[pct-l] Parking

Fri Jan 8 21:15:24 CST 2010

Going to Death Valley in February Is there  parking at the Trail Head on
the Tahatchapi pass want to get a look at the ridge line going Northeast
along the PCT
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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re: closure (dsaufley)
>    2. Re: Why I do it (was do gooders)
>       (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
>    3. Re: Ressuply points in Oregon/Washington (Austin Williams)
>    4. Re: another newbie question--early start (Austin Williams)
>    5. (no subject) (Lee Montgomery)
>    6. Granite Gear Vapor Trail (Bradley Issler)
>    7. Fragile Flowers......my @$$ (Andrea Dinsmore)
>    8. Re: (no subject) (will.hiltz at gmail.com)
>    9. Re: Why I do it (was do gooders) (AsABat)
>   10. Re: desert camping (Eric Lee)
>   11. Re: Fragile Flowers......my @$$ (Ron)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:12:21 -0800
> From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] closure
> To: <canoeman at qnet.com>,	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> The Burkhart Trail is also closed (has been for some time) between Hwy
> 2/PCT
> and Devil's Punchbowl. I agree that would be ideal, but at least under the
> present closure, hikers will not be able to use the Burkhart Trail.  There
> are several other routes down from the closure, but they still entail a 45
> mile road walk unless some other solution is found.
>
> It will be interesting to see what is proposed in February.
>
> L-Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of canoeman at qnet.com
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:15 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] closure
>
> there are several options.
> I am working with the PCT and the forest service to lay a path.
> There will be meetings in February.
> But if the west portion of the san gabriels is still closed, the exit will
> likely be at the devils punch bowl, via the burkhart trail, then hiking
> along
> horse trails through juniper hills, past littlerock dam to MT Emma trail
> to
> Aliso canyon to auga dulce via soledad canyon.
> The community of Juniper hills (at the punch bowl) is gearing up to
> provide
> trail angel help, with the possibility of opening the community hall to
> pct
> thru hikers.
> supplying water, shuttles etc, and setting up a trail to pass through
> private
> property. But this is all up in the air still, until the PCTA and the
> forest
> service decide what they are going to do. They have a lot of work and
> planning
> to do to do.
>
> he said
>
> I see there's a closure by agua dulce--how do thru hikers deal with that?
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:14:58 -0800
> From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
> 	<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Why I do it (was do gooders)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> I think that maybe the way you phrased it hurt some feelings.
>
> I, too, was annoyed by the water caches and thought they sent a
> message that people didn't think we could do this trail without help.
> They cropped up everywhere and made the trail very unsightly. It
> looked like trash and ruined the sense of being in the wilderness.
> But I decided that it didn't make my hike any better to get upset
> about it. I felt good about my ability to manage my water whether
> someone left a cache or not. So little of the trail's water was
> "natural" water. Too much of it came from faucets and cattle troughs.
> After a while, it kind of seemed like a false division between water
> in a bottle vs water from a faucet or trough.
>
> Full disclosure: I did take water from caches three times, mostly out
> of anger from suffering in the heat. The PCT just seemed so
> inappropriately routed sometimes. I think back now and laugh at
> myself for complaining so much.
>
> Diane
>
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 7:26 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> From: Bob Vance <hikerbob62 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Why I do it (was do gooders)
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <443080.56064.qm at web114014.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>  She wanted to respond to
>> the whole "fragile flowers" and "do-gooders" topic that was up
>> recently.
>>
>> let me make things clear.i never said i had a problem with people
>> in town opening up their homes. i never said i had a problem with
>> people offering rides to and from trailheads.these are services im
>> free to accept or decline as i see fit.what i said is, the only
>> "trail angeling" problem i had is with water caches.i believe the
>> only reason they exist is to make it easyer, if there is another
>> reason id love to hear it.how does this affect me?part of the
>> allure of the p.c.t. is the challenge,i like the chess game of how
>> to make it from water hole a to water hole b. now yes ,i can
>> always walk on past,but in the back of my mind,i know their
>> there.this is very different from people offering services in
>> town.i won`t back down from my previous comments. i think they are
>> there because the cachers believe that a lot of people can`t make
>> it without them.
>> note to the grammer nazi(you know who you are) yes im aware of of
>> my educational limatations,thanks for letting me know i will make a
>> note of it.
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:41:22 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ressuply points in Oregon/Washington
> To: Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> That is a high compliment!  Thank you.  :)
>
> -Austin
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net> wrote:
>
>> This is an incredible addition to the PCT virtual library. Well done,
>> and
>> greatly appreciated! I know I'll have lots of fun checking it out; and
>> with
>> my upcoming Oregon2010 sections, it will be used.
>> ~~^^^~^^~~^~~~
>> Hi,
>>
>> I spent a good deal of my winter vacation doing tons of research on
>> resupply
>> points along the pct.  I've come up with a list of 98 resupply points.
>> You
>> can check them out if you want.  Currently you can do so via Google
>> Earth:
>> http://www.planyourhike.com/maps/ge/planyourhike-pct.kmz
>>  It includes all the adresses, phone numbers, directions, links, etc.
>> I hope it helps.
>> -Austin
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:44:49 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] another newbie question--early start
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> This is a good question.  I've been wondering a lot about "off season"
> hiking on the PCT.
>
> -Austin
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:57:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Lee Montgomery <leemontgomery12 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <842058.82813.qm at web45108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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> Im planning on leaving campo Feb 20 and going thru to cabazon
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:24:12 -0800
> From: Bradley Issler <bradley.issler at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Granite Gear Vapor Trail
> To: PCT-1 <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hey all,
> I still have a brand spankin' new Vapor Trail, size Large.  Who wants it?
> $100!  This is an awesome pack as most of you out there know.
>
> Thanks,
> Jukebox......Holler!
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:27:19 -0800
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fragile Flowers......my @$$
> To: pct back country <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> To whom it may concern............
>
> Fragile flowers............excuse me !!!!  We are trail angels at the
> 2,400
> mile marker of the PCT. We host 200-250 PCT hikers each year. Anyone who
> has
> made it up here (with or with out water cashes) is no fragile flower. Why
> cut the throat of other hikers just because you don't wish to take
> advantage
> of an extra water suppy during your hike. Just because it may be right for
> you doesn't mean the thousands of other hikers think it's right for them.
> You seem to be in the minority of being a purist.  HYOH.....just don't
> think
> others should or need to follow your lead. They are hiking their own
> hike. Most of them will probably finish the journey at their own pace.
> There
> is no correct way to hike the PCT. Who says you have to finish ??  Who
> says
> you shouldn't flip at some point ??  Who says you have to do the whole
> trail
> in one year. Who says you have to finish the trail at all. HYOH.....the
> satisfaction is only for you. Nobody else gives a rip.
>
> PCT MOM
> Trail Angel
> Skykomish, WA
>
> www.dinsmoreshikerhaven.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:44:57 +0000
> From: will.hiltz at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: "Lee Montgomery" <leemontgomery12 at yahoo.com>,
> 	pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net,	pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> I'm hoping to hike south to donna's from walker pass, starting on march 21
>
>
> Easy
> ------Original Message------
> From: Lee Montgomery
> Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
> Sent: Jan 8, 2010 3:57 PM
>
> Im planning on leaving campo Feb 20 and going thru to cabazon
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:03:14 -0800
> From: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Why I do it (was do gooders)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> If the PCT was constructed the way it was originally envisioned we
> wouldn't
> be having our annual debate about water caches. The trail was supposed to
> have more water sources available. Two areas that immediately come to mind
> are the San Felipe Hills and Hat Creek Rim. Both were to have wells
> drilled
> roughly half way along the dry stretch. Instead both locations now have
> water caches to mitigate the lack of the originally planned water source.
> AsABat
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes wrote:
>
>> So little of the trail's water was
>> "natural" water. Too much of it came from faucets and cattle troughs.
>> After a while, it kind of seemed like a false division between water
>> in a bottle vs water from a faucet or trough.
>>
>> Full disclosure: I did take water from caches three times, mostly out
>> of anger from suffering in the heat. The PCT just seemed so
>> inappropriately routed sometimes. I think back now and laugh at
>> myself for complaining so much.
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:38:44 -0800
> From: "Eric Lee" <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] desert camping
> To: "'Deep Desert Expeditions'" <mike at deepdesert.com>,
> 	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY124-DS791D08D46E95FF646988EBD700 at phx.gbl>
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> Mike wrote:
>>
> Any one know what kind of conditions I might encounter if I were to leave
> Campo around March 1?
>>
>
> You'll see highly variable weather in the lower stretches, anything from
> hot
> to really cold.  In the higher stretches you'll have snow and ice to
> contend
> with.  Some stretches (like Fuller Ridge on San Jacinto) may require
> technical equipment to navigate safely depending on the amount of snow and
> how icy it is.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:47:53 -0800
> From: "Ron" <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fragile Flowers......my @$$
> To: <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>,	"pct back country"
> 	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <CKECIHJDCLBACMBOPFKKGEJFCDAA.chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
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> Andrea,
>
> Couldn't have said it better.
>
> Burning Daylight
> '09
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]On Behalf Of Andrea Dinsmore
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:27 PM
> To: pct back country
> Subject: [pct-l] Fragile Flowers......my @$$
>
>
> To whom it may concern............
>
> Fragile flowers............excuse me !!!!  We are trail angels at the
> 2,400
> mile marker of the PCT. We host 200-250 PCT hikers each year. Anyone who
> has
> made it up here (with or with out water cashes) is no fragile flower. Why
> cut the throat of other hikers just because you don't wish to take
> advantage
> of an extra water suppy during your hike. Just because it may be right for
> you doesn't mean the thousands of other hikers think it's right for them.
> You seem to be in the minority of being a purist.  HYOH.....just don't
> think
> others should or need to follow your lead. They are hiking their own
> hike. Most of them will probably finish the journey at their own pace.
> There
> is no correct way to hike the PCT. Who says you have to finish ??  Who
> says
> you shouldn't flip at some point ??  Who says you have to do the whole
> trail
> in one year. Who says you have to finish the trail at all. HYOH.....the
> satisfaction is only for you. Nobody else gives a rip.
>
> PCT MOM
> Trail Angel
> Skykomish, WA
>
> www.dinsmoreshikerhaven.com
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