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- Subject: [pct-l] Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 4, Issue 27
- From: timd88 at msn.com (Timothy Dickerson)
- Date: Thu Aug 28 11:55:44 2003
- References: <20030827170014.6C969B6266@edina.hack.net>
Yo everybody,
Does anyone have a list to which they base their packing to? If so I would really appreciate them sending it to me or giving me just a few lil tidbits from the list. Thanx a heap.
Zippy
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Today's Topics:
1. Anyone out there... (Scott Herriott)
2. Los Angeles Area Hiking (for Alain Lemay) (dsaufley@sprynet.com)
3. more cat stove questions ... (Steve Setzer)
4. Los Angeles neighborhood (Dennis B)
5. Re: Sleeping Pads and Tent poles (Scott Parks)
6. Re: New CA guidebooks vs old? (christin pruett)
7. Blue Lake Expedition (Hiker97@aol.com)
8. Cloudburst Tent (Hiker97@aol.com)
9. Ray Jardine Rules?? (Montedodge@aol.com)
10. RE: New CA guidebooks vs old? (Ron Moak)
11. RE: Sleeping Pads and Tent poles (Ron Moak)
12. RE: Cloudburst Tent (Jerry Goller)
13. RE: Sleeping Pads and Tent poles (dude)
14. Re: Ray Jardine Rules?? (dude)
15. RE: Cloudburst Tent (Ron Moak)
16. Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26 (McElligott John)
17. Re: Los Angeles neigborhood (GOALIEJHACHEY@aol.com)
18. Re: Cloudburst Tent (John Hildebrand)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Herriott <yetifan@yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Anyone out there...
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...have an email address for Puck and Belcher?
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:13:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: dsaufley@sprynet.com
Subject: [pct-l] Los Angeles Area Hiking (for Alain Lemay)
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Alain,
There are shuttle services that can bring you from Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) to the Agua Dulce area to hike sections C & D. Generally, Jeff or I can help you get to the trail depending on where you want to stop and start, and when. Either call me at 661.268.1235, or email dsaufley@sprynet.com for more information.
-=Donna Saufley=-
Agua Dulce Hiker Heaven
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:18:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: Steve Setzer <Steven.Setzer@Colorado.EDU>
Subject: [pct-l] more cat stove questions ...
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Cc: royrobin@aol.com
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What's the purpose of the wicking/fiberglass in the cat stove burner. The
fiberglass does not soak up all the alcohol. So some of the flame still
comes directly from the surface of the alcohol at the bottom of the can.
Does it just slow down the burning? I'm wondering about the benefits of
making it thicker/thinner. Or is it necessary at all?
steve
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:29:24 -0700
From: "Dennis B" <kublakhanpics@mindspring.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Los Angeles neighborhood
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TO PCT LA HIKER
(btw, which link do I click on to respond (in public) to a particular question? the "TO' link or the "Message-ID" link? sorry)
Alain: Keep my email handy. I live in LA (actually Griffith Park - 5 miles from downtown LA) and if I'm not still on the JMT I'd be happy to help you out with a ride anywhere w/in 1 1/2 hours...maybe more if i feel like doing some walking as well. you might need to link a few rides to get to your destination.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:10:16 -0700
From: "Scott Parks" <stillroaming@lycos.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Pads and Tent poles
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Cc: Montedodge@aol.com
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Monte,
The 'Pro's' you speak of regarding sleeping pads is
right on the money.
For the light-weight/ultra-light hiker the weight
simply prohibits it as an option.
As Ray Jardine suggests, you are investing some time in
finding a cozy, soft sleeping spot, right?
How many thru-hikers out there have slept on very cold ground with their 3/4 length, 11oz Z-Rest? I have. Yes,
you need to put something under your feet. Did I get
cold? Nope. Would a full length 18oz ridgerest be more
comfortable? Definitely, ESPECIALLY if you're carrying
'extra insulation'.
Sure, it's only 7oz extra, why not? As we all know, it
adds up.
Arrows for tent poles? Ooops, that's right you're
carrying a tent too. Hey, it's only 12oz extra. Etc, ;)
As many people know first hand, you can be incredibly comfortable, vertically and horizontally, with a
lighter pad.
Someone said, "Count the ounces and the pounds will
fall off."
It's good advice.
Scott Parks
>>
While we all look for a magic bullet to pack to sleep on, don't sell your
self short on something that isn't warm enough or comfortable . I like the
winter weight full length Ridgerest which is purple and green. In the long run ,
you will sleep warmer and better with a full length and the winter weight is
thicker for more comfort. ( Great for just throwing out on a large rock !) Thin
pads are fun to pack ,but nothing to write home about in use!!. Early
snowstorms in the Cascades on thru-hikers who don't have much " Insultion" left in
their body's are no fun. I can walk around in a T-shirt in 55 degree weather
while my thru-hiker friends are digging out shirts and vest.
I would even promote the heaver Themarest pads, BUT I HAVE NEVER FOUND ONE
I TRUST. ( Ever hike with someone and their Theramest as they look for 5
minutes to find a place to lay out their pad in the desert on a lunch break?) They
have an uncanly habit of going flat a the wrong time and are not bombproof .
Never trust your Thermarest. ( Many ultra-lights will scoff at someone using
a full length pad , but there are two sides to a coin and pro's and con's .
Ultra-thin 3/4 pads are not a WIN WIN situation)
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:51:36 +0000
From: "christin pruett" <christinpruett@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] New CA guidebooks vs old?
To: wandering_bob@msn.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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So is that yes or no?
>From: wandering_bob@msn.com
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>,"christin pruett"
><christinpruett@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] New CA guidebooks vs old?
>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:11:30 -0700
>
>Do you NEED them? No!
>Do you NEED any guidebook? No!
>Is it good insurance to have gathered all available current information
>about an area before going there? Yes!
>
>IMHO, wise is he/she who takes advantage of the experiences of others; the
>more current the better. You avoid making their mistakes that
>way......unless you like the challenge of slowly realizing that the spring
>you passed up this morning was the only water around for 20 miles, except
>for the water cache 100 yards off-trail just ahead that you know nothing
>about.
>
>Wandering Bob
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> Subject: [pct-l] New CA guidebooks vs old?
>
>
> Do I need to buy the two new CA guidebooks if I have the previous one
>volume
> CA guide? Has the trail been relocated a lot? New water sources in S.
>CA
> not mentioned in previous guide? Etc...
>
> I plan on doing a hike next year so this might be 'jumpining the gun' a
>bit
> but the new guides are only $14 each on amazon right now.
>
> Thanks, Christy
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:25:16 -0400
From: Hiker97@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Blue Lake Expedition
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Well, I am off to Blue Lake out of Bishop, CA and Lake Sabrina. I hear Blue Lake is a great place to camp. May be a little crowded, but very nice and only a 6 mile roundtrip. I want to go around the full moon time in September. Anyone have info on this area? This is strickly a goof off trip with much reading and short hikes. Thanks, Switchback
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:34:00 -0400
From: Hiker97@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Cloudburst Tent
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Just to let you know that the new Henry Shires Tarptent (Cloudburst, 2-person, 2.4 pounds with floor, $230.00) seems to work great. I have not tested it under rainy conditions. I use it as a solo tent and have LOTS of room inside. Very nice. I use a tyvek ground sheet in addition to the tent floor. Anyway, I hope I get a real big storm in the Sierras to test it out. Later, Switchback
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:41:44 EDT
From: Montedodge@aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Ray Jardine Rules??
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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While Ray brought many interesting ideas into the thru-hiking circle, few of
today's hikers follow his teachings to the letter. Most thru-hikers are not
the " Ounce Nazis" like Ray was with an 8 pound pack. His stunt hikes were more
to show hikers how far you could push the envelope. Today's thru-hikers
average more round a 15 lbs. base weight instead of 8lbs. Even Flyin Brain packed
more than 8 lbs. on his record hike.
I don't think packing a few extra ounces of sleeping pad will ruin
anyones hike. Tents today are also as light as many tarps. Check out one of Ron
Moak's Sixmoon desgn tents or Henry Shires tarp tents which are under 2 pounds.
Yes, Ounce Nazis are still out there pushing the limits. Maybe someone
will hike the PCT with no sleeping pad or tent or tarp some day and a 6 pound
pack!!! ( We can only hope)
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:59:30 -0700
From: "Ron Moak" <rmoak@sixmoondesigns.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] New CA guidebooks vs old?
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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>> So is that yes or no? <<
Yes, buy the guidebook. In this hiker's opinion, they're needed. This is
especially true in areas where the trail intersects with civilization. In
general staying on the PCT is fairly easy. When it approaches roads, signage
leaves much to be desired. So it's quite useful.
Some people depend heavily on the text; personally I thought it was way too
verbose and the new versions are even worse. For the most part I stuck with
the maps and supplemented them with the data book. Trying to follow the
trail in the text proved to be a real pain.
-- Fallingwater
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:09:12 -0700
From: "Ron Moak" <rmoak@sixmoondesigns.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Sleeping Pads and Tent poles
To: <stillroaming@lycos.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Cc: Montedodge@aol.com
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>> The 'Pro's' you speak of regarding sleeping pads is right on the money.
For the light-weight/ultra-light hiker the weight simply prohibits it as an
option. <<
When it comes to lightweight or ultralight gear selection, nothing is really
off the table. The point is to get to an easily manageable comfortable
weight. The path chosen to get there will vary widely from person to person.
A full-length pad may fit perfectly fine in a lightweight kit. Just because
I may not include it or Ray doesn't endorse it, doesn't preclude it as a
viable option. Remember ultralight is less a defined set of specific gear
and more an attitude of selecting gear wisely.
-- Fallingwater
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:24:08 -0600
From: "Jerry Goller" <jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Cloudburst Tent
To: <Hiker97@aol.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <001901c36c20$c5606cd0$0201a8c0@toshibauser>
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We are going to be testing these on BGT directly.
Jerry
http://www.BackpackGearTest.org : the most comprehensive interactive
gear reviews and tests on the planet.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:34 PM
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Cloudburst Tent
Just to let you know that the new Henry Shires Tarptent (Cloudburst,
2-person, 2.4 pounds with floor, $230.00) seems to work great. I have
not tested it under rainy conditions. I use it as a solo tent and have
LOTS of room inside. Very nice. I use a tyvek ground sheet in addition
to the tent floor. Anyway, I hope I get a real big storm in the Sierras
to test it out. Later, Switchback
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:18:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Sleeping Pads and Tent poles
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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I agree with Ron.
I would also add that when determining how "ultralight" you are
willing to go, the main question that you have to ask yourself is "Do
I want to be more comfortable when walking, or while sleeping?" It
really comes down to these two issues in the balance. Its hard to
agrue against lighter loads equating to higher comfort during the
hike. At the same time, there is a good case for lighter, thinner,
flimsier gear equating to lower comfort during sleep.
For me, I realize that I am never gonna be able to be as comfortable
as I want to be sleeping on the ground. It doesn't matter what kind
of pad or bag, or other gadget I carry; its still not gonna compare
to my queen-size Stearns & Foster pillow-top 20-year mattress and box
spring coupled with my down comforter. Therefore, if I am gonna be
uncomfortable sleeping on a 2lb extra thick full-length thermareast,
I might as well be uncomfortable sleeping on a 9 oz 3/4 length ridge-
rest and be more comfortable while I walk. Thats just my opinion.
peace,
dude
>>> The 'Pro's' you speak of regarding sleeping pads is right on the
>>> money.
>
> For the light-weight/ultra-light hiker the weight simply prohibits
> it as an option. <<
>
> When it comes to lightweight or ultralight gear selection, nothing
> is really off the table. The point is to get to an easily
> manageable comfortable weight. The path chosen to get there will
> vary widely from person to person.
>
> A full-length pad may fit perfectly fine in a lightweight kit.
> Just because I may not include it or Ray doesn't endorse it,
> doesn't preclude it as a viable option. Remember ultralight is
> less a defined set of specific gear and more an attitude of
> selecting gear wisely.
>
> -- Fallingwater
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:25:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ray Jardine Rules??
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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> Yes, Ounce Nazis are still out there pushing the limits. Maybe
> someone will hike the PCT with no sleeping pad or tent or tarp
> some day and a 6 pound pack!!! ( We can only hope)
Actually, many people have already attained 6.x lbs . I did last
summer, and I carried a pad, down blanket, and a bivy. Dropping all
three of those, I could have gotten way under 4 lbs. ...but there is
no way I could do that. Maybe there are some "once nazi's" that can
live without sleeping gear, but not me. I did hear that the
infamous "wolf" only carries a bivy bag (no pad, not sleeping bag).
Technology improves every season. For example, the Patagonia
DragonFly rain jacket is only 3 oz!! That has to be half as light as
any other rain jacket before it.
peace!
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:34:44 -0700
From: "Ron Moak" <rmoak@sixmoondesigns.com>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Cloudburst Tent
To: "'Jerry Goller'" <jerrygoller@backpackgeartest.org>,
<Hiker97@aol.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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>> We are going to be testing these on BGT directly.
Jerry <<
Along with a true ultralight tent Six Moon Deigns - Europa II, you should
add.
www.sixmoondesigns.com
-- Fallingwater
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:53:22 +0900
From: McElligott John <jm@gol.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Re: pct-l Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Although I am in Japan, I live in the neck of the woods ( PCT Section
D) . I recommend public transportation from Los Angeles International
Airport (LAX) to LaCanda/Flintridge. Get off in front of Sports Chalet
(excellent mountaineering supply store) which is opposite Route 2 which
goes over the San Gabriel Mountains and will eventually take you after
an hour + to the PCT trailhead. Use a large sign to help you hitch a
ride up Rt. 2. Contact me off line for more specific bus schedules.
Good luck!
Tokio John
On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:00 AM, pct-l-
request@mailman.backcountry.net wrote:
> Los Angeles neigborhood
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:18:03 EDT
From: GOALIEJHACHEY@aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Los Angeles neigborhood
To: carl@pct77.org, alemay@clefdesol.com,
pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Message-ID: <1e7.efbc659.2c7d8afb@aol.com>
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Alain.
I would be glad to help out if needed. I live in Ontario Calif. (near
airport) and have done the trail in Southern California.
Trail ratz,
John (Montreal, PQ.)
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:42:55 -0400
From: "John Hildebrand" <John.Hildebrand@trw.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cloudburst Tent
To: <Hiker97@aol.com>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
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Which do you think is of better quality and design, the Cloudburst or the GoLite Den2?
>>> <Hiker97@aol.com> 08/26/03 05:34PM >>>
Just to let you know that the new Henry Shires Tarptent (Cloudburst, 2-person, 2.4 pounds with floor, $230.00) seems to work great. I have not tested it under rainy conditions. I use it as a solo tent and have LOTS of room inside. Very nice. I use a tyvek ground sheet in addition to the tent floor. Anyway, I hope I get a real big storm in the Sierras to test it out. Later, Switchback
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