[pct-l] Fwd: Angeles NF Bans Stoves for 2018

[Richard Brinkman]

I didn't plan on being cookless but my Esbit was banned in California, so I was until Oregon, who four days in banned it as well.  Cookless was not bad and if I hiked again, I would go cookless.

Roadwalker '15

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From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of dylan patrick clark
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Jay Bruins
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Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fwd: Angeles NF Bans Stoves for 2018

"This California fire season has created a natural resource disaster. Managing it is not something I’d wish on anyone."

Hear, hear! Time to try no-cook, I guess.

…

Death

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 8:51 AM, Jay Bruins <jbruins at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry, but it’s not ambiguous.
>
> The cover letter (second page of the PDF) explains, in plain English, 
> their intent to ban stoves. As “sloppy” as they might have been in 
> proofreading, just reading rest of the provided document would have 
> made their intent clear.
>
> Moreover the order itself, refers to the law directly. The law can be 
> found here:
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/261.52
> Cornell’s site is convenient in that the definition for “stove fire”
> hyperlinks to the legal definition from 261.2. From there, you can 
> look at the definition of “campfire”, too.
>
> This California fire season has created a natural resource disaster.
> Managing it is not something I’d wish on anyone.
>
> Armstrong
>
> > On Jan 8, 2018, at 8:11 AM, Drew Smith <jdrewsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Another example of their typical sloppy and ambiguous orders. A 
> > "stove fire" might reasonably be interpreted as a wood-burning 
> > stove, and I'll
> bet
> > that was their intent. Otherwise they would be banning Coleman 
> > stoves and stoves within RVs. I find that implausible.
> >
> > Note how the author confuses "except" with "exempt" in the second
> section.
> > Do they give a second's thought to these orders? They obviously 
> > don't bother to proofread them.
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:26 AM Gary Schenk 
> >> <gary_schenk at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> New fire and stove restrictions on the Angeles for 1018. No 
> >> campfires or stoves, apparently even in developed campgrounds.
> >> https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd568359.pdf
> >>
> >> Gary
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