[pct-l] uppity hikers are part of the problem - oh yes - not

[matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (matt maxon)]

Steve
I too am a motorcyclist using a motorcycle to dayhike the PCT leaving it at
the trailhead I am hiking to then hiking there riding back along the roads.

I never advocated "shooting", or imploying the other extremely violent
measures you mentioned against OHVer's .

As for repairing damage done by OHV mis-users most of it is done by
volunteers (of which I am one), I see what the forest service does and I can
tell you with personal knowledge it ain't much. The only time I have EVER
seen someone from the forest service do any trail work was over along the
PCT it valley segment near the Mojave river forks dam.

I am not anti multi-use I am anti mis-use, it is public land and I fully
respect the right for others to use it as the managers permit, but when the
managers don't do their job I get steamed. When I went to the Ranger Station
to notify them about the ATV in the gully I told the Ranger manning the desk
I was hiking the PCT from Agua Dulce to Bouquet Cyn Rd and noticed a lot of
very recent motorcycle traffic on the trail, he said "Oh that's too bad"
that really ticked me off! I told him "I didn't come here for sympathy, I
came to make a report about this activity and give you the location of an
abandoned ATV", he then scurried into the back and got the OHV officer for
the area., I then told him the precise location of it and again complained
about the OHV traffic on the trail, this is when he told me they where
trying to get the LA County Sheriff to keep OHVer's off the forest land,
it's the forest services responsibility not the LA County Sheriff's and
waiting for them to do something is a fools errand.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
To: "matt maxon" <matt@mattmaxon.com>; <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] uppity hikers are part of the problem - oh yes


> In defense of motorcyclists (of which I am one -
> I had a marvelous ride through the mojave national
> preserve viewing the bloom last weekend)
> I will say most of them probably don't realize
> they are on the PCT, or its significance as the
> national treasure it is.  Loud outbursts about them
> and declarations about how they should be decapitated
> with metal cables, shot, and yelling about the stupid
> forest service who lets them ride on the trail are
> extremely offensive to those of us who ride by the
> rules and, I speak for the stupid rangers, operating
> within the established constraints before them.
> Fixing a trail tread in a multi use area is not that big
> of a problem folks, at least not enough to get so
> worked up about.
>
> Steve "multi use forever" Courtway
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "matt maxon" <matt@mattmaxon.com>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:48 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] uppity hikers are part of the problem?
>
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> > Steve
> > So I take it you are with the Forest Service?
> >
> > This "uppity hiker" will raise the issue whenever I feel it's required.
> The forest service is required to manage the land in a fashion that is not
> detrimetal to the land and when OHV users are tearing up the trails and
> land, endangering hikers, equestians,  and wildlife. THAT IS detrimetal to
> the land and it's their responsibility to see to it that it stops!
> >
> > Riding an OHV on Public Lands is a privilage and not a right and a
> prerequsite for the issuance of this porivilage is adherance to
regulations,
> regulations that clearly phohibit all OHV and Bicycle use of the PCT
> >
> >
> > >Message: 4
> > >From: "Steve Courtway" <scourtway@bpa-arch.com>
> > >To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Aqua Dulce to Lake Hughes - Message: 14 OHV
> >tresspass
> > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:58:08 -0800>
> >
> > >The OHV officer said they where trying to get the sheriff to enforce
it,
> I
> > >thought to myself you are a worthless piece of (I*&(&.
> >
> > >uppity hikers are part of the problem, not the solution.  y'all just
stay
> > >cool and enjoy that hikin' !!!!
> >
> > Steve
> >
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