I want to know more about a product.) Doesn't
> mean that I appreciate having monthly updates here. (Don't want to go
> shopping for gear every month.) But then again this is my opinion, yours
> my vary, etc. etc.
>
>
> Ilja.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:28:25 EST
> From: CMountainDave@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up
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> In a message dated 1/10/04 1:06:36 PM, RBALCORN@cs.com writes:
>
> << I know using a rope for stream crossings is recommended, but in
practice,
> the
> extra weight seems too much for the few times it would be useful. Is this
> something that would be on a thru hikers list for the JMT section? If so,
> what
> size of rope (diameter, material, length).
> >>
>
> Oh yeah, all thru hikers carry a rope. It builds character. None of them
go
> solo either. Just way too dangerous. Bears and lions and Oh My!
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:05:13 -0800
> From: Eckert
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] East side shuttle service?
> To: RBALCORN@cs.com, PCT
>
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> http://www.mammothlakestransportation.com/
>
> I've used him for a shuttle between the McGee Creek trailhead and the
> Mono Creek Trailhead, without a prior reservation. He met us at Tom's
> place within an hour of being called.
>
> Eckert
>
> RBALCORN@cs.com wrote:
>
> >There used to be an east side of the Sierras shuttle service Kountry
Korners,
> >but I just tried their 800 number - disconnected, and their two emails -
> >bounced. Does anyone know of another shuttle service?
> >Thanks,
> >Ralph Alcorn
> >www.backpack45.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:03:51 -0800
> From: "Marshall Karon"
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up
> To: ,
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> Ropes? What have you been reading? Forget the rope, just use a sky hook
and
> a helicopter! Or maybe one of those 007 jet packs.
>
> Seriously, if you need a rope, don't cross. You are in the wrong place.
> Besides, how the heck are you going to get it attached to something on the
> other side? A grappling hook in a cannon?
>
> Marshall Karon
> Portland, OR
> m.karon@comcast.net
>
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> Subject: [pct-l] Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up
>
>
> > I know using a rope for stream crossings is recommended, but in
practice,
> the
> > extra weight seems too much for the few times it would be useful. Is
this
> > something that would be on a thru hikers list for the JMT section? If
so,
> what
> > size of rope (diameter, material, length).
> >
> > Ralph Alcorn
> > www.backpack45.com
> > Shepherd Canyon Books
> > Publisher of We're in the Mountains, Not Over the Hill: Tales and Tips
> from
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:38:59 EST
> From: RBALCORN@cs.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up
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> I must have had a senior moment, thinking that ropes were recommended for
> stream crossing. In addition to the replies here, I went back and read Ray
> Jardines Pacific Crest Handbook section on stream crossing. While he was
with
> Outward Bound, they did a number of tests of stream crossing using ropes,
and
> concluded that it was very dangerous.
>
> Ralph Alcorn
> www.backpack45.com
> Shepherd Canyon Books
> Publisher of We're in the Mountains, Not Over the Hill: Tales and Tips
from
> Seasoned Women Backpackers
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:41:37 EST
> From: CMountainDave@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Hey, all kidding aside, if you want to carry about 75' of 4 mm rope. Put
the
> rope around a tree until its mid point. Then tie both ends to something on
> your body or around your waist. Then cross. If you slip the rope will keep
you
> from going too far down stream. When you get to the other side, pull on
one end
> of rope to retrieve it. No guarantees! You should be able to cross about a
20
> -25' wide creek
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:02:02 EST
> From: CMountainDave@aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Rope crossings
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
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> I agree with Jardine that a rope crossing can be dangerous if you use one
as
> a hand line. If you rely on it instead of a pole, it would stretch too
much
> and you would probably lose your balance. If you cross on its upstream
side and
> slip you could get caught on it or it could snag on something and you
might
> not be able to get back up again in the swift current. I think that a
belay by
> someone or the self belay I described would be somewhat safer, but again,
there
> is still the possibility of snagging the rope on a rock or sweeper log if
you
> fall
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:03:44 -0800
> From: "Joanne Lennox"
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Early season Streams Techniques - rope up
> To: ,
>
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> It is my understanding that a number of people have drown using a rope to
> cross streams. there are a lot of problems that can occur but the main
> dynamic appears to be that the rope itself has a lot of drag and is pulled
> under by the current. When somebody is tied to the rope, they are pulled
> under as well - no amount of strength can pull or push the body weight up
> against the current and the drag of the rope, and the body is being pushed
> so hard by the current that untying is not a possiblility either.
>
> One of best techniques of stream crossing is to cross in pairs - two
people
> anchoring each other in the current. I did this one time where the current
> was so strong and deep that I could not keep myself anchored in the stream
> bottom (I had to lean into the current to stay upright, but the lean
caused
> my feet to start slipping downstream). I crossed with my husband and on
> the down stream side - we both had sticks to stabilize us and these were
> held in the outside hands, I held onto his pack waistband, we moved one
> foot at a time.
>
> Make sure there are no log jams or drop offs down stream. Choose the
> widest area which is usually shallow (but look at the opposite bank to
make
> sure it is not a deep outside curve that you can't cross).
>
> I crossed upstream from the usual bad ones in the Sierras(Kings, Bear,
> Evolution , and Kerrick). somebody recently mentioned the spots. It was
> worth it to me to look around for a better place than the normal
crossing -
> which looked really bad to me.
>
> Joanne
>
> Joanne
>
>
>
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> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:18:54 EST
> From: CicelyB250@aol.com
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> Help. unsubscribe me please. Looking for specific info for my thru hike.
> These folks do too much ranting and not enough advice giving. thank you.
> Cicelyb is my "password"
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> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:30:00 -0800
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> CicleyB and others tolerating the lists rants -
>
> If you're planning on a thru-hike this year, I'd encourage you to stick
> around. The ranting will die down as April approaches and the cabin fever
> wanes. Then the list will contain more advice on transportation, resupply,
> water sources, snow levels, etc., etc., etc.
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> Also, don't forget the ADZPCTKO the last weekend of April. More info on
the
> kickoff will be at www.pct77.org/adz as the date gets closer. (Right now
it
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> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 19:59:33 -0800
> From: "Ken Powers"
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> If you want advice, ask a question. There is lots of experience among the
> subscribers. You'll get varying opinions sometimes. Then you can pick the
> solution that fits your method of hiking.
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> Ken
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> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:52:10 -0800
> From: "Marshall Karon"
> Subject: [pct-l] Digital Camera and Cold Weather
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> For those who have digital cameras, do they work at sub-freezing
temperatures? At desert temperatures?
>
> The specs I've seen rate them from Freezing (32) to 104 degrees F. It has
been known to get below freezing sometimes on the PCT and often when out
skiing or snow shoeing. And I'm sure some of those desert temperatures were
over 100.
>
> Marshall Karon
> Portland, OR
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> Greetings to the Class of 2004:
>
> It will be my pleasure again this year to host hikers in San Diego and
help them get a good start. I can meet hikers at the airport, Amtrak and bus
stations, and help with all kinds of Trailhead logistics. Grocery store and
post office runs are pretty routine. Sometimes we get out to REI or A-16.
Hikers usually spend a night or two at my house, and then we make a
Trailhead run, often at 4:00am for a firstlight start. I started in 1999
hosting 15 hikers in 9 groups. Last year it was 31 hikers in 15 groups.
Usually the Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of the ADZPCTKO we have a vanfull
of 6 hikers going out to the monument to start at firstlight. I am a school
teacher, so the earliest I can meet you is 3:00pm on school days. I am one
of the unofficial organizers of ADZPCTKO, so I will be at Lake Morena that
Saturday and Sunday.
>
> If you are looking for transporation from San Diego to the Trailhead
between mid-Apr and mid-May, send me an email with your arrival information
and I will make every effort to accomodate everybody. I have a supply of
white gas and alcohol, but if you need a particular fuel cannister, please
let me know in your initial message. (I will not tell anybody you are using
a store-bought stove.) Please include your airline and flight numbers so I
can coordinate pickups at the airport. You are welcome to ship advance
packages to me. Once initial contact is made by email, I will keep everybody
informed by regular email updates, which do not go to the list. I have
always been happy to host hikers without conditions, but due to a health
consideration of a family member, I must regrettably host only nonsmokers.
>
> Lastly, if you want to handle San Diego to Campo on your own, visit
www.sdcommute.com and click on the online trip planner. From this resource
you can determine that if you arrive after about 2:00pm, you cannot get to
Campo that day on public transportation.
>
> Whether I meet you or not, good luck to the Class of 2004.
>
> Hike on !! Bob Riess at the Trailhead in San Diego
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:06:00 -0500
> From: "Daniel Strickland"
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Digital Camera and Cold Weather
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> Well, I just got back from a bit of skiing, with temps between 0 and 20
the
> whole time (with a windchill of 10 degrees or so). Both my Canon Digital
> Elph SD10 and Canon Digital Rebel functioned properly at those temps. The
> Elph I definitely used on the 0 degree day, and the Rebel was out on a
15-20
> degree day. The cameras work slightly slower than normal (which is normal
> for most electronics running at those temps, i.e. you can actually see a
> delay in LCD updating and etc), but otherwise they were fine.
>
> The only glitch is when moving your camera quickly between two extremes.
> When taking it from a warm house out into the cold, or vice versa,
moisture
> can develop on the lenses and etc (just like what happens to glasses,
which
> generally only happens I notice going from cold to hot).
>
> Friends of mine had other digitals out there, another Canon, an Olympus,
and
> I don't recall what the other was. All theirs appeared to work properly as
> well.
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:18:04 -0800
> From: "Judson Brown"
> Subject: [pct-l] ELR to Ashland
> To: "pctl (E-mail)"
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> Next summer, starting around July 10th, I am planning on starting at Echo
> Lake Resort and hiking N to home in Ashland. I would like to tap your
> collective expertise a bit.
>
> What will I need in the way of permits in order to be official?
>
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