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- Subject: [pct-l] Down Sleeping Bags
- From: scottie_wujcik@hp.com (WUJCIK,SCOTTIE (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
- Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:33:52 -0700
Stacey,
The August 2002 issue of Backpacker Magazine has a good article on down
sleeping bags. That may be a good place to get some information. The bags
mentioned in the test are made in women's sizes also. Or go on line and
check out (www.marmot.com) (www.mountainhardwear.com) or (www.rei.com) Just
some suggestions. Happy hiking.
Scottie
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again.
(Bighummel@aol.com)
2. any word of Edmond/Tangent? (Edmond Meinfelder)
3. News from Edmond/Tangent (Edmond Meinfelder)
4. RE: 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again. (Carl
Siechert)
5. Re: 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again. (John
Musielewicz)
6. Re: The Summit (John Musielewicz)
7. CA sections PQ, OR section A, B. (Frank Kroger)
8. Re: 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again. (Randy
Forsland)
9. Re: CA sections PQ, OR section A, B. correction (Frank Kroger)
10. RE: 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again. (Reynolds,
WT)
11. Fw:the Garden of Eden (mardav)
12. Re: 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again.
(Bighummel@aol.com)
13. OR section A & B (Steve Stenkamp)
14. Cabin on (Frank Kroger)
15. Re: PCT-L dpacks: comfort vs weight: Why packs work, Part 2
(earlb@copper.net)
16. Re: 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again. (Carl
Siechert)
17. RE: 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again. (Reynolds,
WT)
18. hacking (admin) (Ryan K. Brooks)
19. Down Sleeping Bags (Stacey Turner)
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Message: 1
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:31:53 EDT
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again.
To: reynolds@ilan.com, carl@pct77.org, pct-l@backcountry.net
Reynold writes:
> You were carrying the load too LOW. On a non-yoke shoulder system the
> shoulder straps should go up from the shoulders at a 45 degree angle to
the
> frame. Generally, this means the location where the straps join the frame
> should be 2-3 inches above the top of the shoulder.
Yea, right. Just try to carry that large of a pack, filled to the gills,
weighing it at 75+ lbs with the shoulder straps going back at a 45 degree
angle! You would have to have the damn waste belt pulled into what the old
Aussie convicts used to call a "gut pinch". The waste belt would be so
tight
that it would cut off circulation to your hips and legs and you'd fall down
like a pigmy overloaded with an elephant just twenty yards down the trail.
With that much weight you HAVE to balance the load of the weight between the
shoulders and waste or else one or the other wears out. It typically is
shifted back and forth to lessen the deadening of nerves in either place.
What the hell is a "non-yoke shoulder system"? I'll take mine sunny side up
with the yoke please, but throw away the white!
Oh, any any salty '77er worth his damn wouldn't turn states evidence on a
comrad for all of the polarguard in China!
Greg
"Salvitur Ambulando"
(walking solves all things)
St. Augustine
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:07:23 -0700
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
From: Edmond Meinfelder <edmond@meinfelder.com>
Subject: [pct-l] any word of Edmond/Tangent?
Hi,
This is actually Dinah, Edmond/Tangent's resupply person. I'm wondering if
anyone has news of him. His last known position was leaving Lake Charlotte
on the 15th. I believe he may have hooked up with North, Robar, CoSue and
Refried. None of them had signed in at Tuolumne Meadows when I checked the
register there on Saturday afternoon at about 4pm.
I wouldn't be worried, except I am also monitoring his finances and I show
no credit card or ATM activity since the 14th. Seems like he would have had
to do some shopping at VVR or Red's...
Anyhow, any news would be good to hear. Just send me email at my domain
metagrrrl.com.
Thanks,
Dinah
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:38:53 -0700
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
From: Edmond Meinfelder <edmond@meinfelder.com>
Subject: [pct-l] News from Edmond/Tangent
Hello all,
Dinah here.
Just had a call from Edmond and he's doing fine. Had a spot of food
poisoning which slowed him down for a bit, but he's better now. He's
traveling with CoSue, EasyE and Chucky and they're staying tonight at a ski
resort in Mammoth. He was burbling delightly on the phone about the beds,
the shower, the two - two! - phone lines in the room, the pool, the hot
tub, the pizza... :)
He says he's about two days south of Tuolumne Meadows now. Still having a
wonderful time.
While on the phone with him I checked the status of the fire north of
Yosemite and it's now listed as 95% contained, so that's more good news.
happy trails!
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Message: 4
From: Carl Siechert <CarlS@swdocs.com>
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:59:31 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] RE: 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again.
> score. You must complete the trail in 2003 to be considered a
> thruhiker.
Sounds good to me. Does this mean I get into ADZPCTKO for free? By the way,
is that "all you can eat"?
> However, if you turn states evidence on Strider your sentence may be
> lessened
Not a problem. I've been looking for a reason to turn that guy in ever since
he and Hacker pulled that stunt where they hiked 43 miles one day just to
show up the Minnesota Milers.
> You were carrying the load too LOW. On a non-yoke shoulder system the
> shoulder straps should go up from the shoulders at a 45
> degree angle to the
> frame. Generally, this means the location where the straps
> join the frame
> should be 2-3 inches above the top of the shoulder.
I'll have to dig out my old Kelty file. The shoulder-strap attachment points
are pretty low on the pack...so even with the straps level the pack rides
high. I'm pretty sure that was part of Kelty's pack-fitting instructions.
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Message: 5
From: John Musielewicz <jm@bluebuzz.com>
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again.
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:26:55 -0500
I donno. I've used external frame packs with the size of load you are
talking about with straps at less than a 45 and now an internal with
straps at a 45 find about equal carrying capacity at a medium heavy
load like 75+ (up to maybe 85 or 90). If I was carrying a heavy load
now and carrying it any distance I'd want to use a good custom pack
frame, probably something along the3 lines of a packboard, anyway
with the load properly distributed and lashed which you really can't
do with these commercial packs. Then I would be worrying about the
angle of the straps and want the angle custom fit to my body. I would
certainly want space between the upper part of the straps. Curious to
know what a yoke suspen is since a yoke is quite diferant in design
from a backpack suspenstion.
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:31:53 EDT, you wrote:
>Reynold writes:
>
>> You were carrying the load too LOW. On a non-yoke shoulder system the
>> shoulder straps should go up from the shoulders at a 45 degree angle to
the
>> frame. Generally, this means the location where the straps join the frame
>> should be 2-3 inches above the top of the shoulder.
>
>Yea, right. Just try to carry that large of a pack, filled to the gills,
>weighing it at 75+ lbs with the shoulder straps going back at a 45 degree
>angle! You would have to have the damn waste belt pulled into what the old
>Aussie convicts used to call a "gut pinch". The waste belt would be so
tight
>that it would cut off circulation to your hips and legs and you'd fall down
>like a pigmy overloaded with an elephant just twenty yards down the trail.
>
>With that much weight you HAVE to balance the load of the weight between
the
>shoulders and waste or else one or the other wears out. It typically is
>shifted back and forth to lessen the deadening of nerves in either place.
>
>What the hell is a "non-yoke shoulder system"? I'll take mine sunny side
up
>with the yoke please, but throw away the white!
>
>Oh, any any salty '77er worth his damn wouldn't turn states evidence on a
>comrad for all of the polarguard in China!
>
>Greg
>
>"Salvitur Ambulando"
>(walking solves all things)
> St. Augustine
>
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Message: 6
From: John Musielewicz <jm@bluebuzz.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] The Summit
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:49:49 -0500
The summit? The summit is all and be all of being there!! There is no
other reason WORTH being there. There is no excuse worthy of turning
away and not reaching the summit. Nail your buddies to the face and
climb up there dead decaying corpses if you have to to reach it:)
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:15:03 EDT, you wrote:
>First , good choice turning around at 14,000ft. Mountain Dave!!! Better to
>live to climb another day. ( The summit is only an excuse to be on the
>mountain anyway!!) Pack weights.?? The Kelty Tioga just keeps getting
better
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:54:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Kroger <fkroger1999@yahoo.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Cc: callahan@mind.net, callahan@callahanslodge.com
Subject: [pct-l] CA sections PQ, OR section A, B.
I hiked Sections PQ, northern California between I-5 Dunsmuir and Seiad
Valley and found them basically passable, I was happy to have my ice ax for
crossing the higher elevations in the Marble Wilderness.
In southern Oregon the trail is free enough of snow to be followed between
Seiad Valley, I-5 and Oregon State route 140. I lost the trail half way
between 140 and Crater Lake and turned back because I was running low on
food and was close to the time when my family was expecting a phone call
from me. There were footsteps showing someone was not far ahead of me and I
assume he got through. I also met an Austrian throughhiker who had started
at Campo mid April and had made it all the way that far without skipping any
parts such as high Sierras. So people are getting through. Also New
Zeelander Kiwi seemed to be ahead according to the log books.
In Dunsmuir I stayed at the Travelodge ( pretty sure that was what it was
called, on east side of main street through town, just north of the
Thriftway store). It is also close to the post office.
Duinsmuir has a Thai restaurant, west side of the main street through town,
right down town. I receved extra noodels at no charge when I told them I was
PCT hiker.
Castella has only post office, gas station with store.
In Seiad Valley stayed in the "bunk house" at the trailer park next to
(east) of store/post office/restaurant. Charge was $10 per night. included
sheets on one of three beds, tv (they have large collection of video tapes
on loan at no charge), microwave, refrigerator and can opener. Owner's name:
Marge.
There is a cabin just before the OR border. Soon after you cross a wooden
footbridge you go through some forest, then as you head east you go through
a meadow, the cabin is on your right. It is unlocked and has a comfortable
mattress on the loft.
At I-5 camped on the lawn at Callahan for $5/night.. Ron and Donna are the
owners. Very friendly and helpful. Paid another $5 for shower and clothes
wash for which I was lent a bath robe. For the shower had to wait for guests
to leave in the morning and then use their room.
The Callahan restaurant has entrees between $10-$20. For $10 you get 5
course spaghetti dinner with all you can eat on the spaghetti for PCT hikers
If you notice the Tibetan temple etc in the valley to the South as you
approach I-5 do not bother to go there in the hope of being well received.
Ron from Callahan drove me out there (about 20 mile round trip).I was told
that they were "not a motel." They do not have the time of day for PCT
hikers.
I have gone home for a few days of R&R and plan to return to Kennedy Meadows
to fill in the Sierras that I had skipped.
Satellite, Frank Kroger, Berkeley
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Message: 8
From: "Randy Forsland" <randy_forsland@hotmail.com>
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again.
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:10:15 -0700
>>The waste belt would be so tight that it would cut off circulation to your
>>hips and legs and you'd fall down
>>like a pigmy overloaded with an elephant just twenty yards down the trail.
I don't even want to imagine what a "waste belt" is used for...or where it
attaches...
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:00:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Kroger <fkroger1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] CA sections PQ, OR section A, B. correction
To: Frank Kroger <fkroger1999@yahoo.com>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Cc: callahan@mind.net, callahan@callahanslodge.com
Correction: The cabin I mentioned on the CA/OR border is on the left as you
head east (north)
Frank
Frank Kroger <fkroger1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
I hiked Sections PQ, northern California between I-5 Dunsmuir and Seiad
Valley and found them basically passable, I was happy to have my ice ax for
crossing the higher elevations in the Marble Wilderness.
In southern Oregon the trail is free enough of snow to be followed between
Seiad Valley, I-5 and Oregon State route 140. I lost the trail half way
between 140 and Crater Lake and turned back because I was running low on
food and was close to the time when my family was expecting a phone call
from me. There were footsteps showing someone was not far ahead of me and I
assume he got through. I also met an Austrian throughhiker who had started
at Campo mid April and had made it all the way that far without skipping any
parts such as high Sierras. So people are getting through. Also New
Zeelander Kiwi seemed to be ahead according to the log books.
In Dunsmuir I stayed at the Travelodge ( pretty sure that was what it was
called, on east side of main street through town, just north of the
Thriftway store). It is also close to the post office.
Duinsmuir has a Thai restaurant, west side of the main street through town,
right down town. I receved extra noodels at no charge when I told them I was
PCT hiker.
Castella has only post office, gas station with store.
In Seiad Valley stayed in the "bunk house" at the trailer park next to
(east) of store/post office/restaurant. Charge was $10 per night. included
sheets on one of three beds, tv (they have large collection of video tapes
on loan at no charge), microwave, refrigerator and can opener. Owner's name:
Marge.
There is a cabin just before the OR border. Soon after you cross a wooden
footbridge you go through some forest, then as you head east you go through
a meadow, the cabin is on your right. It is unlocked and has a comfortable
mattress on the loft.
At I-5 camped on the lawn at Callahan for $5/night.. Ron and Donna are the
owners. Very friendly and helpful. Paid another $5 for shower and clothes
wash for which I was lent a bath robe. For the shower had to wait for guests
to leave in the morning and then use their room.
The Callahan restaurant has entrees between $10-$20. For $10 you get 5
course spaghetti dinner with all you can eat on the spaghetti for PCT hikers
If you notice the Tibetan temple etc in the valley to the South as you
approach I-5 do not bother to go there in the hope of being well received.
Ron from Callahan drove me out there (about 20 mile round trip).I was told
that they were "not a motel." They do not have the time of day for PCT
hikers.
I have gone home for a few days of R&R and plan to return to Kennedy Meadows
to fill in the Sierras that I had skipped.
Satellite, Frank Kroger, Berkeley
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Message: 10
From: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [pct-l] 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again.
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:57:03 -0700
A Yoke shoulder suspension system is typically used on an upscale internal
frame pack. The shoulder straps proceed over the shoulders and down the back
meeting in the center of the backpack creating a "Y", hence Yoke system.
Usually the exact location on the backpack where the yoke meets is
adjustable since, with most internal frame packs, the relationship of the
pack bag to the waist belt is fixed. Moving the Y [the location where the
two shoulder straps meet] up lengthens the effective length of the pack
while moving it down shortens the effective length. Understanding the theory
of carrying a load, one BIG benefit of the Yoke system is that it allows
salesmen to sell packs that don't really fit. Lenghting the pack length will
allow the pack to be worn by a hiker who is too tall but the load will be
too low. A real benefit of the Yoke system, however, is that the shoulder
straps are in contact with the hikers body over both the front and back of
the shoulders. This makes the pack feel like it is more "connected" to the
body, a condition which many hikers like, [at least initially when they try
on the pack before buying it] and does in fact add a modicum of control of
the load [most of the load control attributed to internal frame packs comes
from their lower center of gravity. This is why internal packs are better
for off trail scrambling but inferior for on trail walking]. Obviously the
problem with the Yoke approach is that there is nothing to prevent the pack
from pulling back on top and creating pressure on the shoulders when it
does. To overcome this, pack manufacturers add stabilizing straps that run
from the shoulder straps to the top of the pack bag. These stabilizing
straps should run upward from the shoulder at a 45 degree angle to the bpack
bag. This is to avoid shoulder compresson when the pack pulls backward.
With the Kelty Tioga SOME pack length adjustment was available by moving the
hip belt up or down a bit but, in reality, one simply needed to be the right
height for it to fit properly. Later Tioga's provided two horizonal stays
and the straps could be attached to either of them but this was only
marginally better. This is why most women hate external frame packs. They
don't fit. Although Dick Kelty was the inventor and pioneer of the hip belt,
the Jansport people soon designed a better pack. On the Jansport pack the
horizonal member is adjustable vertically as are the swing arms. It is
possible to set the pack length exactly and position the load relative to
the shoulders, up or down as desired.
Looking at the 77 Kelty Kids, it is clear that the pack lengths are too
short. Dick had not yet added that second horizonal stay yet. The load is
carried high enough but any pulling back on the pack [a given with a load
carried high]would compress the shoulders. In later years Jansport went to a
yoke system on its external frame packs. The added control was a big plus. A
real strength of the yoke system is the ability to keep the shoulder straps
loose while walking down the trail [the stabilizing straps prevent the pack
from tilting backward] while tightening the straps [and loosening the
stabilizing straps somewhat] over rough terrain.
It would be trivial to add stabilizing straps to the 77 Kelty pack. Simply
sew the strap on the shoulder strap just before the shoulder and attach them
to the vertical center stays. I make this suggestion in an effort to help
out the 77 thruhikers on their mandatory 2003 thruhike.
And to John who wants a custom pack custom fit to his body, I will loan my
Jansport frame.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Musielewicz [mailto:jm@bluebuzz.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:27 PM
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it
again.
I donno. I've used external frame packs with the size of load you are
talking about with straps at less than a 45 and now an internal with
straps at a 45 find about equal carrying capacity at a medium heavy
load like 75+ (up to maybe 85 or 90). If I was carrying a heavy load
now and carrying it any distance I'd want to use a good custom pack
frame, probably something along the3 lines of a packboard, anyway
with the load properly distributed and lashed which you really can't
do with these commercial packs. Then I would be worrying about the
angle of the straps and want the angle custom fit to my body. I would
certainly want space between the upper part of the straps. Curious to
know what a yoke suspen is since a yoke is quite diferant in design
from a backpack suspenstion.
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:31:53 EDT, you wrote:
>Reynold writes:
>
>> You were carrying the load too LOW. On a non-yoke shoulder system the
>> shoulder straps should go up from the shoulders at a 45 degree angle to
the
>> frame. Generally, this means the location where the straps join the frame
>> should be 2-3 inches above the top of the shoulder.
>
>Yea, right. Just try to carry that large of a pack, filled to the gills,
>weighing it at 75+ lbs with the shoulder straps going back at a 45 degree
>angle! You would have to have the damn waste belt pulled into what the old
>Aussie convicts used to call a "gut pinch". The waste belt would be so
tight
>that it would cut off circulation to your hips and legs and you'd fall down
>like a pigmy overloaded with an elephant just twenty yards down the trail.
>
>With that much weight you HAVE to balance the load of the weight between
the
>shoulders and waste or else one or the other wears out. It typically is
>shifted back and forth to lessen the deadening of nerves in either place.
>
>What the hell is a "non-yoke shoulder system"? I'll take mine sunny side
up
>with the yoke please, but throw away the white!
>
>Oh, any any salty '77er worth his damn wouldn't turn states evidence on a
>comrad for all of the polarguard in China!
>
>Greg
>
>"Salvitur Ambulando"
>(walking solves all things)
> St. Augustine
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:35:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: mardav <mardav@charter.net>
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Fw:the Garden of Eden
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Message: 12
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:51:08 EDT
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again.
To: randy_forsland@hotmail.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
A "waste belt" is otherwise known as a "hip belt" that is worn so low on the
abdomen as to catch all bodily waste. Handling of the waste belt has been
known to cause serious stomach problems in backpackers (and pygmies).
Wise Ass
"Salvitur Ambulando"
(walking solves all things)
St. Augustine
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Message: 13
From: "Steve Stenkamp" <sskamp@bendnet.com>
To: "pct-l" <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:58:11 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] OR section A & B
Correction: The cabin I mentioned on the CA/OR border is on the left as =
you head east (north)
Last Summer I spent the night in the cabin. It is just after Donomore =
Creek. The snow load has pushed the cabin over and the floor had a 8-10 =
inch drop the length of my sleeping bag. The owners of the cabin are =
also the landowners or leasee's of Donomore Meadow and don't mind if =
people use it. The best feature is the 3 sided 2 "holer" in the back.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:05:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Kroger <fkroger1999@yahoo.com>
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Cabin on
Steve: That would explain the cables at the back of the cabin which are
holding it up.
Frank "Satellite"
Steve Stenkamp <sskamp@bendnet.com> wrote: Correction: The cabin I
mentioned on the CA/OR border is on the left as you head east (north)
Last Summer I spent the night in the cabin. It is just after Donomore Creek.
The snow load has pushed the cabin over and the floor had a 8-10 inch drop
the length of my sleeping bag. The owners of the cabin are also the
landowners or leasee's of Donomore Meadow and don't mind if people use it.
The best feature is the 3 sided 2 "holer" in the back.
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Message: 15
From: <earlb@copper.net>
To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:13:45 -0700
Subject: [pct-l] Re: PCT-L dpacks: comfort vs weight: Why packs work, Part 2
> My problem with these light packs is that they do not consider that
a women's
> body is different then mens.
You might take a look at the Acr'teryx Khamsin series of packs. The
52, 3400 cc without collar extended, is about four pounds. The 62,
4000 cc without collar extended, is a few ounces heavier. When
khamsin's unisex belt is adjusted to maximize cant, the cant is
considerable. It ought to accommodate the shapeliest of hips.
Last year, a woman through-hiked the PCT carrying one of these packs,
which suggests to me that Acr'teryx got it right, at least for women.
Earl
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Message: 16
Reply-To: "Carl Siechert" <carl@pct77.org>
From: "Carl Siechert" <csiechert@hotmail.com>
To: <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again.
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:30:58 -0700
> Looking at the 77 Kelty Kids, it is clear that the pack lengths are too
> short. Dick had not yet added that second horizonal stay yet. The load is
Actually, one feature of these frames is that the horizontal stay to which
the shoulder straps attach can be adjusted vertically.
I'm not sure what you mean by second horizontal stay; I don't think any
Kelty pack had more than the crossbar with the shoulder-strap attachment,
the bar at the top of the pack, and (on some models) the "frame extension,"
which added another bar (the "handle" that Greg mentioned) a few inches
above the top of the packbag.
> It would be trivial to add stabilizing straps to the 77 Kelty pack. Simply
> sew the strap on the shoulder strap just before the shoulder and attach
them
> to the vertical center stays. I make this suggestion in an effort to help
> out the 77 thruhikers on their mandatory 2003 thruhike.
Much appreciated. I just might try it!
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Message: 17
From: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>
To: "'Carl Siechert'" <carl@pct77.org>, pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [pct-l] 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it again.
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:46:47 -0700
Well then why didn't you move the crossbar higher? Error. Try agian!
Later kelty packs, or knocvkoffs, had two horizonal stays, either one was
rigged to attach shoulder straps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Siechert [mailto:csiechert@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:31 PM
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 1977 Thruhike disqualified. Go back and do it
again.
> Looking at the 77 Kelty Kids, it is clear that the pack lengths are too
> short. Dick had not yet added that second horizonal stay yet. The load is
Actually, one feature of these frames is that the horizontal stay to which
the shoulder straps attach can be adjusted vertically.
I'm not sure what you mean by second horizontal stay; I don't think any
Kelty pack had more than the crossbar with the shoulder-strap attachment,
the bar at the top of the pack, and (on some models) the "frame extension,"
which added another bar (the "handle" that Greg mentioned) a few inches
above the top of the packbag.
> It would be trivial to add stabilizing straps to the 77 Kelty pack. Simply
> sew the strap on the shoulder strap just before the shoulder and attach
them
> to the vertical center stays. I make this suggestion in an effort to help
> out the 77 thruhikers on their mandatory 2003 thruhike.
Much appreciated. I just might try it!
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Message: 18
From: "Ryan K. Brooks" <ryan@hack.net>
To: <at-l@backcountry.net>, <pct-l@backcountry.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:45:45 -0500
Subject: [pct-l] hacking (admin)
I've got someone attacking the webserver, so I've temporarily taken web =
services off-line.
fyi,
R
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:02:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stacey Turner <sturner72@yahoo.com>
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Down Sleeping Bags
I'm planning to thru-hike the PCT in 2003 and am seeking advice on a down
sleeping bag. I'm 5'2" and am looking at the Northface Blue Igloo and
Sierra Design Prism. Any feedback on these two bags or suggestions on
another bag. Since this is my first major hike I am trying to keep my gear
within the 12-14 range (I'm not ready for ultralight).
Thanks.
Stacey
sturner72@yahoo.com
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