[pct-l] Fires

[Scott Diamond]

Thanks for the info Carl. The San Bernadino post does state that a shut off
valve is required. (But it is a little odd since they state that wood or
charcoal fires are permitted.) As I read the Angeles NF though it seems to
imply that you need a campfire permit but there is no requirement for a
shut-off valve. I would think a alcohol stove would be legal. I tried
calling them but the indicate they are closed.

Good info.

      -Scott

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com> wrote:

> The rules are different for each forest. Marmot was specifically referring
> to SoCal, where alcohol stoves are not allowed.
>
> San Bernardino NF:
>
>    - Portable contained-gas or liquefied-petroleum stoves or lanterns with
>       a fuel shut-off valve are permitted with a valid California
> Campfire Permit.
>
> https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/sbnf/home/?cid=fsbdev7_007776
>
> Angeles NF:
>
>    - Gas and petroleum jelly stoves only outside of designated sites with a
>       valid California Campfire Permit.
>
> https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/angeles/conditions/?cid=FSBDEV3_027721
>
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Scott Diamond <
> scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > No that is not a nice e-mail. Worse though, it is factually inaccurate.
> >
> > I've heard these overarching statements by some that "alcohol stoves are
> > banned from the PCT!".  Anecdotally, last summer when getting a ride up
> to
> > Walker pass, I was picked up by a ranger and former forest fire fighter.
> > She indicated that there was not any ban on alcohol stoves.  I had heard
> > that Sequoia has restrictions and I did a quick Google Search.  The
> webpage
> > states that for designated campgrounds
> > <https://www.nps.gov/seki/learn/nature/fire-restrictions.htm>"propane,
> > alcohol (with and without a shutoff valve) and tablet/cube stoves are
> > permitted". And this is all the way up to level 3 (extreme).  The
> > additional restrictions for backpacking
> > <https://www.nps.gov/seki/planyourvisit/minimum-impact-restrictions.htm>
> > do
> > not mention a shut off valve.  If someone has some verifiable objective
> > evidence showing otherwise then please post it. I'm open to learning.
> >
> > It is a free country and you are welcome to express your opinions. We
> could
> > lecture each other on the evils of Walmart, buying bottled water,  or
> other
> > issues but I'd suggest that lecturing people in this manner, while it may
> > make you feel better, is very ineffective.
> >
> >    - Rover
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:07 PM, marmot marmot <
> marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > There have been so many references on line to making a fire on the
> trail.
> > > Hikers--class of 2017---you do not make fires. This is southern Calif.
> > > Every section you have walked through has had enormous burns. Most of
> > those
> > > burns were caused by people. ALL of those people thought that they knew
> > > what they were doing. You are only allowed to use a backpacking stove
> > with
> > > a shut off valve. No Alcohol, No esbit tabs. NO STUPID CAMPFIRES. I
> don't
> > > care if you imagine that just because you have a fire permit that you
> can
> > > burn up the forest because you want to have Somemores. Campfires
> require
> > a
> > > shovel,water,a huge diameter of plant free dirt. Do you have that?  I
> > doubt
> > > it. This is mindless behavior. The Lake Fire burned 30,000 acres. This
> is
> > > not a nice email. It is not meant to be. The animals,trees and plants
> you
> > > kill by carelessness, will never come back. It does not matter that you
> > > imagine you can control a fire. So did everyone who thought that they
> > could
> > > not live without a "romantic" fire.
> > >
> > > Marmot
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
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