[BULK] - RE: [pct-l] California Section L-Donner to Sierra City

[steve_pct at hotmail.com (Steve Setzer)]

That's because it was cold and snowing.  I stay dry in the snow too.  And 
you were going downhill.

Anyway, I don't want to start a debate on how dry various members of the 
list can stay.  There's nothing special about Marmot Precip rainwear. When 
its raining for days straight, you get wet. That's all there is too it.

By the way, I think the original post was about Frogg Toggs.  Cicely B wore 
Frogg Toggs for rainwear (jacket and pants) on her thru hike this year. She 
said they performed well and she stayed dry enough so Frogg Toggs should 
work for most people. She hiked at a slower pace so sweat may not be as big 
of a problem for her.

Scrote

>From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
>To: "Steve Setzer" <steve_pct@hotmail.com>,<joph@piedmontbsa.org>
>CC: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Subject: RE: [BULK] - RE: [pct-l] California Section L-Donner to Sierra 
>City
>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:46:40 -0700
>
>Ummmm....
>I disagree.
>I spend most the day, yesterday, climbing down from mount San Gorgonio
>in (at first) a snowstorm, then (at about 8k) a steady rain.
>Except for my own sweat, I stayed dry.
>(I'll get wet from sweat on sunny days too, but I don't think this is
>what we're talking about)
>
>Wide brim hat does wonders to keep rain off my shoulders.
>Marmot PreCip+ waterproof/breathable jacket is the key.
>I have rain pants, but I didn't wear them. My pants got wet, but my
>polypropylene base layers kept the moisture on the outside.
>In heavy rain, I'll don the rain pants and gaiters.
>I have fleece gloves that keep my hands warm, even when wet.
>Gor-Tex lined boots kept my feet dry while slogging through 6"-10" of
>snow, then through mush and puddles below 8k.
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
>[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Steve Setzer
>Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:04 PM
>To: joph@piedmontbsa.org
>Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: [BULK] - RE: [pct-l] California Section L-Donner to Sierra City
>
>Here's the thing about rain gear.  No matter how good it is, you'll be
>soaked by the end of a rainy day. I had a really nice Mont-Bell rain
>jacket
>with sealed zippers that was supposedly totally waterproof and
>breathable.
>But I still got wet.  Water would get in through my pit zips if I kept
>them
>open. So I needed to keep them closed which made me sweat more. Since I
>used
>trekking poles, my arms weren't hanging straigt at my sides so rain got
>in
>under the cuffs at the wrist. Plus I would sweat, or just perspire water
>
>vapor, and that would cause condensation on the inside of the jacket.
>Its
>very difficult, in heavy rain, to tell if you're getting wet from the
>outside or the inside. Unless its very cold or you have no uphills,
>you'll
>most likely get condensation on the inside of your rain gear. Also, once
>the
>outside surface of your rain gear "wets out" you basically have a thin
>coat
>of water on the outside of your rain gear and breathability is zero
>(because
>you can't breathe through water).
>
>So here's what most of us did this year (and we had plenty of rain for
>practice):  wear a rain skirt (or a kilt for the guys) made out of a
>plastic
>garbage bag. That way your shorts stay dry but your legs can still
>breathe
>(rain pants are WAY too hot for most people).  Then wear your rain
>jacket
>but don't be too surprised if your arms get wet or if you get wet from
>condensation. Then hike without stopping until your 25 miles are done so
>
>that you don't get hypothermia.  Then get in your warm dry clothes and
>get
>in your sleeping bag.  Repeat until you get to the border.
>
>Scrote
>
>I miss the trail!!!!
>
> >From: "JoPH" <joph@piedmontbsa.org>
> >To: "Pct-L@Mailman.Backcountry.Net" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> >Subject: [pct-l] California Section L-Donner to Sierra City
> >Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:39:54 -0700
> >
>
> >Just one question though-- part of this trip was to give our rain gear,
> >Frogg Toggs, a go to see how they would do. Now, all I've read on this
>list
> >serve is good stuff about Frogg Toggs, and I have to tell you, if we
> >weren't
> >planning to come in Sunday, we would have been in trouble. The Frogg
>Toggs
> >failed miserably. We were both soaked from the waste down and in the
>arms.
> >Has anyone else had this experience or any advice to offer on products
>that
> >do work! We used the Frogg Toggs in So. Cal for a two week section trip
>in
> >the spring and they seemed to be o.k. for the brief periods of rain we
>had,
> >but not for all-day rain-- it just seeped through.
> >
>
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