Re: [pct-l] ZIP stoves

["Jan Sumner" <skywalker920@hotmail.com>]

List Administrator Brick Robbins quoted a regulation:
>====
>Stove fire means a campfire built inside an enclosed stove or gill,
>a portable brazier, or a pressurized liquid or gas stove, including
>a space heating device
>====

Friends:  This regulation says that all campfires are stoves.  It 
obviously does not follow that all stoves are campfires.  Hence, there 
*is* a distinction.

A Zip is thus both.  My trusty MSR is just a stove, not a campfire.

This regulation says that there are 3 things that are "stove fires":
1.  A campfire built inside an enclosed stove or grill.
2.  A portable brazier.
3.  A pressurized liquid or gas stove, including a space heating 
    device.

The quoted regulation could certainly have benefitted from better 
punctuation, but since it is not possible to build a campfire inside 
a "pressurized liquid or gas stove", Brick's interpretation makes 
no sense.  (To clarify, Brick's interpretation that "Stove fire means a 
campfire built inside....a pressurized liquid or gas stove" makes no 
sense.  Clearly, after the words "Stove fire means", comes the list of 3 
things [including campfires] which are stove fires.  Again, this just 
means all campfires are stoves, not that all stoves are campfires.)

Excuse me while I go hiking,
Jan

>Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:11:31 -0700
>To: pct-l@backcountry.net
>From: Brick Robbins <brick@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] ZIP stoves
>Cc: membership@pcta.org
>
>Ranger Jensen said:
>
>>Zip <snip>"Stoves" fall into the category of CAMPFIRES, 
>>not Backpacker STOVES
>
>I am afraid that she is dead wrong, in accordance with Federal Law.
>
>The Department of Agriculture USFS rules as defined in 
>36 CFR 261.2 (Code of Federal Regulations) 
>see (http://www.access.gpo.gov:80/nara/cfr/cfr-retrieve.html )
>says:
>
>====
>Stove fire means a campfire built inside an enclosed stove or gill, a
>portable brazier, or a pressurized liquid or gas stove, including a 
space
>heating device
>====
>
>By this USDA definition, the USFS can make no distiction between an
>MSR and a Zip stove.
>
>The rules in National Parks (department of interior) may be different.
>
>I suppose the head wilderness ranger of Inyo National Forest can
>choose to disregard Federal Law in making her rules about Zip
>stoves, since recent actions in DC have shown that federal officials
>don't have to follow the law.......
>
>-Brick
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