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Howdy,
Could someone post the mailing address of Donna Saufly, I would like to forward a resupply to her for pick up when I get out of the San Gabriels...
thanks all.
Tedster

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Film verses Digital on the Trail (ECPG)
2. Really Depressing Bear Story (John Coyle)
3. water report -- San Jacintos -- 15-19 May, 2004 (moon dancer)
4. Re: Really Depressing Bear Story (Slyatpct@aol.com)
5. Re: Really Depressing Bear Story (Bob Bankhead)
6. section F shuttle and parking (pcnst2001@covad.net)
7. Re: Really Depressing Bear Story (Eric Yakel)
8. Fwd: Sierra Snow Melt (Bighummel@aol.com)
9. Re: Bear Attack.... or Food for thought (Mark Wright)
10. Resupply (AT1996@aol.com)
11. Resupply (yogi yogi)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:23:10 -0700
From: "ECPG" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Film verses Digital on the Trail
To: "pct-l" 

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I showed up with my trusty Pentax K-1000 to a photography class and we were
asked to show our cameras. All the fancy digital stuff came out, and then it
was my turn.
The teacher got this nostalgic look on his face and said, "Boy, that's a
workhorse! You could run over it with a truck."
It also takes awesome photos and the goats can't kill it.

Carolyn Eddy
Goattracks Magazine
www.goattracksmagazine.com






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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:30:46 -0700
From: John Coyle 
Subject: [pct-l] Really Depressing Bear Story
To: "'pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net'" 

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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but for a really depressing bear story
from today's Sacramento Bee go to:
http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/environment/story/9370702p-10295178c.html

John Coyle



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:09:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: moon dancer 
Subject: [pct-l] water report -- San Jacintos -- 15-19 May, 2004
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Cc: info@pcta.org
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Here's a water report for the San Jacintos (Calif.
Section B, CA 74 to I-10):

15 May: cache at Hwy 74 -- at least 15 gallons present

15 May: Penrod Cyn -- a small pool of water L of trail
as it crosses the canyon bottom for the first (i.e.,
southernmost) time. Did not look appetizing.

Live Oak Spring -- I did not visit, but hikers I met
report it's doing well.

16 May: Cedar Spring -- moderate trickling flow out of
pipe, trough full

16 May: Fobes Saddle -- did not see any evidence of a
water cache here (but admittedly I didn't look too
hard)

16 May: Tahquitz Valley -- stream flowing well across
PCT 0.1 miles before TV trail jct.

17 May: Strawberry Cienaga -- flowing -- need dipper
to collect water

17 May: N Fork, San Jacinto River -- running well. 
Also running well are the tributaries encountered 1/2
mile and 3/4 mile N of here. In other words, since
you're probably carring LOTS of water from here, you
can shorten your burden just a bit by taking water
from the second tributary.

Black Mtn Campsite -- did not visit, but a handwritten
note attached to the post on the S side of Black Mtn
Rd indicates water is available at BMC. This note was
dated 12 May, but the note was hard to read, and so I
could be wrong about this date. The precise location
of this water at BMC is given on the note.

19 May: Snow Cyn Rd fountain -- operating in good
order

Enjoy!

-- moondancer




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:18:09 EDT
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Really Depressing Bear Story
To: jcoyle@sanjuan.edu, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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In a message dated 5/21/2004 3:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jcoyle@sanjuan.edu writes:

> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but for a really depressing bear story
> from today's Sacramento Bee go to:
> http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/environment/story/9370702p-10295178c.html
> 

The sheriff's deputy doesn't appear too bright.



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:04:39 -0700
From: "Bob Bankhead" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Really Depressing Bear Story
To: 

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It may not be the deputy's fault. Her superiors are responsible for her
actions.
Was this deputy trained on this weapon? If not, why was she using it?
If this deputy can't tell the difference in the types of ammunition she's
loading, why is she allowed to use the weapon?
If this deputy can't remember that the last shell into the magazine is the
first one fired, why is she allowed to use ANY weapon?

That said, send her to Yosemite/Kings Canyon/Sequoia National Parks. They
have way too many bears for the number of square miles available. Let her
reduce the ursine population by 99%. The remaining bears will then be able
to live off the land instead of having to live off the campers. Yes, I
know.....that's not politically correct. Too bad. Consider it the price to
be paid to correct years of horrible wildlife management practices.

Wandering Bob


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>
> The sheriff's deputy doesn't appear too bright.





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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:43:41 -0400
From: 

Subject: [pct-l] section F shuttle and parking
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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I would like to do section F southbound around Memorial Day, and I was wondering
if local people in
that area have any opinions about parking at the Cameron Rd exit on Hwy 58. 
That would
be the most convenient way for me, to park at the south end and get to the north
end and hike back. The parking at Walker Pass campground is further from the
highway
and so perhaps more, or perhaps less, secure. Two years ago I left my car at
Walker Pass
while I walked back from Horseshoe Meadow without incident. Anyway I won't
leave anything in the
car while I am gone.

As for getting to the other end, having not had much luck hitchhiking two years ago, 
I was planning to hire a taxi from Ridgecrest or Lancaster at, no doubt, great
expense.

Or if somebody else would like to do that section at that time and would like to
arrange some
kind of shuttle, let me know.




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 16:32:47 -0700
From: "Eric Yakel" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Really Depressing Bear Story
To: , ,


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I'm a Sheriff's Deputy in Riverside County and I have to admit that this
was pretty bad. You should be able to tell the difference in rounds
especially if you are
in the process of loading the weapon as she seems to have been doing. Go
ahead and bash away. We earned this one!

Eric
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Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Really Depressing Bear Story


> In a message dated 5/21/2004 3:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jcoyle@sanjuan.edu writes:
>
> > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but for a really depressing bear
story
> > from today's Sacramento Bee go to:
> >
http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/environment/story/9370702p-10295178c.html
> >
>
> The sheriff's deputy doesn't appear too bright.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 20:17:07 EDT
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Sierra Snow Melt
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
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The Sierra snow melt is in full rage. There is hardly any snow registering 
on any of the snow survey sites and only 4 inches at 11,400 feet elevation at 
Tyndall Creek site just south of Forester Pass. 

If I were hiking this year I would be willing to risk entering the Sierra 
now, but would carry an ice axe and perhaps instep crampons for getting over the 
higher passes. In two weeks or so, this equipment might not be even 
necessary.

This early of a snow meltoff matches that of 1977 in which the least amount 
of snow on record fell on the Sierra during the previous winter.

This is all in my humble opinion and your decisions should be based upon your 
own skills, experience and comfort with snow, ice and runoff conditions.

Good luck!

Greg

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:30:45 -0700
From: Mark Wright 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Attack.... or Food for thought
To: Paul Freiman/Vicki Cavataio 

Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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If you park your car in bear country it is good to keep it clean and 
orderly inside before you leave it. If bears look into your car and 
it's messy with stuff scattered about they may break in expecting to 
find food beneath the mess, even if you were careful to remove all food 
and other smelly stuff (shampoo, soap, deodorant, etc).


Mark

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On May 20, 2004, at 1:22 AM, Paul Freiman/Vicki Cavataio wrote:

> The same with Mark, who didn't have food in the car but got his car 
> destroyed anyway, because the bears associate cars with food. Do you 
> think Mark was stupid? His car didn't have food in it.



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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 09:14:19 EDT
From: AT1996@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Resupply
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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What would you suggest for resupply points on a three-week section hike from 
I-15 to Walker Pass? 

Dan


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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:20:54 -0500
From: "yogi yogi" 
Subject: [pct-l] Resupply
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>From I-15 to Walker Pass, most hikers use these resupply points:

Wrightwood - very close to the beginning of your trip.
The Saufleys in Agua Dulce - don't miss this!
Mojave or Tehachapi - I like Mojave.

yogi

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