[pct-l] Sleeping Bag recommendations

[Marian Harmon]

I just wanted to respond to this part: "Has anyone met anyone who has even
eaten a goose?  Eating a goose in America is a rare event.  There are no
restaurants that I know of that sell them.  They are not in any grocery
store. "

Actually, you can find it in a lot of places. I've had it. My grandparents
raised several every year for their own use, and roasted them. It's pretty
similar to duck or even roast beef... dark, rich meat. It's definitely not
an everyday type of thing, more special occasion.

You can also buy them at places like Whole Foods in the Los Angeles area.
They get them from a local family (Pitman Farms) that is well known for
chicken, ducks, turkeys and geese. ( http://www.marysducks.com )

I totally respect those that lead a vegan lifestyle. But wanted to answer
the question posed. Geese may not be as common as chicken or turkey, but
they are accessible and available. They do tend to be seasonal, but you can
find it. Goose tacos are pretty popular in December around LA.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
wrote:

> First of all, I want to applaud you for a strong desire to purchase
> ethically produced animal products.  However, please be aware that there is
> a tremendous amount of deceptive "legalese" with, well, many consumer
> products including animal products.  This "Meat Processing Facility", most
> likely includes food for dogs, cats and other pets as well as humans.
> After harvesting down from alive screaming geese for the life of a goose,
> it is then, most likely, sold for dog food.  Therefore, you are still
> supporting this cruel industry. Please don't allow yourself to be deceived!
>
> Has anyone met anyone who has even eaten a goose?  Eating a goose in
> America is a rare event.  There are no restaurants that I know of that sell
> them.  They are not in any grocery store.  I had some European Foreign
> Exchange Students when my children were in High School. They told me that
> Europeans do not eat as much beef as Americans and they eat more "lamb".
> I've never known Europeans to eat geese. Two of my daughters have been in
> Europe, Iceland etc.  They never talked about the geese served in Europe.
> People in China eat a lot of duck, pork, chicken but I've never heard of a
> large goose consumption.
>
> Meanwhile, the world is generating millions of tons of down for billions of
> down products.  With all the down products, everyone in the world would
> have had to consume 10-20 geese to harvest that much down.
>
> Many labels with "Humane meat", "Cage Free Eggs" even "Organic" have been
> exposed as fraud or "deceptive legalese".  I'm sure this place in Europe is
> completely certified from dead animals.  However, this is after a lifetime
> of cruelty!  The number of yearlings sold for human consumption, who have
> never had their down plucked live; is a small, small small percentage of
> their "meat industry"!  If this company only sold down from "virgin" geese;
> you would not have enough product to fill your orders.  The price would be
> astronomical!
>
> PLEASE DO NOT BUY DOWN!!!!  You would not pull the hair out of your dog or
> cat every 6 months.  Please do not subject other animals to this cruelty.
> Do not support this industry!
>
> Diet Plan
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Jay Bruins <jbruins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you're vegan, down is probably out of the question. If you're not,
> many
> > manufactures use reasonable sources.
> >
> > "Is your Goose Down ethically sourced?
> > Yes. Our white goose down comes directly from a meat processing facility
> > in Europe. It is a byproduct of the goose meat industry and would be
> thrown
> > away if it didn't have a use. No birds are force fed, live plucked, or
> any
> > of that nasty business."
> > http://zpacks.com/FAQs.shtml#sleepingbags
> >
> > I would be glad to know what Enlightened Equipment says about their down.
> >
> > Armstrong
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