[pct-l] plastics and things

[jdawud at yahoo.com (Junaid Dawud)]

Hey all,

Just so you know, we're all going to die of cancer. 
well maybe not but.....

Consider the number of chemical compounds that exist
in our environment today.  Many more than we evolved
to deal with.  It is no wonder to me that so many get
cancer and other horrible diseases that don't seem to
be such an issue in less developed countries (or at
least you never hear about it).  We are exposed to
sooooo many things our bodies weren't 'designed' to
deal with. every single day.  

scary stuff


-----------Junaid #41PCT2006

--- Tortoise <Tortoise73@charter.net> wrote:

> As I recall the connection between aluminum and
> alzheimers disease has 
> been pretty well discounted. As to plastics, there
> seems to be little 
> risk if using approved plastics appropriately.
> 
> Do you have citations for your concerns?
> 
> ----------
> Tortoise
> 
> I switched to Mac OSX rather than fight Windows
> Using Mozilla Thunderbird 
> http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
> 
> Joseph Niemiec wrote:
> > hey I don;t know, but that's what they told us... 
> I carried my water in 
> > a platy bags... Just a heads up for you all... I
> know you have to use 
> > it, but hey, just don;t do the hot liquids thing
> in plastic and you are 
> > kosher...
> > 
> > And yes actually leather would be better I guess. 
> Titanium- I have no 
> > idea about it being bad for you... haven't heard
> anything
> > 
> > Merrrrryyyyy xmas - ho ho ho
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> From: Brad Evergreen <bradevergreendvm@yahoo.com>
> >> To: Joseph Niemiec <whitethunder10@hotmail.com>, 
> >> csxii@schizoaffective.org, 
> jeffmoorehead1@cox.net
> >> CC: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Don't cook foods in plastic!
> >> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:05:10 -0800 (PST)
> >>
> >> What is the recommended water carrying device
> then if plastics and 
> >> Aluminum are out?  Cow bladders or wood?  I have
> not seen a Titanium 
> >> water bottle but it is probably just a matter of
> time before it is 
> >> linked to something bad.  Brad
> >>
> >> Joseph Niemiec <whitethunder10@hotmail.com>
> wrote:  Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I just graduated form college and in an
> environmental class there I 
> >> learned
> >> about toxic materials and what not... I learned
> alot about plastic
> >> leaching..
> >>
> >> It is when water sits in plasitc too long, like
> in plastic soda 
> >> bottles and
> >> stuff [luckily for me (big milk drinker) the milk
> bottles aren't as bad,
> >> becuase they don;t have PVC in them] - anyway any
> bottles based on PVC
> >> leach nasty cancer causing materials into your
> food...
> >>
> >> This is the worst when you warm plastic up.
> Freezing it slows down the
> >> process. So when you put hot water in your
> Nalgene bottles and drink it -
> >> that is really bad for you because nalgene
> bottles are PVC heavy... JUst
> >> letting water sit in a nalgene bottle is bad
> enough... I perosnally don;t
> >> use nalgene bottles...
> >>
> >> THis goes for micro-waving things also. The
> microwaves and the heat cause
> >> plastic to leach PVC's into the food or liquid.
> The government knows 
> >> about
> >> this and it is why in most states you can;t have
> PVC pipes used as 
> >> incomming
> >> water supply - only outgoing.
> >>
> >> There are specific recycle #'s that are better
> and worse for this
> >> leaching... Milk jugs are teh best, I think that
> is a #2 - the worst 
> >> is all
> >> those soda bottles and bottles of water you get
> at the store. and All 
> >> those
> >> plastic bags and plastic zip lock containers -
> all that cheap plastic 
> >> crap.
> >>
> >> Another example is that new car smell - plastic
> does an off gassing 
> >> thing in
> >> the airt and that is waht you are smelling in a
> new car... but after it
> >> matures and stops off-gasing, it is safer to be
> in.
> >>
> >> So, I'm just giving all yall the warning becuase
> I know backpacking is 
> >> heavy
> >> into plastic... I to used platy bags, but I never
> warmed stuff up on
> >> purpose...
> >>
> >> And and about aluminum hiking pots, they leach
> alumnium into food- and
> >> aluminum has be connected to alzheimers
> (spelling) disease. So just 
> >> use the
> >> titanium - I haven;t heard about anything bad
> about that. I heard the US
> >> army won;t even allow its soliders to use
> aluminum pots - even though 
> >> they
> >> are cheaper and lighter than stainless steel.
> They still make them use 
> >> the
> >> stainless steel...
> >>
> >> I'm just keep'in it real for the brother-man and
> the sista-woman....
> >>
> >> Mouse
> >> www.trailjournals.com/joeniemiec
> >>
> >> ps- I also have some new for you about
> soy/brussel sprouts too - if 
> >> you eat
> >> a ton of it - back off! if you want to know more
> let me know...
> >>
> >> >From: csxii@schizoaffective.org
> >> >To: "Jeff Moorehead"
> >> >CC: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> >> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Titanium pot scorching
> >> >Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:23:17 -0800
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Forget simmering with your stove and save fuel
> by "simmering" in an
> >> >insulated container. Boil the water, add the
> food then insulate your
> >> >pot or pour the mix into an insulated container.
> I use a ziplock
> >> >container with a screw on lid. I insulated it
> with bubble wrap. I
> >> >can simmer my food while I hike with this set
> up.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:20:52 -0800, "Jeff
> Moorehead"
> >> > had this to say:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >I'm trying to develop a meal system based on
> rehydrating a dinner and
> >> >then
> >> > >simply heating up the mixture. The savings in
> time, fuel, and trail
> >> >effort
> >> > >should be well worth the effort of cooking,
> dehydrating, and vacuum
> >> > >packaging these meals now. I am trying each
> dish out by rehydrating 
> >> and
> >> > >heating it up on my alcohol stove, but I am
> having a hard time 
> >> avoiding
> >> >the
> >> > >typical scorching that comes from use of
> titanium pots. It scorches so
> >> > >easily I am thinking of using something like a
> scorching pad. Given 
> >> how
> >> >hard
> >> > >it is to make an alcohol stove truly simmer,
> has anyone managed to 
> >> solve
> >> >the
> >> > >scorching problem?
> >> > >
> >> >
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