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- Subject: [pct-l] Alternatives for tent rope
- From: scottie.wujcik at hp.com (WUJCIK,SCOTTIE (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
- Date: Thu Jul 31 13:41:34 2003
Dude:
Dental floss for tent rope! Now that's a concept. Depending on how many
nights you plan on pitching your tent, you could double the strand for extra
strength. You never know until you try it. Good luck.
Scottie
(3lungs)
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Steri-Pen (Sean Crookham)
2. Re: money question (dude)
3. Re: Steri-Pen (Brick Robbins)
4. RE: Steri-Pen (Jeff King)
5. RE: 2004 PCT Gonnabes (Brian Bowlsby)
6. RE: Steri-Pen (Brick Robbins)
7. Laundry on a thru-hike? (Brian Bowlsby)
8. Umbrella with Trekking poles? (Brian Bowlsby)
9. Re: Laundry on a thru-hike? (Steve Courtway)
10. Alternatives for tent rope (dude)
11. Umbrella with Trekking poles? (Sean Crookham)
12. Re: money question (Trek 2000)
13. Re: Laundry on a thru-hike? (Trek 2000)
14. RE: money question (firefly)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:33:17 -0700
From: "Sean Crookham" <scrookham@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Steri-Pen
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Although true that one may not have to always purify water, I do highly
encourage and reccomend it. The presence of animal feces, carrion and human
beings makes me think better of going without filtering. I have contracted
Giardisis several times in the past and it's not fun. Squatting in the bush
is a miserable way to spend your hike. I use the Sweetwater Filter myself
and had great success with it. The only problem I encounter is the need for
frequent cleanings and clogging in silty conditions. An easy remedy to
clogging is to tie coffee filter (or bandana) around the prefilter of your
pump and you'll never have the problem again.
Sean aka Tick
>From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Steri-Pen
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:35:12 -0700
>
>At 09:02 AM 7/30/03, Jim Keener wrote:
>>Anyone use the Steri-Pen for water purification? What is your
>>experience
>>with it?
>
>Have a read of this http://www.californiamountaineer.com/giardia.pdf
>
>and maybe realize that you don't probably don't need to purify water
>once
>you leave Walker Pass.
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:43:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] money question
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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I have not thru-hiked, but from what I have seen and read about how
people resupply, I'd say that most people perpare a food box for
every resupply stop along the way and then prepare a set of detailed
instructions on when to mail each package and leave both the
instructions and packages with a trusted friend or family member for
them to mail according to the instructions.
As far as money spent on the trail, it can vary widely. Factors
cointributing to the variance are:
- how many restaurant meals you eat (its easy as hell to get into the
habit of eating at a restaurant at every opportunity possible and
even creating opportunities to eat at restaurants instead of trail
food)
- how many hotels/motels you stay in. Its also very easy to say "i'd
like a real bed and a shower" and then hit the local motel every few
weeks. If your gear fails (ie: down bag gets soaked), then you may
be forced to get a hotel/motel.
- How well you planned your food re-supplies and how well you are
willing to stick with it. If you get tired of eating corn pasta (or
whatever your staple food is) and you start buying supplemental food
at the grovery store, then you can certainly spend alot more than you
originally anticipated.
- how well your gear holds up, and how well you planned for gear
replacement. most people go through at least one pair of shoes or
boots on the trail and mail themselves a replacement along the way.
if you dont account for such things or if your tent/bag/clothing
fails, then you may encounter expenses that you didnt expect.
- entertainment/gifts. you could spend money on gifts, trinkets,
movies, entrance fees to nearby parks or tourist destinations.
- film processing. many people spend money mailing film back to
their home or to a developer.
- Lastly, of course it depends greatly on how fast you hike. An 85
day thru-hiker will inherently spend less than a 135 day thru-hiker.
I'd say that its concievable that one could spend as little as $150
on an 85 day thru-hike with no hotels and only modest restaurant
meals (one fast food every week) and no variance from your trail
menu, to as much as $2500-$3500 for people who take 135 days or more
and get frequent hotels and restaurant meals. It could be even more
if you also replace gear, spend money on gifts/recreation/film.
HTH,
dude
>
> I have a follow up to that question. Do most people usually prepare
> their food boxes ahead of time and have someone at home send them to
> you? Or do you buy food along the way and send it ahead to yourself?
> I'm sure its a mixed bag but I'm still curious.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Hayduke wrote:
>
>> I'd like to know how much people spend on a thru-hike of the PCT. The
>> number I am interested in is not really the "total" cost. I'm looking
>> for the amount spent "on the trail". Assume you already have all your
>> gear, and that you can get to Campo and return from Manning Park. So
>> basically I want to know how much is spent on food and expenses along
>> the trail. Trail expenses are food, lodging, mailing boxes, and
>> replacement gear (am I forgetting anything?). How much do folks
>> usually spend over the course of the hike?
>>
>> Thanks for your input :-)
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:03:21 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Steri-Pen
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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At 10:33 AM 7/30/03, Sean Crookham wrote:
>Although true that one may not have to always purify water, I do highly
>encourage and reccomend it. The presence of animal feces, carrion and
>human beings makes me think better of going without filtering.
Hike your own hike, but thru-hiking is often a matter of only carrying the
gear that is needed. Since measured levels of Giardia in the High Sierra is
LOWER than they are in the municipal water system of San Francisco, it
doesn't seem worth carrying the extra weight. Just like it doesn't seem
worth carrying a 4 season tent.
That being said, water in **Southern California** is probably not as
pristine as in the High Sierra, but I don't think Giardia is the big
problem down south. I'd be more worried about Coliform Bacteria, and many
"giardia filters" don't remove that so if you rely on a filter, make sure
to pick the right one.
> I have contracted Giardisis several times in the past and it's not
> fun.
> Squatting in the bush is a miserable way to spend your hike.
It probably wasn't Giardia (did you have a definite diagnosis, or was it
presumptive?), and if it was, you probably didn't get it from the water.
>I use the Sweetwater Filter myself and had great success with it.
In a survey on the A.T. a few years back, use of filter had no bearing on
whether a hiker got intestinal illness or not. I'm glad you feel your
filter worked for you.
Once again, read the article at
http://www.californiamountaineer.com/giardia.pdf before you decide what to
carry. Don't rely entirely on anecdotal evidence from list members (even
me...<g>)
--
Brick Robbins
How is it one careless match can start a forest fire,
but it takes a whole box to start a campfire?
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:46:02 -0700
From: "Jeff King" <jeff@jsza.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Steri-Pen
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The referenced article in no way answers Jim's inquiry about the Steri-Pen.
I would also like to hear about people's experience about the Steri-Pen as
well since I have a friend who is considering using one on an upcoming hike
and overseas travel as well.
Why does every inquiry about water filtration/purification have to spark the
"to filter or not to filter" debate? Besides, there are other organisms in
water besides Giardia and other uses for water filtration/purfication
besides hiking the PCT north of Walker Pass (like south of Walker Pass,
other trails, other countries).
So, if you have some feedback about the Steri-Pen, I'd like to hear about it
(as well as Jim would since he asked first).
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From: Brick Robbins [mailto:brick@fastpack.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:35 AM
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Steri-Pen
At 09:02 AM 7/30/03, Jim Keener wrote:
>Anyone use the Steri-Pen for water purification? What is your
>experience with it?
Have a read of this http://www.californiamountaineer.com/giardia.pdf
and maybe realize that you don't probably don't need to purify water once
you leave Walker Pass.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:21:28 -0700
From: Brian Bowlsby <BrianBowlsby@ieice.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] 2004 PCT Gonnabes
To: 'Mountain Maiden' <mtnmdn1225@yahoo.com>
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I'd like to get on that list too. However, I think that the largest wealth
of info on anything PCT is right here on the PCT-L list.
Brian Bowlsby - b.bowlsby@comcast.net
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Subject: [pct-l] 2004 PCT Gonnabes
Ok--This is what we have so far. Anyone else-----please add your name to
the list. Anyone have a preference/suggestion as to how/what group to form?
On Trail Journals, Yahoo--whatever?
Also--pls add your Trail name if you already have one. THANKS!
Sean Crookham scrookham@hotmail.com
JDRows jdrows@comcast.net
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Remember that happiness is a way of travel - not a destination.
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Yesterday I wrote a long response to this but accidentally sent it to an
individual instead of the group. So here is a quick repeat:
RUN to this website: www.trailquest.net and look up "Dancing Light Gear". I
have the Tacoma for 2 Tent, and had it custom made to be big enough for 3
people instead of two. (This is to accomodate 2 people and a large dog, but
that's a long story. <G>) When I am solo, I use a Hennessy Hammock, but the
Tacoma is the BEST tent I have ever owned. About 2 years ago, when I was
transitioning to lightweight backpacking, I spent months researching
shelters. I read Jardine's book, re-read Colin Fletcher's book, and even
tried making my own silnylon tarp. I don't have the patience for sewing,
especially with slippery silnylon. I have probably owned a dozen shelters
over the years. No telling how much money I wasted in the past 5 years
before I bought the Tacoma. It is not cheap, but it may be the last
backpacking tent I ever own. Mine is 45 square feet, with a bathtub floor,
and weighs under 3 pounds. I forgot the exact weight. It sets up with hiking
poles, which I use anyway. They also make the Tacoma as a SINGLE, or as a
tarp instead of tent. They have other shelters, too, all extremely
lightweight. They sell alcohol stoves, rain gear, etc.
Trailquest is custom made gear done by expert ultra lighters Carole Wellman
and David Maulding. They hike every summer, and all their gear is made to
order. They are on the CDT trail right now so the store is closed until they
return. They have the ideal life. They hike all summer and make gear the
remainder of the year.
Even if you don't buy any of their gear, I don't know anybody who knows more
about safely hiking light. They go farther than I am personally comfortable
with, but if I hiked as much as they do I might change my thinking on that,
too.
Another outstanding source of info is the Backpacking Light Yahoo group.
Huge group, very, very smart and nice folks there.
Marsanne
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:24:23 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Steri-Pen
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At 12:46 PM 7/30/03, Jeff King wrote:
>So, if you have some feedback about the Steri-Pen, I'd like to hear
>about it (as well as Jim would since he asked first).
OK. I've been interested in these for a while for trips overseas, so I've
done some asking.
I have not used one, but several friends have recently returned from Iraq ,
where they are in common use by the troops (I live in San Diego, with a
large number Sailors & Marines around.) Like Camelback water bladders, they
were not issued, but lots of folks have them.
They weigh 6-8oz depending on the batteries. They say to use them in clear
water, but not in cloudy water. Fairly rugged as long as the cover is on
them, but quite fragile without the cover. Complaints were that you
couldn't use them directly in a camelback, in narrow neck bottles or in
containers bigger than a liter.
Expensive, at about $200. If you get one from a military PX or Exchange,
they will be olive drab. Commercial ones are white.
No one I asked knew how long the batteries lasted. Most seemed to like them
because the water didn't taste of chemical treatment. Nobody could really
answer if they purified the water better or worse than the tablets, just
that it tasted better. I guess a lot of what was available to drink was
pretty skanky anyway. Sounded like Kelso Valley.
Is that what you were after?
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:42:53 -0700
From: Brian Bowlsby <BrianBowlsby@ieice.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Laundry on a thru-hike?
To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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I have the PCT town guide already, which lists which towns have laundry
facilities in them etc.
My question is how do you get the stinky clothes you've been wearing for the
last week in with the rest of the laundry? Do you wear your rain gear and
nothing else, or do you put on your less stinky extra clothing? I don't
carry much for extra clothing, other than a set of thermal underwear and
raingear, so I was wondering how the rest of you do it?
Also, I was wondering how much money I should allot myself for resupply days
in order to do laundry, pick up/send resupply package, eat, purchase
consumables such as cheese and other perishable items, and any other unknown
expenses?
Thanks,
Brian
2004 gonnabe
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:52:15 -0700
From: Brian Bowlsby <BrianBowlsby@ieice.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Umbrella with Trekking poles?
To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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I'm considering bringing an umbrella on my thru-hike, but also prefer to use
trekking poles.
Has anyone figured out how to use an umbrella and still have use of trekking
poles effectively? Is there some way I can mount the umbrella to my pack or
something?
I've heard that if I don't bring an umbrella, I'll wish I had. I'm just not
sure how to combine the two...
Any thoughts?
Brian
2004 gonnabe
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:14:38 -0700
From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Laundry on a thru-hike?
To: "Brian Bowlsby" <BrianBowlsby@ieice.com>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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most parkas extend well, at least a little past the waist, right ?
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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:42 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Laundry on a thru-hike?
> I have the PCT town guide already, which lists which towns have
> laundry facilities in them etc.
>
> My question is how do you get the stinky clothes you've been wearing
> for
the
> last week in with the rest of the laundry? Do you wear your rain gear
> and nothing else, or do you put on your less stinky extra clothing? I
> don't carry much for extra clothing, other than a set of thermal
> underwear and raingear, so I was wondering how the rest of you do it?
>
> Also, I was wondering how much money I should allot myself for
> resupply
days
> in order to do laundry, pick up/send resupply package, eat, purchase
> consumables such as cheese and other perishable items, and any other
unknown
> expenses?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
> 2004 gonnabe
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:39:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
Subject: [pct-l] Alternatives for tent rope
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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I am looking for a super-light-weight alternative to regulay nylon
cord for pitching a tent or tarp.
This seems absolutely over-the-top crazy, but I have to check it
out. I was looking at my Glide dental floss and saw that it is made
by the Gore Corporation, which also makes Goretex. The floss is made
of teflon, which is what bullet-proof vests used to be made from.
This got me thinking that I might be able to use the floss to pitch a
tent/tarp.
Has anyone ever tried anything similar? ...or have information about
the strength of this floss?
thanks,
dude
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:35:36 -0700
From: "Sean Crookham" <scrookham@hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Umbrella with Trekking poles?
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Brian,
I plan on using an umbrella on my thru-hike also. (Especially the So Cal
portion) I was going to rig up some sort of umbrella holder using a section
of PVC to place the umbrella handle in. (a sort of hands free approach)
Sean aka Tick
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:12:42 -0700
From: "Trek 2000" <boliviahike@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] money question
To: Steven.Setzer@Colorado.EDU, hayduke@toughguy.net
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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I say it depends on resolve - we were determined not to spend much money and
said we would eat out of our boxes and camp even in town stops. That lasted
until about Big Bear (which wasn't bad...) and then we went into town and
had these amazing huge vegy burgers which tasted all the better for not
having had anything like that for so long.
By Oregon I was eating out at every opportunity, and by Washington, motels
it was....
>From: Steve Setzer <Steven.Setzer@Colorado.EDU>
>To: Hayduke <hayduke@toughguy.net>
>CC: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] money question
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:01:26 -0600 (MDT)
>
>
>I have a follow up to that question. Do most people usually prepare
>their food boxes ahead of time and have someone at home send them to
>you? Or do you buy food along the way and send it ahead to yourself?
>I'm sure its a mixed bag but I'm still curious.
>
>Steve
>
>
>On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Hayduke wrote:
>
> > I'd like to know how much people spend on a thru-hike of the PCT.
> > The number I am interested in is not really the "total" cost. I'm
>looking for the amount spent "on the trail". Assume you already have
>all
>your gear, and that you can get to Campo and return from Manning Park.
> > So basically I want to know how much is spent on food and expenses
> > along
>the trail. Trail expenses are food, lodging, mailing boxes, and
>replacement
>gear (am I forgetting anything?).
> > How much do folks usually spend over the course of the hike?
> >
> > Thanks for your input :-)
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 05:18:53 -0700
From: "Trek 2000" <boliviahike@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Laundry on a thru-hike?
To: BrianBowlsby@ieice.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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A sarong is a very useful, very light addition for these circumstances. I
took one on my thru-hike and used it all the way, also as an anti-mosquito
layer when in hot places.
Singing Wolf
>From: Brian Bowlsby <BrianBowlsby@ieice.com>
>To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Laundry on a thru-hike?
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:42:53 -0700
>
>I have the PCT town guide already, which lists which towns have laundry
>facilities in them etc.
>
>My question is how do you get the stinky clothes you've been wearing
>for
>the
>last week in with the rest of the laundry? Do you wear your rain gear and
>nothing else, or do you put on your less stinky extra clothing? I don't
>carry much for extra clothing, other than a set of thermal underwear and
>raingear, so I was wondering how the rest of you do it?
>
>Also, I was wondering how much money I should allot myself for resupply
>days
>in order to do laundry, pick up/send resupply package, eat, purchase
>consumables such as cheese and other perishable items, and any other
>unknown
>expenses?
>
>Thanks,
>Brian
>2004 gonnabe
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:42:43 -0500
From: "firefly" <firefly@eatel.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] money question
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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>From what I saw while I was hanging around the Truckee/Tahoe area, by
>the
time people get through Yosemite very few of them can resist getting
hotel/motel rooms and town meals. Also, Tahoe, with all its temptations, is
just a couple of miles off the trail. Most of those casinos have buffets.
And I did not meet a single hiker who did not have to replace more than just
shoes. I myself shuttled a carload down to Reno to the REI and Sierra
Trading Post for clothes. They wear out on the trail and you won't know
when. We also took people grocery shopping, bought them beers, etc. Lots of
people will buy beers for thru hikers, knowing they have limited money. I
have heard many, many stories about people offering free housing, showers,
beer, food, rides, etc. I would not go out there with less than 2 or 3 grand
available, in case I needed it. MARSANNE
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