[pct-l] Fires

[Carl Siechert]

The rules are different for each forest. Marmot was specifically referring
to SoCal, where alcohol stoves are not allowed.

San Bernardino NF:

   - Portable contained-gas or liquefied-petroleum stoves or lanterns with
      a fuel shut-off valve are permitted with a valid California
Campfire Permit.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/sbnf/home/?cid=fsbdev7_007776

Angeles NF:

   - Gas and petroleum jelly stoves only outside of designated sites with a
      valid California Campfire Permit.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/angeles/conditions/?cid=FSBDEV3_027721


On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Scott Diamond <scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com>
wrote:

> No that is not a nice e-mail. Worse though, it is factually inaccurate.
>
> I've heard these overarching statements by some that "alcohol stoves are
> banned from the PCT!".  Anecdotally, last summer when getting a ride up to
> Walker pass, I was picked up by a ranger and former forest fire fighter.
> She indicated that there was not any ban on alcohol stoves.  I had heard
> that Sequoia has restrictions and I did a quick Google Search.  The webpage
> states that for designated campgrounds
> <https://www.nps.gov/seki/learn/nature/fire-restrictions.htm>"propane,
> alcohol (with and without a shutoff valve) and tablet/cube stoves are
> permitted". And this is all the way up to level 3 (extreme).  The
> additional restrictions for backpacking
> <https://www.nps.gov/seki/planyourvisit/minimum-impact-restrictions.htm>
> do
> not mention a shut off valve.  If someone has some verifiable objective
> evidence showing otherwise then please post it. I'm open to learning.
>
> It is a free country and you are welcome to express your opinions. We could
> lecture each other on the evils of Walmart, buying bottled water,  or other
> issues but I'd suggest that lecturing people in this manner, while it may
> make you feel better, is very ineffective.
>
>    - Rover
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:07 PM, marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There have been so many references on line to making a fire on the trail.
> > Hikers--class of 2017---you do not make fires. This is southern Calif.
> > Every section you have walked through has had enormous burns. Most of
> those
> > burns were caused by people. ALL of those people thought that they knew
> > what they were doing. You are only allowed to use a backpacking stove
> with
> > a shut off valve. No Alcohol, No esbit tabs. NO STUPID CAMPFIRES. I don't
> > care if you imagine that just because you have a fire permit that you can
> > burn up the forest because you want to have Somemores. Campfires require
> a
> > shovel,water,a huge diameter of plant free dirt. Do you have that?  I
> doubt
> > it. This is mindless behavior. The Lake Fire burned 30,000 acres. This is
> > not a nice email. It is not meant to be. The animals,trees and plants you
> > kill by carelessness, will never come back. It does not matter that you
> > imagine you can control a fire. So did everyone who thought that they
> could
> > not live without a "romantic" fire.
> >
> > Marmot
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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