[pct-l] Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 34

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I always do a whole roll I just pull out the cardboard core. usually that lasts me about a month give or take. But its one of those simple things I usually forget in my resupply so for me its better to be safe than sorry

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Please HELP me!!!! (Brian McLaughlin)
2. RE: directions to the trailhead at Walker Pass (JoPH)
3. Re: GPS, is it worth it? (dude)
4. Ride from Ontario airport to ADZPCTKO Thursday
(danandgailsc@aol.com)
5. Please Help Me! (David Tibor)
6. 150% snowfall and June JMT hiking (Geoffrey Selling)
7. Re: Fishin' the JMT (Eric Yakel)
8. Re: GPS, is it worth it? (Steve Courtway)
9. Re: 150% snowfall and June JMT hiking (Phil Baily)
10. RE: GPS, is it worth it? (AsABat)
11. Re: 150% snowfall and June JMT hiking (Steve Courtway)
12. RE: directions to the trailhead at Walker Pass (AsABat)
13. Scott Williamson in Backpacker (StoneDancer1@aol.com)
14. Weathercarrot's CD (Jim Keener)
15. Weathercarrot's CD (Deems)
16. Re: Please HELP me!!!! (Tom Kowalik)
17. Weathercarrot's DVD (The Weathercarrot)
18. RE: Weathercarrot's DVD (Tom Kowalik)
19. Re: Please HELP me!!!! (Brian McLaughlin)
20. Re: Please HELP me!!!! (Mark Wright)
21. RE: Please HELP me!!!! (AsABat)
22. Fw: ride (dsaufley@sprynet.com)
23. Re: Fw: ride (dsaufley@sprynet.com)
24. ride to K.O. (Reino Koopmans)
25. a ride to the K.O. (Reino Koopmans)
26. post a message (Reino Koopmans)
27. Re: Re: [pct-l] Churches on the PCT (Kraig Mottar)
28. Re: GPS, is it worth it? (Michael Lissner)
29. Re: GPS, is it worth it? (matt maxon)
30. emergency radio? (Alan Puckett)
31. Advisability of snow shoes in June (Geoffrey Selling)
32. First Hiker (Daniel Braunstein)
33. Re: First Hiker (GSL38@aol.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:03:54 -0700
From: Brian McLaughlin 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Please HELP me!!!!
To: "Sevenon7th@yahoo.com" ,
pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> 3. Ok, don't laugh.... please.... but I've been stressing about toilet
paper. I've been saving partial rolls.... to send in my resupply boxes....
is this ridiculous.... do you just carry a whole roll?

You can carry a whole roll if you like. It is fairly light, but rather
bulky.
Alternatively, REI sells mini-rolls of TP. But I do the following.

It is perfectly possible to make your own mini-rolls of TP, simply by
unrolling it off the big roll and rolling it up, without a core, as it comes
off. When I know how many days I am needing to supply, I allow
a certain number of squares per day, plus some extras. When I
unroll the TP from the big roll, I count off squares at the same time.
It doesn't take much time. Really, it doesn't.

Some (rather selfish) hikers have been known to supply their TP
from public toilets along the way. I don't recommend it. You could
buy TP rolls, make a few mini-rolls, and put the rest in your bounce
box - or put some in your resupply boxes.

It isn't worth stressing over. You could carry two whole rolls and
still not overburden yourself. It's lightweight.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:44:49 -0700
From: "JoPH" 
Subject: RE: [pct-l] directions to the trailhead at Walker Pass
To: "matt maxon" 
Cc: "Pct-L@Mailman.Backcountry.Net" 

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>From Highway 14 going North, then West on 178.

-----Original Message-----
From: matt maxon [mailto:matt@mattmaxon.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:30 PM
To: JoPH
Subject: Re: [pct-l] directions to the trailhead at Walker Pass

>From Where?
----- Original Message -----
From: "JoPH" 
To: "Pct-L@Mailman.Backcountry.Net" 

Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:23 PM
Subject: [pct-l] directions to the trailhead at Walker Pass


> Due to snow levels in section D we have decided to change our plans and
hike
> sections E and F beginning this Friday instead. We will report back on
water
> status when we return in 10 days. Having to change plans mid stream has
> caught us without instructions to the person who is picking us up at
Walker
> Pass on Highway 78 at the end of section F. Can anyone give me precise
> instructions that I can pass on? Remember, neither we nor the person who
is
> picking us up have been there before so we know nothing about landmarks or
> what to expect.
>
> Many thanks, Jo
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:12:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: "dude" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] GPS, is it worth it?
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> The short answer: For the PCT, no.

I agree. Its virtually impossible to get lost on most of the PCT. You 
can walk for days and never even need to look at the map.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:14:24 -0400
From: danandgailsc@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Ride from Ontario airport to ADZPCTKO Thursday
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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I'm looking for a ride from the Ontario, CA airport to Lake Morena on Thursday, April 21. I arrive in Ontario at 11:42 a.m. I already have arrangements that would get me to Lake Morena on Friday afternoon, but if I arrive on Thursday I could day hike from Campo to Lake Morena on Friday. I have tried the Ride Board already. I know it's late, and if I can't get a ride down on Thursday I'll stick with the original plan. Thanks.
Gail



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:38:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Tibor 
Subject: [pct-l] Please Help Me!
To: PCT-L 

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Bounce Box:
I had a pretty small one, and barely used it. I'm not
sure I would even use one next time. I had an electric
razor that I liked seeing (to shave my head and face)
every couple of weeks, and beyond that, I didn't
really need it. I had Purell and Aqua Mira in it, and
map packs that didn't go along with a resupply drop.
And some other random stuff. I carried my small
digital camera battery charger with me. I never could
understand what people would bounce to fill and entire
big bucket. I guess I was on the minimal tip.

Resupply:
As few as possible! All the reasons have already been
discussed previously. I had three drops in California,
and the usual ones in Oregon and Washington.

Toilet Paper:
Don't worry. Snag some as you go, wherever you can.
Napkins, TP, paper towels, whatever. Keep in a ziplock
bag with purell and a lighter. Don't set the outdoors
on fire in the process though (don't laugh, it
happened in 2004).



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:31:20 -0400
From: "Geoffrey Selling" 
Subject: [pct-l] 150% snowfall and June JMT hiking
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Dear PCT Website Host,
I don't seem to be able to acess the site through the postings address.....so i just hit reply sender when I get the general announements and hope my messages get to the site that way.

I'm planning to hike the JMT portion of the PCT in mid June but am worried about the amount of snow on the trail. My daughter, who hiked the whole PCT last year, says not to worry....that extra snow
won't make the trail that much more difficult. What do experienced thru hikers say about the 150% amount of snow this year and how that will affect the JMT? Any words of encouragmeent, suggestions. 
Is Kennedy Meadows a good place to start so Day 1 isn't up Whitney?




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:37:04 -0700
From: "Eric Yakel" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fishin' the JMT
To: "Steve Courtway" ,


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Try Rose lake which is about 3 miles off trail from Rose Marie meadow.
My son caught and released 52 trout in about 3 hours. That is pretty much
every cast and you have a fish. E.Y.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Courtway" 
To: 

Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fishin' the JMT


> best luck I've had was not only the outlet of thousand island lake, but
the
> marie lakes......not one fish under 12" in there it seemed....
>
> last trip I did well in paiute creek (a little off the trail on the
approach
> to pauiute pass) by fishing the ripples below falls.....
>
> I use mepps 1 gold spinners, titanium fry pan, seasoned salt and olive
oil.
> mmmm
>
> and I swear I saw a couple 20-24"ers come out of thousand island lake
once,
> though I got skunked there last trip.
>
> s.c.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Woods" 
> To: 

> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:23 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Fishin' the JMT
>
>
> > EEE HAAAHHH!
> > Thousand Islands Lake was great. Got there in early July, late, late
> > afternoon with gear maintenance to attend to, so the two I caught in
> > last light in about 15 minutes were still skinny from the winter, but
> > lots of fun. At the outflow under the dam.
> > I sometimes pack a short flyrod, glad I did for that trip. Lots of
> > little lakes between Devil's Postpile and Tuolumne, not to mention
> > Lyell Fork - fly fishing heaven. All I needed was a regular license,
> > with the normal limits. Farther south, Duck Lake looked good, although
> > I didn't stop. Johnston Lake is a few miles north of the Monument,
> > small and might have been active, but I passed through at the wrong
> > time of day for fishing, right time of day to become a moving mosquito
> > buffet. Shadow Lake is deep in a valley, fairly wooded and steep -
> > might be spin-casting territory unless you're really good with a flyrod
> > roll cast. Garnet Lake is also pretty, but Thousand Island has it all.
> > I could happily spend weeks looking for lunkers there.
> >
> > Rick
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:42:51 -0700
From: "Steve Courtway" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] GPS, is it worth it?
To: 

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ah so, maybe a GPS isn't helpful, but even on day one when you get spilled
onto a dirt road right before morena butte with no trailhead signs in sight,
it helps to have those additional written clues to take the head scratching
out of the equation........

we all know the PCT is not one long continous trail......many trail
intersections, dirt road sections, etc......

s.c.


> I agree. Its virtually impossible to get lost on most of the PCT. You
> can walk for days and never even need to look at the map.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:46:43 -0700
From: "Phil Baily" 

Subject: Re: [pct-l] 150% snowfall and June JMT hiking
To: 
, "Geoffrey Selling"

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An alternate starting point might be Cottonwood Pass --- between Kennedy
Meadows and Whitney. You can drive up and spend the night before starting at
Horseshoe Meadows (around 10,000 feet) to better acclimate to the altitude
before starting. To get there you head out of Lone Pine toward Whitney
Portal but turn left on Horseshoe Meadows Road just before the road starts
up. Of course, the JMT starts on top of Whitney, but you can get there from
Crabtree Meadows and that is a gentler, easier hike than from Whitney
Portal.


Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoffrey Selling" 
To: 

Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 PM
Subject: [pct-l] 150% snowfall and June JMT hiking


> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net writes:
> >pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> Dear PCT Website Host,
> I don't seem to be able to acess the site through the postings
address.....so i just hit reply sender when I get the general announements
and hope my messages get to the site that way.
>
> I'm planning to hike the JMT portion of the PCT in mid June but am worried
about the amount of snow on the trail. My daughter, who hiked the whole PCT
last year, says not to worry....that extra snow
> won't make the trail that much more difficult. What do experienced thru
hikers say about the 150% amount of snow this year and how that will affect
the JMT? Any words of encouragmeent, suggestions.
> Is Kennedy Meadows a good place to start so Day 1 isn't up Whitney?
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:15:37 -0700
From: "AsABat" 
Subject: RE: [pct-l] GPS, is it worth it?
To: "'Erica Martin'" 
,


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Normally I would say no, you do not need a GPS. I very rarely use one
anywhere. However, I hiked the PCT on the north side of Big Bear Lake last
month and having a GPS took a lot of uncertainty out of navigation. Using
the PCT trace and GPS waypoints Matt Maxon posted to Topo!'s MapXchange
(www.topo.com), and adding a few more for switchbacks, I just moved from one
point to another. Yes, you can normally navigate by terrain, but in heavy
trees there's not much terrain to see. It was very nice to just go to each
point in order, especially with 4 feet of snow on the ground. But, if you
leave with the herd, you should have footprints to follow. Note, too, that a
few hikers have had trouble navigating in the San Jacinto area last week
because of heavy snow. 

AsABat





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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:18:49 -0700
From: "Steve Courtway" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 150% snowfall and June JMT hiking
To: 
, "Geoffrey Selling"

Message-ID: <061b01c5453e$8833c430$8000a8c0@STATION128>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Mid June this year is going to equal tons of snow up high and tons of runoff
which equals alot of stream crossings and snow route finding........not too
much of a problem mid morning when the consolidated snow is walkable, but
crossing passes in the afternoon can mean 2 hour miles and lots and lots of
postholing.

I hiked over Muir pass last year on June 20 and found somewhat difficult
conditions which caused me to abort my attempt at crossing Mather and the
golden staircase, and there's much more snow this year. I bailed over
Bishop pass and talked with a group of four able hikers who were turned back
by solid snow on Mather on their sobo attempt......nobo maybe a different
story as you descend on the deepest snow instead of climbing it. I tried to
stick to the trail route on my decent from Muir and had to cross one or two
pretty hair raising near vert. snow banks......

s.c.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoffrey Selling" 
To: 

Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 PM
Subject: [pct-l] 150% snowfall and June JMT hiking


> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net writes:
> >pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> Dear PCT Website Host,
> I don't seem to be able to acess the site through the postings
address.....so i just hit reply sender when I get the general announements
and hope my messages get to the site that way.
>
> I'm planning to hike the JMT portion of the PCT in mid June but am worried
about the amount of snow on the trail. My daughter, who hiked the whole PCT
last year, says not to worry....that extra snow
> won't make the trail that much more difficult. What do experienced thru
hikers say about the 150% amount of snow this year and how that will affect
the JMT? Any words of encouragmeent, suggestions.
> Is Kennedy Meadows a good place to start so Day 1 isn't up Whitney?
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:20:46 -0700
From: "AsABat" 
Subject: RE: [pct-l] directions to the trailhead at Walker Pass
To: "'JoPH'" 
Cc: "'Pct-L@Mailman.Backcountry.Net'" 

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It's about 8.5 miles from Hwy 14 west to Walker Pass. The PCT crosses Hwy
178 right at the pass and parking along the highway. If they are going to
have to wait awhile, or camp while you're hiking, there's a free campground
just a mile west, down a couple tight curves from the pass. The PCT goes
within a few hundred yards of the campground.

AsABat

-----Original Message-----
>From Highway 14 going North, then West on 178.





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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:09:06 EDT
From: StoneDancer1@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Scott Williamson in Backpacker
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Made it out of my cave today and survived a day of civilization, where I 
found a copy of Backpacker. I always thought that "first person" was my most 
unfavorite kind of writing... until today. ( This, even though I have been 
doing some writing, and find it difficult to write a personal narrative without 
using "I"). The Scott Williamson story is a marvelous tale, written in second 
person "you," that seemed to bother a lot of people.... me included.

I think the writer's attempt to make the reader more closely identify with 
Scott, by the tragic overuse of "you," is unfortunate. Further, this is a 

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