[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 25, Issue 136

Bill Burge bill at burge.com
Sat Jan 30 00:27:52 CST 2010 

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I've been drinking Diet Rite Tangerine soda with lemonade vodka!

Low calories - high amusement factor!

BillB



On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:39 PM, Stephen Adams wrote:

> Canoeman has come over to the other side, where more beer, a sense  
> of humor, and critical thinking collide...
> On Jan 29, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Bill Burge wrote:
>
>>
>> Wow canoeman!
>>
>> Less beer or more spell checker!  ;-)
>>
>> I use OHV areas and am considered an OHV when I'm off the pavement.
>>
>> Does THIS look like an SUV to YOU!?!?
>>
>> http://www.4footed.com/images/current.jpg
>>
>> Not a completely recent pic, but what the hay...
>>
>> I'm almost more insulted being called an "SUV" than being lumped in
>> with the "those OHV people"!  :-D
>>
>> har har har...
>>
>> BillB
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 7:13 PM, canoeman at qnet.com wrote:
>>
>>> Ya I dont think your getting the gist of my post.
>>> A jeep is a licecneced highway vehicle that is used of road, it is
>>> not a ohv
>>> Dirt bikes quads, mules these are ohv's
>>> ohv means not registered to go on highways.
>>> this should clear this point up.
>>> DIRT BIKES = OHV
>>> JEEPS ARE SUV'S OR FOUR WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES, not ohv,s
>>>
>>> canoeman
>>>
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>>>
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1.  Bounce bucket (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
>>>> 2. Re: you are in the minority of ohv (Bill Burge)
>>>> 3. Re: documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County (Bill
>>>> Burge)
>>>> 4. A way to defend against bears (Brick Robbins)
>>>> 5. Re: documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern County (dsaufley)
>>>> 6. Re: The Ultimate Hiker Hosting Setup (Bill Burge)
>>>> 7. Cheap synthetic sleeping bag (Austin Williams)
>>>> 8. Re: Cheap synthetic sleeping bag (Steve McAllister)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:10:20 -0800
>>>> From: "Sean 'Miner' Nordeen" <sean at lifesadventures.net>
>>>> Subject: [pct-l]  Bounce bucket
>>>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <02CBF99AD78E4BABB0F4976C3536E725 at SeanDeskTop>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>>> In the future I will use USPS Flat-Rate Priority boxes containing
>>>>> only the
>>>>> things I can't find on the trail (hiking socks, maps and guides,
>>>> electronics
>>>>> chargers, etc.)... and only bounce it to every 4th town or so.
>>>>
>>>> Flat Rate boxes may cost more to mail then sending it regular
>>>> priority
>>>> mail if you are only bouncing it a short distance (say a week or  
>>>> two
>>>> ahead). I used the largest Priority Mail Box (non-flat rate) and it
>>>> was
>>>> cheaper to mail forward then the the smaller Large Sizse Flat Rate
>>>> Box.
>>>>
>>>> -Miner
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Check my 2009 PCT Journal out at www.postholer.com/Miner
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:18:47 -0800
>>>> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] you are in the minority of ohv
>>>> To: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>>> Message-ID: <8D98C052-CE10-470E-9EAB-AFE9BB07EAA6 at burge.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;  
>>>> delsp=yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to hear that, and I'm not surprised ('cause, apparently,  
>>>> I'm in
>>>> the minority).
>>>>
>>>> BUT, when we're out with the Jeep, we go slow around kids and dogs
>>>> (you never know when one you DON'T see is gonna pop out from
>>>> somewhere!), slow around horses (while many are very well behaved
>>>> that
>>>> DO have a mind of there own and will sometimes do the unexpected  
>>>> when
>>>> surprised), watch out for bikers, and always keep an eye out for
>>>> hikers.
>>>>
>>>> I know that part of it is that I have gone on trail:  (but not  
>>>> all at
>>>> the same time!) with kids, on horseback, on foot, on mountain bike,
>>>> on
>>>> motorcycle, on ATV, and on snowshoe.
>>>>
>>>> Since I was raised in the desert, I know that if it's hot - stop  
>>>> and
>>>> make sure the "hiker" you see isn't somebody who broke down a ways
>>>> back.  Make sure everyone has enough water (I carry about 8 gallons
>>>> in
>>>> my Jeep on a trail run, it's good for so many things).  No matter
>>>> what
>>>> the mode of transportation someone is using, if they looks  
>>>> distressed
>>>> or even unhappy - stop and say "everything all right here?"
>>>>
>>>> I pulled people who were stuck (and given a little advice
>>>> afterwords -
>>>> nothing in life is "free" ;-)  I've lent tools.  I've given rides  
>>>> to
>>>> town. And I've given out a bunch of water.
>>>>
>>>> BillB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Austin Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Other than destroying the land we all love to hike in, I can also
>>>>> say that
>>>>> I've never met an OHVer that was anything close to kind or  
>>>>> friendly
>>>>> to me as
>>>>> a hiker - at least not out on the trail.  As if I'm the "gov'mt
>>>>> liber'l comy
>>>>> tryin'a take-way ther rites".
>>>>>
>>>>> Every other human - even the serious hunter-types - will wave back
>>>>> when I
>>>>> wave to them.  These OHVers are the kind of people I go to the
>>>>> backcountry
>>>>> to get away from.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:24:57 -0800
>>>> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern  
>>>> County
>>>> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <48216CC2-3E53-435E-A2E1-08E2A14D5AC9 at burge.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;  
>>>> delsp=yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Originally, I didn't feel grouped.  I was just trying to make that
>>>> point.  OK, that kinda went into the weeds!  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> We are really looking forward to another year of ferrying  
>>>> hikers.  It
>>>> was crazy loads of fun.
>>>>
>>>> Funny, none of those wanting a ride to REI seemed to care they were
>>>> doing it an Earth Wrecking Tattoo Causing (btw - I have no tattoos)
>>>> Alcohol Inspiring Smog Belching Jeep.  :-D   (Besides, the Subaru  
>>>> was
>>>> better at it and a smoother ride!  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> BillB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:55 PM, dsaufley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For clarity, my intent is those OHVers who violate the rules and
>>>>> postings
>>>>> and destroy the land (and the posted signage, too). Those are the
>>>>> OHV people
>>>>> I can't understand. The good folks like you who ride responsibly  
>>>>> and
>>>>> don't
>>>>> have "let's tear it up!" as their mantra and objective aren't  
>>>>> really
>>>>> an
>>>>> issue. My apologies if you felt grouped in with those who behavior
>>>>> and
>>>>> attitude I find personally abhorrent. It was not my intent to  
>>>>> paint
>>>>> you with
>>>>> the same brush.  I will say however, on a different level I never
>>>>> have
>>>>> understood the need or experience much fun in using a motor to
>>>>> derive
>>>>> pleasure from the out-of-doors. My word to describe those folks is
>>>>> "motorheads." My brother is a motorhead, and to some extent, so is
>>>>> my son.
>>>>> I'm not hard-wired as a motorhead. Motors have always been noisy,
>>>>> smelly,
>>>>> nuisances to me that disturb my serenity and enjoyment of the
>>>>> subtler
>>>>> sensory pleasures in nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's why they have chocolate and vanilla.  You're still the
>>>>> best darn
>>>>> hiker wrangler in the SCV no matter what :o)
>>>>>
>>>>> L-Rod
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
>>>>> ]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Bill Burge
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:05 PM
>>>>> To: PCT list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern
>>>>> County
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, when we say "these OHV people", what really mean is the type  
>>>>> of
>>>>> OHV person that would do this sort of thing and NOT OHV people in
>>>>> general - right?
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, "hikers cut trails and ruin land", no SOME hikers don't
>>>>> stick
>>>>> to the trail and DO damage land.  Some hikers litter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all of either group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have an OHV use vehicle.  No, I don't drive on hiking  
>>>>> trails.
>>>>> Yes, I invest personal time doing road and trail work.  When I  
>>>>> take
>>>>> the Jeep out, we pick up trash when we see it, no matter who  
>>>>> left it
>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> BillB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Brick Robbins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is something fundamentally different about these OHV  
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>> Somehow
>>>>>>> they don't see the destruction, or don't care. I just don't get
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "F*ck the tree huggers. The wild lands are mine to destroy as I
>>>>>> please. Climate change is a liberal myth. Drill, Baby Drill!"
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:34:58 -0800
>>>> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
>>>> Subject: [pct-l] A way to defend against bears
>>>> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> 	<ca2c2381001291634q281c3b20t19646e8c9cbafbb3 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> A little lighter in tone than the ohv video
>>>>
>>>> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/01/27/funny-pictures-video-bear-vs-kitteh/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:42:27 -0800
>>>> From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern  
>>>> County
>>>> To: "'Bill Burge'" <bill at burge.com>,	"'PCT list'"
>>>> 	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <001b01caa145$1970d200$4c527600$@com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> You have your feet firmly planted in two worlds!  BTW, they also
>>>> used to
>>>> drive the Earth Wrecking Tattoo Causing Alcohol Inspiring Smog
>>>> Belching
>>>> Suburban and Ford F350 king-cab pickup we used to lend them!   
>>>> Looking
>>>> forward to another great season. Hey, Helen's mom goes to my
>>>> dentist and
>>>> dear friend, Clare Macaulay.
>>>>
>>>> L-Rod
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
>>>> ]
>>>> On Behalf Of Bill Burge
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:25 PM
>>>> To: PCT list
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern  
>>>> County
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Originally, I didn't feel grouped.  I was just trying to make that
>>>> point.  OK, that kinda went into the weeds!  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> We are really looking forward to another year of ferrying  
>>>> hikers.  It
>>>> was crazy loads of fun.
>>>>
>>>> Funny, none of those wanting a ride to REI seemed to care they were
>>>> doing it an Earth Wrecking Tattoo Causing (btw - I have no tattoos)
>>>> Alcohol Inspiring Smog Belching Jeep.  :-D   (Besides, the Subaru  
>>>> was
>>>> better at it and a smoother ride!  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> BillB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:55 PM, dsaufley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For clarity, my intent is those OHVers who violate the rules and
>>>>> postings
>>>>> and destroy the land (and the posted signage, too). Those are the
>>>>> OHV people
>>>>> I can't understand. The good folks like you who ride responsibly  
>>>>> and
>>>>> don't
>>>>> have "let's tear it up!" as their mantra and objective aren't  
>>>>> really
>>>>> an
>>>>> issue. My apologies if you felt grouped in with those who behavior
>>>>> and
>>>>> attitude I find personally abhorrent. It was not my intent to  
>>>>> paint
>>>>> you with
>>>>> the same brush.  I will say however, on a different level I never
>>>>> have
>>>>> understood the need or experience much fun in using a motor to
>>>>> derive
>>>>> pleasure from the out-of-doors. My word to describe those folks is
>>>>> "motorheads." My brother is a motorhead, and to some extent, so is
>>>>> my son.
>>>>> I'm not hard-wired as a motorhead. Motors have always been noisy,
>>>>> smelly,
>>>>> nuisances to me that disturb my serenity and enjoyment of the
>>>>> subtler
>>>>> sensory pleasures in nature.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's why they have chocolate and vanilla.  You're still the
>>>>> best darn
>>>>> hiker wrangler in the SCV no matter what :o)
>>>>>
>>>>> L-Rod
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
>>>>> ]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Bill Burge
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:05 PM
>>>>> To: PCT list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] documentation of OHV abuse of PCT in Kern
>>>>> County
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, when we say "these OHV people", what really mean is the type  
>>>>> of
>>>>> OHV person that would do this sort of thing and NOT OHV people in
>>>>> general - right?
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, "hikers cut trails and ruin land", no SOME hikers don't
>>>>> stick
>>>>> to the trail and DO damage land.  Some hikers litter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all of either group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have an OHV use vehicle.  No, I don't drive on hiking  
>>>>> trails.
>>>>> Yes, I invest personal time doing road and trail work.  When I  
>>>>> take
>>>>> the Jeep out, we pick up trash when we see it, no matter who  
>>>>> left it
>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> BillB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Brick Robbins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is something fundamentally different about these OHV  
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>> Somehow
>>>>>>> they don't see the destruction, or don't care. I just don't get
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "F*ck the tree huggers. The wild lands are mine to destroy as I
>>>>>> please. Climate change is a liberal myth. Drill, Baby Drill!"
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:43:14 -0800
>>>> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The Ultimate Hiker Hosting Setup
>>>> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>>> Message-ID: <62D90FEA-5ADE-4178-96E3-CB82C212A02F at burge.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;  
>>>> delsp=yes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It IS beautiful!  I hear what you are saying about competing with
>>>> existing angels.
>>>>
>>>> My GF and I were day hiking a portion of the trail through Vasquez
>>>> Rocks park and saw this house that was right next to the trail and
>>>> thought, this would be awesome to live right on the trail and host
>>>> hikers.
>>>>
>>>> Then we realized that no one would stay with US unless Donna/
>>>> HikerHeaven was FULL.  Most of the time what we'd hear is "can you
>>>> tell me how much further it is to Hiker Heaven?"
>>>>
>>>> You just can't compete with some things and I wouldn't even want  
>>>> to.
>>>> I've seen Hiker Heaven in full swing and it's awesome.  It's even
>>>> more
>>>> impressive when you see it perpendicular to the hiker view.
>>>>
>>>> The hiker comes in and is there for "two nearo's and a zero" and  
>>>> they
>>>> get one view.  But we got to see it over the course of a few weeks
>>>> (we
>>>> live about 15 mins away) and it's very different and even MORE
>>>> impressive.  Think of it as looking onto a track and seeing someone
>>>> do
>>>> a 100 meter sprint - flat out diving across the finish.  Then  
>>>> imagine
>>>> what it would be like to stop and see that the same runner had done
>>>> that same diving finish, flat out sprint, 10 times in a row already
>>>> and was going on to do 10 more.  Then imagine how you'd feel.  We
>>>> need
>>>> to invent a Gold Medal for Donna!  I can't even dream of how she  
>>>> does
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> BillB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You'd end up competing with Firefly for hiker trash. It's really
>>>>> close to her house. You'd compete with Drakesbad, too. I don't  
>>>>> think
>>>>> anybody could compete with either of those two!
>>>>>
>>>>> Last summer while hiking the PCT out of Ashland near Dead Indian  
>>>>> Rd.
>>>>> there was a really nice property for sale. They even put the  
>>>>> listing
>>>>> information out on the trail.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2010, at 1:54 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ye2k86u
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:45:37 -0800
>>>> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [pct-l] Cheap synthetic sleeping bag
>>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> 	<bdb32ad91001291645j3359937atd00f0c1a05af16c6 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think it was last week that someone was talking about synthetic
>>>> bags.  I
>>>> found a 15 degree (F) synthetic sleeping bag that weighs under 3
>>>> lbs and
>>>> costs under $80.  It's the cheapest I've ever seen:
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=plyohi-20&o=1&p=8&l=as1&asins=B000RUJK0Y&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr
>>>> Here's
>>>> the
>>>>
>>> link<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RUJK0Y?ie=UTF8&tag=plyohi-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000RUJK0Y
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think Campmor also carries it, just slightly more expensive.
>>>> Hard to beat
>>>> that without switching to down.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Austin Williams
>>>> PlanYourHike.com
>>>>
>>>> "The mountains are calling and I must go."   -John Muir
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:57:36 -0500
>>>> From: Steve McAllister <brooklynkayak at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cheap synthetic sleeping bag
>>>> To: Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> 	<e38b9fd81001291657k3f456b4cof87354c7e95c7978 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't trust the temp. rating and I'll bet it weighs more than
>>>> they
>>>> claim.
>>>>
>>>> stevie
>>>>
>>>> ############
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Austin Williams
>>>> <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it was last week that someone was talking about synthetic
>>>>> bags. ?I
>>>>> found a 15 degree (F) synthetic sleeping bag that weighs under 3
>>>>> lbs and
>>>>> costs under $80. ?It's the cheapest I've ever seen:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> <http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=plyohi-20&o=1&p=8&l=as1&asins=B000RUJK0Y&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr
>>>> Here's
>>>>> the
>>>>
>>> link<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RUJK0Y?ie=UTF8&tag=plyohi-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B000RUJK0Y
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Campmor also carries it, just slightly more expensive. ?
>>>>> Hard to
>>>> beat
>>>>> that without switching to down.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Austin Williams
>>>>> PlanYourHike.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "The mountains are calling and I must go." ? -John Muir
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> If you look good and dress well, you don't need a purpose in life.
>>>>              -- Robert Pante, fashion consultant
>>>>
>>>>
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