[pct-l] Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 1, Issue 29

[jomike47 at earthlink.net (JoAnn Michael)]

The local S.T.A.G.E. runs from Seiad Valley to Yreka but only two times per
week: Monday and Friday.  We all of a sudden have summer so the snow is
melting fast.

There is no public transportation from Medford to Seiad Valley (more of a
location than a town).

JoAnn


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>    1. Muir Trail Ranch package fees (JohnDRandall@aol.com)
>    2. Re: Question for big city dwellers (Dave Encisco)
>    3. CDT-L no longer? (Brett)
>    4. Re: Question for big city dwellers (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
>    5. Re: Helpful Snakebit(e) Tools (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
>    6. Introduction-Looking for advise (Barf Fartfigneugen)
>    7. Re: an apology (Christine Kudija)
>    8. Re: Question for big city dwellers (Lonetrail@aol.com)
>    9. Re: Introduction-Looking for advise (Marshall Karon)
>   10. medford to seiad valley (robert)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:55:17 EDT
> From: JohnDRandall@aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Muir Trail Ranch package fees
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> The post office for the Muir Trail Ranch is in the mountain community of
> Lakeshore, which is about 25 miles down a narrow, twisting secondary
county road
> from the road end at Florence Lake.   The packages are picked up by MTR
> employees, ranchhands mostly, stacked into a jeep and hauled back to the
lake, where
> they are either loaded into the lake's small ferry and transported to the
> opposite site, then loaded onto horses or mules...or driven cross country
on a
> poorly-defined jeep path up to the ranch, five miles on the eastern side
of the
> lake.   At the ranch the packages are offloaded, moved to a storage shed
and
> accounted for by the staff.
>
> My wife and I have stayed at the ranch twice, choosing to hike once and to
> ride a horse another time.   Whatever they charge, $18 or $25 or higher,
is a
> service just like FedEx or UPS.   They aren't saving up for a trip to Bali
with
> the money they charge for the service.  In fact, they lose money on it;
it's
> a service to the backcountry community.   Dude, pay the money or mail your
> packages to Vermillion or hike out to Bishop.  But, please, stop whining.
>
> John Randall
> Birmingham, AL
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:17:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dave Encisco <dencisco@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: Question for big city dwellers
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> > From: CMountainDave@aol.com
> > Subject: [pct-l] Question for big city dwellers
> >
> > How on earth can you stand it?
>
> It's a big world out there once you leave the village, isn't it?!
>
> Damn the Quaternary Holocene, it's become a real drag of a time!
>
> In the meantime, be thankful you still have the village to return
> to. My people have all been uprooted from their domiciles and now they
> travel the freeways in their UHAULS looking for the promised land.
>
> Dave (at this time living contently with a barking dog in the burbs
> just south of S.F.)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:02:17 -0400
> From: "Brett" <blisterfree@isp01.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] CDT-L no longer?
> To: "Pacific Crest Trail" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Thought someone in these here parts might be of help...
>
> I've just returned from the CDT in New Mexico, and can't seem to
resubscribe
> to the cdt-l mailing list. The subscription website (
> http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/cdt-l ) indicates that no
> such list even exists! What's going on here? Is there a new mailing list
> that has replaced the former?
>
> Geesh... I leave for a month, and look what happens.
>
> - blisterfree
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:11:09 EDT
> From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question for big city dwellers
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Come on Dave, tell us how you really feel...don't hold back :c)
>
> And by the bye...My nearest neighbor is a half mile away, I am edged by
> National Forest on three sides and I know exactly what you are saying.  I
am
> getting so I can't even go to the local town...which has a population of
1600.
> There's too damned many people and too damned many cars.
>
> No Way
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:12:51 EDT
> From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Helpful Snakebit(e) Tools
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> In a message dated 5/23/03 1:04:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> Lonetrail@aol.com writes:
>
> > It's usually the third person who gets bitten if walking in line on a
> > trail.
>
>
> Is this the old "third man on a match" from the Boer War? :c)
>
> No Way
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:37:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Barf Fartfigneugen <sandman_e_mail@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Introduction-Looking for advise
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Hello all,
> My name is Gabe. I am 21 and live in Eugene, OR. I'm a rather
inexperienced backpacker but the PCT has peaked my interest. I would like to
attempt it possibly in 2005 but probably 2006. For this summer though, I
think I may end up with about a week off of work and was wondering where a
good place to do a "3 day in 3 day out" trip would be. I want to try and
cover 75 miles one way to see exactly what it takes to do that. I was
thinking maybe a section of the PCT that runs through the Mt. Jefferson
wilderness area. Any suggestions or general advise is welcome. Thanks.
> -Gabe
>
>
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> sorry about the last two rants. I guess I like to turn depression into
anger.
> All the irritations of city life and the stress of watching my mother
wither
> away and dealing with all the financial responsibilities of having power
of
> attorney is very overwhelming. I realize this is not the proper forum for
such
> things, but I felt a compulsion to just vent. I didn't mean most of the
things
> I wrote. It's all just so very sad to see someone lose their independence.
My
> apologies for offending
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:29:01 -0700
> From: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] an apology
> To: <CMountainDave@aol.com>, <pct-l@backcountry.net>
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> Dave, no apology needed.  We're friends here (well, most of the time
;-)) -
> and you are dealing with a real life situation that if we all live long
> enough we'll get there.  Your mom has a good son.  I hope she knows.  And
> assisted living's not necessarily a nursing home - but it very much
depends
> on the facility.  All the best to you - and I hope I didn't offend with my
> quote from Hal - it's one of my personal favorites at such times, but I
> could have been more diplomatic.
>
> Christine "Ceanothus" Kudija
>
> "Never measure the height of a mountain, until you have reached the top.
> Then you will see how low it was."  Dag Hammarskjold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
>
> | sorry about the last two rants. I guess I like to turn depression into
> anger.
> | All the irritations of city life and the stress of watching my mother
> wither
> | away and dealing with all the financial responsibilities of having power
> of
> | attorney is very overwhelming. I realize this is not the proper forum
for
> such
> | things, but I felt a compulsion to just vent. I didn't mean most of the
> things
> | I wrote. It's all just so very sad to see someone lose their
independence.
> My
> | apologies for offending
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:35:13 EDT
> From: Lonetrail@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question for big city dwellers
> To: StoneDancer1@aol.com, CMountainDave@aol.com,
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <114.23d4388c.2c003461@aol.com>
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>
> Hey Guys & Christine
>
> Dave sorry to hear about your mother. I'm glad your able to share this
with
> us. We share on the trail all the times. You need not apologize that what
we
> are here for. You know the song "Lean on me." If I were you I would take
those
> Hugs and Kisses from Christine
>
> And No Way, what a place to live closes neighbor 15 miles away. Where in
the
> hell is this? About the third man it seem they always get the bullet.
>
>
> I lived in the country all my life. I just moved from a 200 acre dairy
farm
> five years ago to lousy, stinking Los Angeles. My wife wanted to move the
only
> way I agreed was that I could backpack 40 days out of the year. I'm up to
> about 60 now.
>
> We are driving up to northern CA and Southern Oregon next week to check
out
> towns.
> First Ojai, Ca.,Said, Etna, Ashland, Medford, I picked Etna and Said. HA
HA
> near the PC and small.
>
> Hey If everything goes right Ole Geezer Bill and my self may backpack from
> Said to Medford we expect to leave around the 10 of June.  How is the snow
from
> Said to Ashland? Is there public transportation from Medford back to Said?
>
> Lonetrail
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:44:10 -0700
> From: "Marshall Karon" <m.karon@attbi.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Introduction-Looking for advise
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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> Just head over to any of the Cascade passes and start hiking. I'd go to
> McKenzie Pass and go either South around the Sisters or North to Jefferson
> Park area. You also could start at Santiam Pass. You may need permits in
> advance because of the heavy use in the Jefferson Park and Obsidian areas.
> If you want to bag some peaks, try South and Middle Sister. You can make
> loops out of either hike.
>
> I found the East side of the Sisters not be as interesting as the West -
> more streams and more forests, fewer views - after Green Lakes going
North.
> But, it is a great hike, especially if you go up one of the Sisters. From
> Santiam going North, if you stay low you go through the lakes (not on the
> PCT). The ridge where Three Fingered Jack sits is outstanding.
>
> The scenery is outstanding and the hiking not too bad. Watch your timing,
> though. If you are early, you will have too much snow; if you hit it
wrong,
> you will have tons of mosquitoes. No way to tell right now. I would guess
> anytime past July 15th would be OK, maybe Aug 1 even better. But, I've
been
> out over the 4th of July and have had no problems.
>
> Marshall Karon
> Portland, OR
> m.karon@attbi.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barf Fartfigneugen" <sandman_e_mail@yahoo.com>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:37 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Introduction-Looking for advise
>
>
> > Hello all,
> > My name is Gabe. I am 21 and live in Eugene, OR. I'm a rather
> inexperienced backpacker but the PCT has peaked my interest. I would like
to
> attempt it possibly in 2005 but probably 2006. For this summer though, I
> think I may end up with about a week off of work and was wondering where a
> good place to do a "3 day in 3 day out" trip would be. I want to try and
> cover 75 miles one way to see exactly what it takes to do that. I was
> thinking maybe a section of the PCT that runs through the Mt. Jefferson
> wilderness area. Any suggestions or general advise is welcome. Thanks.
> > -Gabe
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:33:35 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "robert" <hikerrob@excite.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] medford to seiad valley
> To: PCT-L@backcountry.net
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>
>
>
>  <br>Said to Medford we expect to leave around the 10 of June.  How is the
snow from <br>Said to Ashland? Is there public transportation from Medford
back to Said
> according to the sno tell site there is around 3 ft of snow above 5000 ft
but it`s melting fast.
> siskyou county runs a bus from yreka to seiad valley,greyhound will get
you to yreka from medford.
>
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