[pct-l] Sleeping Bag recommendations

[Ed Jarrett]

I know nothing about down production. But I am an American who has cooked and eaten a goose that I bought in a local, Washington, grocery store. Very greasy but otherwise it seemed OK. I have also know several people who hunt geese and, AFAIK, eat them.
Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)Web site: http://aclayjar.netTwitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71 

> Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 19:12:41 -0700
> From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com
> To: jbruins at gmail.com
> CC: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping Bag recommendations
> 
> First of all, I want to applaud you for a strong desire to purchase
> ethically produced animal products.  However, please be aware that there is
> a tremendous amount of deceptive "legalese" with, well, many consumer
> products including animal products.  This "Meat Processing Facility", most
> likely includes food for dogs, cats and other pets as well as humans.
> After harvesting down from alive screaming geese for the life of a goose,
> it is then, most likely, sold for dog food.  Therefore, you are still
> supporting this cruel industry. Please don't allow yourself to be deceived!
> 
> Has anyone met anyone who has even eaten a goose?  Eating a goose in
> America is a rare event.  There are no restaurants that I know of that sell
> them.  They are not in any grocery store.  I had some European Foreign
> Exchange Students when my children were in High School. They told me that
> Europeans do not eat as much beef as Americans and they eat more "lamb".
> I've never known Europeans to eat geese. Two of my daughters have been in
> Europe, Iceland etc.  They never talked about the geese served in Europe.
> People in China eat a lot of duck, pork, chicken but I've never heard of a
> large goose consumption.
> 
> Meanwhile, the world is generating millions of tons of down for billions of
> down products.  With all the down products, everyone in the world would
> have had to consume 10-20 geese to harvest that much down.
> 
> Many labels with "Humane meat", "Cage Free Eggs" even "Organic" have been
> exposed as fraud or "deceptive legalese".  I'm sure this place in Europe is
> completely certified from dead animals.  However, this is after a lifetime
> of cruelty!  The number of yearlings sold for human consumption, who have
> never had their down plucked live; is a small, small small percentage of
> their "meat industry"!  If this company only sold down from "virgin" geese;
> you would not have enough product to fill your orders.  The price would be
> astronomical!
> 
> PLEASE DO NOT BUY DOWN!!!!  You would not pull the hair out of your dog or
> cat every 6 months.  Please do not subject other animals to this cruelty.
> Do not support this industry!
> 
> Diet Plan
> 
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Jay Bruins <jbruins at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > If you're vegan, down is probably out of the question. If you're not, many
> > manufactures use reasonable sources.
> >
> > "Is your Goose Down ethically sourced?
> > Yes. Our white goose down comes directly from a meat processing facility
> > in Europe. It is a byproduct of the goose meat industry and would be thrown
> > away if it didn't have a use. No birds are force fed, live plucked, or any
> > of that nasty business."
> > http://zpacks.com/FAQs.shtml#sleepingbags
> >
> > I would be glad to know what Enlightened Equipment says about their down.
> >
> > Armstrong
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