[pct-l] ethical down sleeping bag

[Dan Africk]

I see your point and its a good one, its best to keep politics and our
personal beliefs off this list. While I consider myself long-past my
"vegangelical" phase(we all go through it), I'm still a very
opinionated person(some would say obstinate...), and so I sympathize
with others who also want to share their opinions. I've learned that
you accomplish nothing by forcing your beliefs on others, but please
understand that people like me sometimes feel like we're surrounded by
a holocaust(and as a jew I take that term very seriously) and that we
should fight to stop it(the current treatment of animals) with every
fiber of our being, so it takes an immense amount of self control to
not share those opinions. I personally think that if human
civilization survives for a few more centuries, veganism will become
almost universal and mistreatment of animals will go the way of
slavery....ahh there I go again. I'm going to walk away from my
soapbox for now...



On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Jim Keener ( J J )
<pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com> wrote:
> Hey Dan,
> Thanks for getting back. I was surprised at Patti's comment. It seemed
> pretty inflammatory, at least part of it. "So u know I don't judge if people
> want to use the down that's their bizness...I just don't participate in the
> hate crimes." Seems self righteous and extreme. I think the response was for
> "hate crimes", not her politics or position. I think most people don't care
> about those, but rather than attack her comment, they razzed her. Sorry, but
> I think she set herself up for it. Again, not for her position, but her
> rhetoric - to people who like her. And I don't think the responders felt
> their beliefs threatened as much as being labeled. But more, I think it's
> the self-policing of an online group: go to an extreme, get a reaction.
> Someone new to the list might think all we do is fight. But I've noticed
> that that is much less the case now than four years ago. Of course this long
> winter isn't over.
> Walk well,
> Jim Keener ( J J )
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> On Feb 26, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Dan Africk wrote:
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> I'm assuming you're referring to my last comment. I don't know, I
> think it was kind of borderline. Perhaps it it would have been better
> to leave that out, but it just kind of bugged me that people seemed to
> be dismissing the original poster's concerns with jokes. The jokes
> themselves don't bother me, I don't give a crap about political
> correctness, but like I said it just seemed disrespectful to me. I
> Hope I didn't offend anyone too much.
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> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Jim Keener ( J J )
> <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com> wrote:
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> That's over the top, Dan. You don't usually do that.
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> On Feb 26, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Dan Africk wrote:
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> I know they're a great way to distract
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> yourself from this unpleasant topic that threatens to make you
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> question your beliefs, but they're also belittling to the seriousness
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> of people's ethical concerns.
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