[pct-l] Fwd: Angeles NF Bans Stoves for 2018

[Drew Smith]

Jay, thanks for the link. It makes the order less ambiguous (pressurized
stoves are explicitly included in the definition of stove fire) but I
suspect it still is ill-worded. Since no exception is made for stove fires
within vehicles (as is made for smoking), the letter of the order would
make cooking (or running a gas heater) within an RV illegal and punishable.
I very much doubt that this is the intent.

Unless this is indeed the case (and good luck enforcing that), I stand by
my assessment that this is a sloppily-worded order.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 9:51 AM Jay Bruins <jbruins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, but it’s not ambiguous.
>
> The cover letter (second page of the PDF) explains, in plain English,
> their intent to ban stoves. As “sloppy” as they might have been in
> proofreading, just reading rest of the provided document would have made
> their intent clear.
>
> Moreover the order itself, refers to the law directly. The law can be
> found here:
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/261.52
> Cornell’s site is convenient in that the definition for “stove fire”
> hyperlinks to the legal definition from 261.2. From there, you can look at
> the definition of “campfire”, too.
>
> This California fire season has created a natural resource disaster.
> Managing it is not something I’d wish on anyone.
>
> Armstrong
>
> On Jan 8, 2018, at 8:11 AM, Drew Smith <jdrewsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Another example of their typical sloppy and ambiguous orders. A "stove
> fire" might reasonably be interpreted as a wood-burning stove, and I'll bet
> that was their intent. Otherwise they would be banning Coleman stoves and
> stoves within RVs. I find that implausible.
>
> Note how the author confuses "except" with "exempt" in the second section.
> Do they give a second's thought to these orders? They obviously don't
> bother to proofread them.
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:26 AM Gary Schenk <gary_schenk at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> New fire and stove restrictions on the Angeles for 1018. No campfires or
>
> stoves, apparently even in developed campgrounds.
>
> https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd568359.pdf
>
>
> Gary
>
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