[pct-l] HalfWay>Lodge>Trail>Bus>Airport>Inexpensive

[sierra_marmot at yahoo.com (John Randall)]

Rik,
 
Tough combination, Rik.  I don't think there is a place along the whole trail that matches your criteria.   The Crystal Wood Lodge near Crater Lake is as close as you're going to get, however it is (expensive).   Also, close-to-trail will involve a hitchike.  For the (bus) and (airport) criteria, you can substitute train.  There is a train that gets you to the lodge, or close by, that you can take from Portland.  The lodge is half-way between Klamath Falls (airport) and Crater Lake.
http://www.crystalwoodlodge.com/act.html?source=overture
 
If you can get to the lake itself, http://www.craterlakelodges.com/
 
Before that it would be various motels/hotels in the Lake Tahoe area, which in my opinion lack the romantic flavor of the trail.  Afterwards, the Timberline Lodge in Government Camp, east of Portland, is a very nice place to stay (bring $$).
 
 
john randall
 
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1. Half way Break? (Richard Hare)
2. Re: gates in the Sierra (Joanne Lennox)
3. digital camera phones. (David Tibor)
4. Snow lessons and ax question (Gene Neagle)
5. Re: gates in the Sierra (dude)
6. Contacts (Christopher Power)
7. Re: Contacts and....hiking boots?? (CMountainDave@aol.com)
8. Re: hiking boots?? (Ken Powers)
9. RE: Snow lessons and ax question (Brian Bowlsby)
10. Re: pct'04 planning (Ken Powers)
11. Santa Monica Hiking (Ben Holmes)
12. Re: gates in the Sierra (Joanne Lennox)
13. Re: gates in the Sierra (Ilja Friedel)
14. Gates in the Sierras (Joanne Lennox)
15. RE: Running Shoes vs. Hiking boots (John Coyle)
16. Re: gates in the Sierra (dude)
17. Re: Gates in the Sierras (Bighummel@aol.com)
18. WWW: Wear whatever works on your feet (conniedavis@earthlink.net)
19. Socal guide (Judson Brown)
20. contacts and hiking boots (maripper@mindspring.com)
21. A cow story (Was: gates in the Sierra) (AsABat)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:32:33 -0000
From: "Richard Hare" 
Subject: [pct-l] Half way Break?
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Hello All,

My girlfriend wants to come out from England and meet me half way through my
PCT trip so I'm looking for suggestions for a place for us to stay for a
week. I was thinking along the lines of a nice mountain lodge reasonably
priced somewhere around Northern California not too far off the trail, but
reasonably near a main airport and easily reached by bus. Any suggestions
from someone with local knowledge would be most welcome.


Rik

Richard Hare
10 Brook Avenue
Hassocks
Sussex
BN6 8LG
United Kingdom

Tel: +44 (0)1273 842192
Mobile: 07789 266339

richard@hare22.demon.co.uk
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:31:07 -0800
From: "Joanne Lennox" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] gates in the Sierra
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Whoa!!!! Not any grazing rights in the Parks or wilderness along the PCT
as far as I know and that includes most of what I would call the PCT Sierra
; There are a few areas that do have grazing (Monache Meadow), but none
of these had fences as far as I know. Depends where you are talking about
and what you mean by the "Sierra" . Grazing in the lower Sierras foothills
does not usually start until the end of June.

There are "drift fences" in a few places put there by packers, often by
those that are licensed for that area or by contractors that are doing
trail maintenance. They can be used by anybody with stock. These limit
the problems with wandering stock.

You saw cattle and goats in the Sierras near a gate?????? WHERE ???

Goforth


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:52:18 -0800 (PST)
From: David Tibor 
Subject: [pct-l] digital camera phones.
To: PCT-L 

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> I just saw an ad in Time advertising a new picture
phone that has a 1.3 mega pixel capacity. For someone
like me who is not really into photography and has 
relied on throwaway cameras in the past, I think the
quality would be good enough


If you really aren't too worried about photos from
your trip, this could be a possibility I suppose. But
a 1.3 Mp camera really doesn't take adequate pictures,
IMHO. And I doubt that the workings (e.g. lens, CCD)
of a phone-camera would be equal to the quality of
pics from a regular 1.3 Mp camera.

As I will want those pics from the top of Forester to
look as good as possible, I'm going with a 4 Mp Canon
S40 next year (fyi, this camera is now replaced by the
S45). 512 Meg compact flash memory cards are pretty
cheap these days (~$100), and you could store lots of
photos at a good resolution on a couple of those tiny
little cards.

If you're new to digital cameras and considering
buying one, make sure to read up on features /
resolution, etc. to make sure you get exactly what you
want. Check out the digital photography info at:

CNET camera reviews:
reviews.cnet.com/Digital_cameras/2001-6501_7-0.html?tag=cnetfd.glnav

Steve's Digicams - extensive info and reviews:
www.steves-digicams.com/

What I found especially helpful in looking for a
camera is reviewing the NEGATIVE comments on CNET -
see if what people DIDN'T like about a camera was
something you agreed with.

Here's to lots of great digital pics of the PCT next year!

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:09:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Gene Neagle 
Subject: [pct-l] Snow lessons and ax question
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I was wondering if anyone on this list who lives in the Portland/Gresham area in Oregon would be interested/willing to go with me to the snow sometime this winter and give me some self arrest lessons and general snow traveling tips? I have the Mountaineering, Freedom of the Hills book but would be a lot more comfortable with actual human teaching. There would be a Busters BBQ dinner in the deal. I am looking for a new ice ax as my old one is too short. I want something with a steel head, less than 100$, and under 1 lb. Any thoughts? Maybe another wannabe from the class of '04 would want to go and we could teach each other how to self arrest? Thanks. 

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:23:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "dude" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] gates in the Sierra
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I definitely saw cattle in the sierra all around gates. If I 
remember correctly, this was between Echo Lakes Resort and Sonora 
Pass (or the northern kennedy meadows resort on Hwy 108). 
Specifically, I am certain that there are cows just north of hwy 
104. 

I must admit that when I saw these cows I was on the Tahoe-Yosemite 
Trail, not the PCT. But it is definitely still in the Sierra Nevada 
Mountains.

As a matter of fact, the northern Kennedy Meadows Resort on Hwy 108 
raises their one cattle and serves steaks in their restaurant. That 
resort is basically right on the PCT.

That being said, I am not an expert on this topic, all I know is that 
I saw cows on the trail near gates. I am not talking like 1 mile 
away from a gate either. I am talking like 100 yards.

Hope this clears up my earlier post.

peace,
dude



> Whoa!!!! Not any grazing rights in the Parks or wilderness along
> the PCT as far as I know and that includes most of what I would
> call the PCT Sierra ; There are a few areas that do have grazing 
> (Monache Meadow), but none of these had fences as far as I know. 
> Depends where you are talking about and what you mean by the
> "Sierra" . Grazing in the lower Sierras foothills does not
> usually start until the end of June.
> 
> There are "drift fences" in a few places put there by packers,
> often by those that are licensed for that area or by contractors
> that are doing trail maintenance. They can be used by anybody
> with stock. These limit the problems with wandering stock.
> 
> You saw cattle and goats in the Sierras near a gate?????? WHERE
> ???
> 
> Goforth

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:36:06 -0500
From: "Christopher Power" 
Subject: [pct-l] Contacts
To: 

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I used contacts on the AT in 02 and had no problems at all. Several other
hikers I met had the same contacts. They are called Focus Night & Day.
They are designed to be left in your eyes for 30 days straight then thrown
away when you put a new set in (in town). Over the past year and a half
I've probably not had my contacts in for a total of an hour and my eyes are
perfectly healthy. You definitely shouldn't leave contacts in your eyes
much longer than they are rated for (e.g. don't try this with daily wear
lenses). Other manufacturers may make similar lenses to mine, just ask your
optometrist. Of course if you're a (medical and financial) candidate for
Lasik, that's even better.


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:53:34 EST
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Contacts and....hiking boots??
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I would say that 90% of thru hikers wore what I call fabric boots. I would 
dare to say that 3 out of4 thru hikers had foot problems ranging from SEVERE 
blisters to popped tendons to extremely sore soles to various and sundry arch 
problems. At least that's what I saw on my thru hike, mostly at the common way 
stations where clinics and foot first aid sellers did a brisk business. And 
since I was slower than most with my sub 20 mile per day pace, I saw a lot of thru 
hikers. (Hey I was 52 and it was my first long distance hike) 
Therefore I must conclude that for most people running shoes offer little 
protection on their own, for the feet of thru hikers. Of course some may say 
that's the way it is and there's nothing one can do about it or try another 
brand or inserts and on and on. Personally, I think its because most people's 
feet are accustomed to having a heavier sole. Protrusions of many kinds on the 
trail bruise parts of the feet not accustomed to having a minimal sole AND 20 
+ miles a day put on them. Repetition then leads to injury. Blisters are 
probably a result of poor fit or too many miles in a day with feet wet with sweat 
or water. Eventually the feet seem to toughen up enough so that you can at 
least hobble your way to Canada without pain killers. At least that is what I am 
told but sure as hell don't want to find out by switching from something that 
works so well for me now. And you all know what that is -- no need to iterate, 
now is there.
If you want to toughen up your feet for the PCT why not try a 90 mile run 
in moccasins like the Anasasi did in the Grand Canyon. Do it 2 or 3 times and 
you can then be the first person to do the PCT barefoot


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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:55:54 -0800
From: "Ken Powers" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking boots??
To: 
   , 
, "dude"

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I can vouch that age is not the problem.

Ken @ 59 just completed the Triple Crown in 3 1/2 years

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Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking boots??


> I don't know why you had problems or what type of trail runners you
> wore. I once mentioned to John Vonoff (author of "Fixing your Feet")
> that perhaps some people litterally are "tenderfeet", and he seemed
> to agree that people's feet are just build differently and some are
> more delicate than others. OTOH, Ray Jardine (author of many long
> distance hiker books) seems to think that anyone can toughen their
> feet enough to thru-hike in running shoes.
>
> Personally, I have done the section that you are talking about in
> running shoes twice. Both times I wore plain ole' running shoes (not
> trail runners) and both times I had no problems covering 20+ miles
> per day.
>
> I don't think age has much to do with it, as Jardine is in his 50's
> if I am not mistaken.
>
> Sorry I don't have any answers for you. All I can say I sthat I
> would never hike in boots again after getting used to running shoes
> for hiking (climbing is a totally different story). But "to each his
> own" and what works for me might not work for you. There is no right
> or wrong footwear.
>
> peace,
> dude
>
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: 
   
> > To: 

> > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiking boots??
> >
> >
> >> In a message dated 11/30/2003 11:16:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> >> tkimmel2@hotmail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>> > > HREF="mailto:pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net";>pct-l@mailman.backcoun
> > try.net> >>
> >>
> >> I've been backpacking for over 30 years, including an AT through
> >> trip, and until this summer have always worn boots. Beginning
> >> last spring I switched
> > to
> >> trail running shoes. I did several prep hikes with a full pack
> >> over
> > varying
> >> terrain and my feet felt fine. It was in 150 mile section hike
> >> form Ebbots
> > Pass to
> >> the Devil's Post Pile that I lost my faith in shoes. The north
> >> Yosemite section of the PCT is very rocky, and this type of
> >> surface hurt my feet.
> > The day
> >> before I entered Yosemite I did 18 miles, but between Dorothy
> >> Lake and
> > Glenn
> >> Ellen I quit early every day (10 miles) because my feet were
> >> sore. This
> > may be
> >> something that one can get used to or maybe its age (I'm 53) in
> >> either
> > case I
> >> plan I returning to boots.
> >>
> >> DDD
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:56:49 -0800
From: "Brian Bowlsby" 
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Snow lessons and ax question
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I live in Gresham and am also planning a '04 thru-hike. Freedom of the
hills is a good book for learning the basics of mountaineering,
including self arrest and snow tavel. But, like you said, nothing can
replace actual field experience.

I'd be willing to discuss this further with you offline and compare
notes about the PCT etc...

You can reach me at: go4ahike@verizon.net
Brian


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[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Gene Neagle
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To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Snow lessons and ax question


I was wondering if anyone on this list who lives in the Portland/Gresham
area in Oregon would be interested/willing to go with me to the snow
sometime this winter and give me some self arrest lessons and general
snow traveling tips? I have the Mountaineering, Freedom of the Hills
book but would be a lot more comfortable with actual human teaching.
There would be a Busters BBQ dinner in the deal. I am looking for a new
ice ax as my old one is too short. I want something with a steel head,
less than 100$, and under 1 lb. Any thoughts? Maybe another wannabe from
the class of '04 would want to go and we could teach each other how to
self arrest? Thanks. 

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:58:25 -0800
From: "Ken Powers" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] pct'04 planning
To: "Ron Smith" , 

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Actually the US border crossimg guard, Officer Journey, at Antelope Wells,
NM offered us confiscated fruits and nuts. He also gave us a tour of the
border area and gave us its history. That was a great start to the CDT.
Ken
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Subject: RE: [pct-l] pct'04 planning


> The Canadian are usually more friendly. A couple of times upon
> re-entering the U.S. on foot, we also stopped at the Canadian station
> and loaded up on confiscated fruit, which they were happy to give to us.
> -Ron
> >
> > On the CDT we had a bad time getting back into the US. We crossed the
> day
> > before they were closing Chief Mtn for the winter. We had already
> cleaned
> > up
> > as much as possible - laundry and showers. Caught a ride to the border
> and
> > bravely walked up to the US border crossing station. Two guards came
> out.
> > Their first words were "Passports, Please." I think we fooled them
> when we
> > promptly pulled out both our passports. They examined the passports
> and
> > our...
> > Ken
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:09:40 -0800
From: "Ben Holmes" 
Subject: [pct-l] Santa Monica Hiking
To: , 

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Are you looking for backpacking on just the PCT?

If not a few nice ones that I enjoyed. 

Echo Mtn/Mt Lowe.

Bear Creek

Mt Wilson Trail

Mt. San Jacinto (Boulder Basin to SJ Peak)

I would get the "Trail of the Angels" by John W. Robinson

ISBN: 0899972322 

It includes a GREAT map of the areas too.

If you are really looking for some Deep backing, try the silver moccasin
trail. 

If you hike the Silver Moccasin Trail, you'll be following the
footprints of thousands of Boy Scouts and other hikers.

The trail is 53 (set up for 5 days) miles long starting at either
Chantry Flats or Clear Creek, to the top of Mt. Baden-Powell and down to
Vincent Gap. Boy Scouts who hike this trail receive the coveted Silver
Moccasin Award.

Enjoy

Ben Holmes

AKA Crazy Old Scout

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