[pct-l] Fires

[Carl Siechert]

I meant to add...

Her larger point was about campfires, which I think are prohibited on all
SoCal forest lands except in developed campgrounds.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com> wrote:

> The rules are different for each forest. Marmot was specifically referring
> to SoCal, where alcohol stoves are not allowed.
>
> San Bernardino NF:
>
>    - Portable contained-gas or liquefied-petroleum stoves or lanterns
>       with a fuel shut-off valve are permitted with a valid California Campfire
>       Permit.
>
> https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/sbnf/home/?cid=fsbdev7_007776
>
> Angeles NF:
>
>    - Gas and petroleum jelly stoves only outside of designated sites with
>       a valid California Campfire Permit.
>
> https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/angeles/conditions/?cid=FSBDEV3_027721
>
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Scott Diamond <
> scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No that is not a nice e-mail. Worse though, it is factually inaccurate.
>>
>> I've heard these overarching statements by some that "alcohol stoves are
>> banned from the PCT!".  Anecdotally, last summer when getting a ride up to
>> Walker pass, I was picked up by a ranger and former forest fire fighter.
>> She indicated that there was not any ban on alcohol stoves.  I had heard
>> that Sequoia has restrictions and I did a quick Google Search.  The
>> webpage
>> states that for designated campgrounds
>> <https://www.nps.gov/seki/learn/nature/fire-restrictions.htm>"propane,
>> alcohol (with and without a shutoff valve) and tablet/cube stoves are
>> permitted". And this is all the way up to level 3 (extreme).  The
>> additional restrictions for backpacking
>> <https://www.nps.gov/seki/planyourvisit/minimum-impact-restrictions.htm>
>> do
>> not mention a shut off valve.  If someone has some verifiable objective
>> evidence showing otherwise then please post it. I'm open to learning.
>>
>> It is a free country and you are welcome to express your opinions. We
>> could
>> lecture each other on the evils of Walmart, buying bottled water,  or
>> other
>> issues but I'd suggest that lecturing people in this manner, while it may
>> make you feel better, is very ineffective.
>>
>>    - Rover
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:07 PM, marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > There have been so many references on line to making a fire on the
>> trail.
>> > Hikers--class of 2017---you do not make fires. This is southern Calif.
>> > Every section you have walked through has had enormous burns. Most of
>> those
>> > burns were caused by people. ALL of those people thought that they knew
>> > what they were doing. You are only allowed to use a backpacking stove
>> with
>> > a shut off valve. No Alcohol, No esbit tabs. NO STUPID CAMPFIRES. I
>> don't
>> > care if you imagine that just because you have a fire permit that you
>> can
>> > burn up the forest because you want to have Somemores. Campfires
>> require a
>> > shovel,water,a huge diameter of plant free dirt. Do you have that?  I
>> doubt
>> > it. This is mindless behavior. The Lake Fire burned 30,000 acres. This
>> is
>> > not a nice email. It is not meant to be. The animals,trees and plants
>> you
>> > kill by carelessness, will never come back. It does not matter that you
>> > imagine you can control a fire. So did everyone who thought that they
>> could
>> > not live without a "romantic" fire.
>> >
>> > Marmot
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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