[pct-l] 2011 Thru-Hikers

Tue Dec 14 18:35:08 CST 2010

Hello all,

My wife and I will be thru-hiking in 2011 and be conducting research through the University of Minnesota for my wife's Master's in Natural Resource Management.  I may or may not be doing research as a part of behavioral biology/evolutionary psychology in regards to thru-hiker behavior, yada yada yada.  Anyway...we were wondering if we could start a tentative list of 2011 thru-hikers so we could contact you all and see if you'd be interested in being research participants.  There will be more information to come, but if any of you could, please contact myself or Rachel via this email.  Our phone numbers are:
David Liechty: (612)501-8081
Rachel Liechty: (612)481-5604

Thanks, and feel free to contact us in whichever manner you choose.

Cheers,

David, Rachel & Hazel Liechty

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: cabin fever (Robert W. Freed)
   2. Re: cabin fever (Douglas P. Bouche)
   3. Re: cabin fever (Edward Anderson)
   4. Re: about potty trowels, (Mike Cunningham)
   5. Re: about potty trowels, (Austin Williams)
   6. Re: Worrying about your gear and clothing (CHUCK CHELIN)
   7. Re: about potty trowels, (Kevin Cook)
   8. Re: My Gear List - Need Some Experienced Thoughts
      (Jim & Jane Moody)
   9. Re: about potty trowels, (Bill Burge)
  10.  about potty trowels, (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
  11. Re: about potty trowels, (Paul Robison)
  12. Re: My Gear List - Need Some Experienced Thoughts (Scott Williams)
  13. Re: about potty trowels, (Scott Williams)
  14. Re: food strategy, (Paul Robison)
  15. Re: food strategy, (Halfmile)
  16. Hitch-hiking (Will Hathaway)
  17. Best Guide Book/Map strategies (Mark Nienstaedt)
  18.  My Gear List - Need Some Experienced Thoughts (Reinhold Metzger)
  19. Ultra Lite  JMT pack (Reinhold Metzger)
  20. SKYING THE SIERRA (Reinhold Metzger)
  21. For sale: unused squall sarptent for sale (Brick Robbins)
  22. Give the gift of Giardia! (Nathan Miller)
  23. all those 'extras' (Paul Robison)
  24. Re: food strategy, (Paul Robison)
  25. Re: Best Guide Book/Map strategies (Austin Williams)
  26. Re: food strategy, (Brick Robbins)
  27. Re: Best Guide Book/Map strategies (Ron Dye)
  28. Re: Best Guide Book/Map strategies (Austin Williams)
  29. Re: Fwd:  food strategy, (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
  30. The wind is no longer at Voyager?s back (Deems)
  31. Re: Fwd:  food strategy, (jamesfmiller at hotmail.com)
  32. Re: Fwd:  food strategy, (J M)
  33. first aboriginal surgeon plans 3200 km walk to every First
      Nation community in Quebec (Connie Davis)
  34.  My Gear List - sleeping pads (Robert W. Freed)
  35. Re: food strategy, (Edward Anderson)
  36.  Fwd: food strategy, (Snoqualmie Pass) (linsey)
  37.  food strategy, (Sean 'Miner' Nordeen)
  38. Re: Fwd: food strategy, (Snoqualmie Pass) (Paul Bodnar)
  39. Re: Fwd: food strategy, (Snoqualmie Pass)
      (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
  40. Halfmile's CA maps updated... (enyapjr at comcast.net)
  41. Closure mileages, hiker's oasis, ect (Sam Griffin)
  42.  Give the gift of Giardia! (Matthew Edwards)
  43. Re: Fwd: food strategy, (Snoqualmie Pass) (Scott Williams)
  44. Re: Thru hikers for 2011... start dates ? (Mike Schaeffer)
  45. Re: Thru hikers for 2011... start dates ? (Ron Dye)

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From:

Robert W. Freed <robert at engravingpros.com>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] cabin fever

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:08:53 -0800 (PST)

After my 2004 through hike I found it very hard to re adjust to non trail life. 
Sleeping out side, especially in bad weather, really seemed to help.
Robert 

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Douglas P. Bouche <dpbouche at earthlink.net>

To:

robert at engravingpros.com; pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] cabin fever

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:11:26 -0800

I know what you mean.  I still use my walking sticks to go out and get the
mail.  I won't tell you what I do out in the yard, but my water bill has
gone down.

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Subject: Re: [pct-l] cabin fever

After my 2004 through hike I found it very hard to re adjust to non trail
life. Sleeping out side, especially in bad weather, really seemed to help.
Robert 
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Subject:

Re: [pct-l] cabin fever

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:07:47 -0800 (PST)

Shepherd, You can still do long distance hiking in the winter. Over the 4-day 
weekend Christopher Kopp hiked S.California Section E. He had a great time.
MendoRider

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From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 8:53:41 AM
Subject: [pct-l] cabin fever

I want to go on the trail and its only December.  I have cabin fever. I can't 
stand it.  Ugh!

Shepherd
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Subject:

Re: [pct-l] about potty trowels,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:43:17 -0800 (PST)

I have found that a "snow stake" weighs about 1 oz & makes a mighty nice hole in 
the dirt & doubles as one of my tent stakes.

hm

--- On Sun, 12/12/10, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] about potty trowels,
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 5:52 PM

lots of talk going around about potty trowels, some of it not completely 
respectful.

My opinion,  i think we all need to keep the trail clean.  a trowel does a good 
job digging a hole,  as does a tent stake (but much more slowly).

the montbell handy scoop weighs under 2 ounces.  i'm ordering it, i'm useing an 
oldschool one currently.

wether you use a stick, a rock, a tent stake, or a dedicated trowel ...  the 
idea is to get plenty of dirt on top of all your poop.  4 inches or so on top of 

your poop.

personally, i carry the trowel because a tent stake just doesn't do if i get hit 

with a case of the squirts,  the trowel leaves a nice vertical wall and a nice 
square hole plenty deep to hide any evidence.

i have seen lots on the AT poop that has made it's way back to sirface by those 
shallow holes created by boots and sticks.  if you're going to use your boot, at 

least try and do a good job, and i think that's the problem,  some people are 
lazy about it.  i personally don't know how you could possibly get a deep enough 

hole with running shoes...  my holes would go up to my ankle, so obviously a 
boot won't do for me.  i do think we need to have enough depth to cover it and 
stomp on it so it wont find it's way back to surface.

respect to all,  but whatever you do,  keep the trail nice for next generation 
when there's 20,000 thru hikers and not 300.

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From:

Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>

To:

Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] about potty trowels,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:51:23 -0800

Nice suggestion!

-Austin

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I have found that a "snow stake" weighs about 1 oz & makes a mighty nice
> hole in the dirt & doubles as one of my tent stakes.
>
> hm
>
> --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] about potty trowels,
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 5:52 PM
>
>
> lots of talk going around about potty trowels, some of it not completely
> respectful.
>
> My opinion,  i think we all need to keep the trail clean.  a trowel does a
> good
> job digging a hole,  as does a tent stake (but much more slowly).
>
> the montbell handy scoop weighs under 2 ounces.  i'm ordering it, i'm
> useing an
> oldschool one currently.
>
> wether you use a stick, a rock, a tent stake, or a dedicated trowel ...
> the
> idea is to get plenty of dirt on top of all your poop.  4 inches or so on
> top of
> your poop.
>
> personally, i carry the trowel because a tent stake just doesn't do if i
> get hit
> with a case of the squirts,  the trowel leaves a nice vertical wall and a
> nice
> square hole plenty deep to hide any evidence.
>
> i have seen lots on the AT poop that has made it's way back to sirface by
> those
> shallow holes created by boots and sticks.  if you're going to use your
> boot, at
> least try and do a good job, and i think that's the problem,  some people
> are
> lazy about it.  i personally don't know how you could possibly get a deep
> enough
> hole with running shoes...  my holes would go up to my ankle, so obviously
> a
> boot won't do for me.  i do think we need to have enough depth to cover it
> and
> stomp on it so it wont find it's way back to surface.
>
> respect to all,  but whatever you do,  keep the trail nice for next
> generation
> when there's 20,000 thru hikers and not 300.
>
>
>
>
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From:

CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>

To:

AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>

Cc:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Worrying about your gear and clothing

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:52:08 -0800

Good afternoon, AsABat,

The jacket turned out to be a better deal than I expected.  When I got it
home I found a piece of chewing gum in the pocket.  It even had quite a bit
of flavor left.

Steel-Eye

Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965

http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye

http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:56 AM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:

> Steeleye if you paid $3 for that ugly  jacket you overpaid!
>
>
> AsABat
> PCT Water Reports SoCal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
> Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> "CHUCK CHELIN" <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
>
> >Good morning, all,
> >
> >I totally agree with Diane – well, almost totally.  I believe the
> >infatuation with gear evaporates well before Kennedy Meadows; for most
> >it
> >may be gone by Warner Springs.  With wear-and-tear and grubby personal
> >habits most hikers soon end up looking like flood victims anyway, and
> >I’ve
> >never heard anyone wearing a $200 Patagonia fleece poke fun at my $3
> >thrift-store equivalent.
> >
> >The objective is to hike, not become wrapped-around one’s own axle
> >worrying
> >about all the esoteric details.  It’ll all work out, just as she says.
> >
> >Steel-Eye
> >
> >Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965
> >
> >http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >
> >http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> >diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
> >
> >> To those worrying about what gear to get, what clothing to buy.
> >>
> >> First of all, with the gear, just get something and then don't worry
> >> too much about it. Pick the tent or whatever that does the most of
> >> what you want. You'll be fine, you won't die, nobody will laugh at
> >> your decision, and your decision isn't final anyway.
> >>
> >> The "fashion show" kind of ends after Kennedy Meadows, which really
> >> simplifies your life. After the Sierras nobody talks about gear
> >> anymore. It's just a tool by then. There may be disappointments about
> >> various things, but you really won't care about gear anymore.
> >Honestly.
> >>
> >> And as for choosing clothing for the temperature. The range really
> >> isn't that great. The human body is really quite adaptable, too. I'm
> >> a typical female who freezes in the office, wears a down jacket every
> >> day, even in summer, while living in Santa Barbara. But out on the
> >> trail, I was constantly moving. When I wasn't moving I was in my
> >> sleeping bag. I didn't need that many layers. I hiked in spring and
> >> summer so it never was all that terribly cold. Perhaps there were
> >> some mornings in the 20s and some mid-days in the 40s at the coldest
> >> and I think 103 was tops for the hottest. A small amount of clothing
> >> was capable of taking me through that range comfortably.
> >>
> >> When it was cold (and I did get cold a few times), I felt a little
> >> cold but that's all. You can endure more than you think you can. I
> >> wasn't dying, I was simply not perfectly comfortable. We really get
> >> spoiled, soft and weak in our culture. Fortunately decades of
> >> freezing in offices has taught me to endure being cold quite well.
> >>
> >> To deal with being a little cold, I just kept moving and stayed warm.
> >> When I stopped, I went to bed. I was never at risk.
> >>
> >> At one point I did get tired of being too cold and managed to solve
> >> the problem by purchasing a $3 crappy old shirt at a thrift store in
> >> Mammoth (in 2009 it was snowing or hailing every day brrr). The thing
> >> had runs in it, no brand name, the collar didn't work right, and it
> >> was an ugly shade of blue, but it felt warm and I moved on up the
> >> trail feeling like luxury. I crossed the Canadian border wearing that
> >> shirt.
> >>
> >> My point is, do the best you can with your gear but after that,
> >> remember it is only a tool. Tools are available in most towns. You
> >> can always get more tools, swap your tools for different ones. They
> >> don't have to have fancy brand names or even be all that high
> >> quality. Sometimes cheap stuff works as well or better.
> >>
> >> Diane
> >>
> >> On Dec 13, 2010, at 4:44 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hey Paul,
> >> >
> >> > I know I am bouncing a 9 day old post, but I just wanted to thank
> >> > you for
> >> > sharing this data.
> >> >
> >> > A constant struggle is knowing what kind of temps to expect and
> >> > thus what
> >> > cold weather gear to take - as that tends to be the heaviest items
> >> > in our
> >> > pack, outside of food/water - and while we can of course expect
> >> > different
> >> > temps from year to year, having a base-line from which to go on is
> >> > amazingly
> >> > helpful.
> >> >
> >> > So, thanks!
> >> > John
> >>
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From:

Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>

To:

Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>

Cc:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] about potty trowels,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:55:18 -0700

Do you have a link to the type you're talking about?
My orange plastic one is starting to break, so rather than buy another of
those, I'm looking for an alternative.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I have found that a "snow stake" weighs about 1 oz & makes a mighty nice
> hole in the dirt & doubles as one of my tent stakes.
>
> hm
>
> --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] about potty trowels,
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 5:52 PM
>
>
> lots of talk going around about potty trowels, some of it not completely
> respectful.
>
> My opinion,  i think we all need to keep the trail clean.  a trowel does a
> good
> job digging a hole,  as does a tent stake (but much more slowly).
>
> the montbell handy scoop weighs under 2 ounces.  i'm ordering it, i'm
> useing an
> oldschool one currently.
>
> wether you use a stick, a rock, a tent stake, or a dedicated trowel ...
> the
> idea is to get plenty of dirt on top of all your poop.  4 inches or so on
> top of
> your poop.
>
> personally, i carry the trowel because a tent stake just doesn't do if i
> get hit
> with a case of the squirts,  the trowel leaves a nice vertical wall and a
> nice
> square hole plenty deep to hide any evidence.
>
> i have seen lots on the AT poop that has made it's way back to sirface by
> those
> shallow holes created by boots and sticks.  if you're going to use your
> boot, at
> least try and do a good job, and i think that's the problem,  some people
> are
> lazy about it.  i personally don't know how you could possibly get a deep
> enough
> hole with running shoes...  my holes would go up to my ankle, so obviously
> a
> boot won't do for me.  i do think we need to have enough depth to cover it
> and
> stomp on it so it wont find it's way back to surface.
>
> respect to all,  but whatever you do,  keep the trail nice for next
> generation
> when there's 20,000 thru hikers and not 300.
>
>
>
>
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From:

Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>

To:

John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>

Cc:

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Subject:

Re: [pct-l] My Gear List - Need Some Experienced Thoughts

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:05:45 +0000 (UTC)

John, 

I have not looked at your total gear list spreadsheet, but I have read several 
responses.  Some people urged you to drop either the foam pad or the NeoAir.  
Here's a counter-argument.  

I carried both a NeoAir and a cheap closed cell foam pad on the PCT this year 
and would do the same again. 

My "pros" were: better prot ection against punctures of the NeoAir; more 
insulation in the Sierra, esp. when campin g on snow; softer sleeping surface 
(I'm old and need more cushioning);  the foam pad was strapped on the outside of 
the pack and was readily available as a sitting or napping pad during the day; 
the foam pad also served well as a place to lay out gear while packing and 
unpacking, keeping it dri er and cleaner; it was cheap and readily replaceable 
at a K-Mart or equivalent. 

Negatives were more weight, slightly more expense (less than $20); one 
more piece of gear to pack and unpack. 

If you can find a very light weight, cheap pad, you might try carrying both it 
and the NeoAir.  I was MUCH more comfortable day and night with two pads. 

Good luck, 

Mango 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Abela" <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com> 
To: "PCT L" <pct-l at backcountry.net> 
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:52:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] My Gear List - Need Some Experienced Thoughts 

Attached Message

From:

Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>

To:

PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] about potty trowels,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:34:07 -0800

Just make sure you don't have to go real bad when THAT stake is the one holding 
your tent together!  ;-)

http://www.backcountrygear.com/images/smcsnowstake.jpg

BillB

On Dec 13, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Kevin Cook wrote:

> Do you have a link to the type you're talking about?
> My orange plastic one is starting to break, so rather than buy another of
> those, I'm looking for an alternative.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
>> I have found that a "snow stake" weighs about 1 oz & makes a mighty nice
>> hole in the dirt & doubles as one of my tent stakes.
>> 
>> hm
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] about potty trowels,
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 5:52 PM
>> 
>> 
>> lots of talk going around about potty trowels, some of it not completely
>> respectful.
>> 
>> My opinion,  i think we all need to keep the trail clean.  a trowel does a
>> good
>> job digging a hole,  as does a tent stake (but much more slowly).
>> 
>> the montbell handy scoop weighs under 2 ounces.  i'm ordering it, i'm
>> useing an
>> oldschool one currently.
>> 
>> wether you use a stick, a rock, a tent stake, or a dedicated trowel ...
>> the
>> idea is to get plenty of dirt on top of all your poop.  4 inches or so on
>> top of
>> your poop.
>> 
>> personally, i carry the trowel because a tent stake just doesn't do if i
>> get hit
>> with a case of the squirts,  the trowel leaves a nice vertical wall and a
>> nice
>> square hole plenty deep to hide any evidence.
>> 
>> i have seen lots on the AT poop that has made it's way back to sirface by
>> those
>> shallow holes created by boots and sticks.  if you're going to use your
>> boot, at
>> least try and do a good job, and i think that's the problem,  some people
>> are
>> lazy about it.  i personally don't know how you could possibly get a deep
>> enough
>> hole with running shoes...  my holes would go up to my ankle, so obviously
>> a
>> boot won't do for me.  i do think we need to have enough depth to cover it
>> and
>> stomp on it so it wont find it's way back to surface.
>> 
>> respect to all,  but whatever you do,  keep the trail nice for next
>> generation
>> when there's 20,000 thru hikers and not 300.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From:

Sean 'Miner' Nordeen <sean at lifesadventures.net>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

[pct-l]  about potty trowels,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:38:20 -0800

I carried the metal Montbell Handy Scoop at 1.4 oz.  I found it more comfortable 
in my hand as I dug through concrete like ground as compared to the snow stake 
that I use to use (and never ended up using as a stake for my tarp).  Both are 
better then the orange shovel for digging in hard ground with rocks and roots.

http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=1124258

-Miner

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Check my 2009 PCT Journal out at http://www.pct2009.lifesadventures.net/Journal.php

Attached Message

From:

Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>

To:

Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>

Cc:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] about potty trowels,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:45:23 -0800 (PST)

well the cool kids use the montbell handyscoop : )

http://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=1124258

1.4 ounces,  nice round end for eat cereal as well !

~Paul

________________________________
From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
To: Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 3:55:18 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] about potty trowels,

Do you have a link to the type you're talking about?
My orange plastic one is starting to break, so rather than buy another of those, 

I'm looking for an alternative.

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com> wrote:

I have found that a "snow stake" weighs about 1 oz & makes a mighty nice hole in 

the dirt & doubles as one of my tent stakes.
> 
>hm
>
>--- On Sun, 12/12/10, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] about potty trowels,
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 5:52 PM
>
>
>
>lots of talk going around about potty trowels, some of it not completely
>respectful.
>
>My opinion,  i think we all need to keep the trail clean.  a trowel does a good
>job digging a hole,  as does a tent stake (but much more slowly).
>
>the montbell handy scoop weighs under 2 ounces.  i'm ordering it, i'm useing an
>oldschool one currently.
>
>wether you use a stick, a rock, a tent stake, or a dedicated trowel ...  the
>idea is to get plenty of dirt on top of all your poop.  4 inches or so on top 
of
>your poop.
>
>personally, i carry the trowel because a tent stake just doesn't do if i get 
hit
>with a case of the squirts,  the trowel leaves a nice vertical wall and a nice
>square hole plenty deep to hide any evidence.
>
>i have seen lots on the AT poop that has made it's way back to sirface by those
>shallow holes created by boots and sticks.  if you're going to use your boot, 
at
>least try and do a good job, and i think that's the problem,  some people are
>lazy about it.  i personally don't know how you could possibly get a deep 
enough
>hole with running shoes...  my holes would go up to my ankle, so obviously a
>boot won't do for me.  i do think we need to have enough depth to cover it and
>stomp on it so it wont find it's way back to surface.
>
>respect to all,  but whatever you do,  keep the trail nice for next generation
>when there's 20,000 thru hikers and not 300.
>
>
>
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"The indoor life is the next best thing to premature burial." Edward Abbey

Attached Message

From:

Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>

To:

Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>

Cc:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] My Gear List - Need Some Experienced Thoughts

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:54:57 -0800

To emphasize one important point about your pad Mango, being a cheapo Kmart
pad it was much lighter than any closed cel foam pad I'd ever seen.  It was
mostly air, and thus, as a second pad worked well for very little weight.
And for sleeping on snow, you had the ticket.  I'm planning on getting one
myself as you used it often to sit and lay on during the day, which I didn't
dare do with my neo.  But to carry a traditional closed cel foam pad and a
neo would be too much extra weight in my opinion.  You had the perfect
combo.  That was a piece of gear I never would have thought to be as useful
as it was.

Shroomer

Attached Message

From:

Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>

To:

Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>

Cc:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] about potty trowels,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:01:12 -0800

Some of us are hopelessly low tech.  When I've really got to go, I just claw
with my finger nails.  Keeps 'em nice and trimmed.  Motor did the same
thing, but growled like a cat if she was really in trouble.

Oh for the life of the trail.

Shroomer

Attached Message

From:

Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>

To:

CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>

Cc:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] food strategy,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:03:14 -0800 (PST)

my Wife Echo wrote this up,  i know very little about computers.  she wrote an 
Excel / Access program for her work that is over 4 million cells, so she's been 
doing it some ; )   like you said, spreadsheets... they spread.

i totally agree with what you've said,  as you add more and more info to it;  it 

gets harder and harder to use.  so we've focused on 'fat' 'fiber' and 'protein' 
with a master line for calories; and info for cost.

i think our real focus right now will be for ease of logistics... my sister 
mails our boxes for us, so making bags into 'day rations' makes it easy, if our 
pace is faster or slower we can call her and say 'hey, can you add 2 more day 
bags to our Wrightwood resupply' etc.  

sunday evening we made stoveless daybags and got 15 done @ 2700 calories per 
person.  i think this system affords a simplicity that was not found in trying 
to make custom boxes for each resupply point.

the downside is there is a little bit of waste,  say all of our bags include a 
dinner, but one night we get dinner out,  etc.  but in order to make the whole 
process uniformly easy not only for us prepping, but for my sister mailing, 
we'll deal with the few wasted meals.

Thanks for your insight,  keepin is as simple as possible to retain legibility.
~Paul

PS, has anyone used the company 'just tomatoes etc'  their products store really 

well if you suck&seal them in a vacuum bag,  and make wonderful little treats, 
at 95 calories an ounce for the berries and fruit !  obviously they're not 
walnuts or peanuts,  but it's good to have some taste variety.

________________________________
From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 11:05:11 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] food strategy,

Good morning, Paul,
You’ve created a good food selection tool.  It should be helpful during your 
hikes. 

I’m a confirmed left-brained planer so I created a very similar spreadsheet 
beginning about six years ago.  The primary objective was to develop a tool for 
use at home by my logistics manager, i.e. wife, when she prepared boxes for 
those segments where I didn’t buy locally.  As is often the case “scope creep” 
crept in and the spreadsheet – well, it spread.
When developing my Excel tool I entered the attributes of many, many food items, 

both cookable and ready-to-eat; off-the-shelf stuff as well as my own 
creations.  It started with basic considerations such as Calories/ounce and the 
balance of fat, protein and carbohydrates, but it quickly included an 
ever-expanding array of attributes such as vitamins, electrolytes, fiber, 
preservatives, etc. ad nauseam.
In spite of all my criteria, detail, and macro-driven sort routines, the thing 
was far too complicated.  It just couldn’t solve equations with so many 
variables; it couldn’t tell me anything useful about what eatables I should 
carry that I didn’t already intuitively know.
Regardless, the project wasn’t a waste:  I had to stop and think about what was 
important.  I learned a great deal about food constituents.  I learned – again – 

that simple an easy is better than difficult and complicated.
The ultimate result was a practical tool that friend-wife has used for the past 
four years.  When I report in from the trail I only need to tell her: 1) How 
many Calories per day I want, 2) how many days I project for the resupply 
segment, and, 3) where to send it.
She enters the target Calories/day and – by day – selects a balance of items 
that automatically sum to that target.  She bags those items by day, packs the 
whole in a USPS Priority Mail flat-rate box and sends it with pre-printed 
address labels.  I never know for sure exactly what a box will contain, but I 
like just about anything that’s lite in weight, and since she’s been feeding me 
for 45 years now she has it pretty well figured out.  It works well for us.
On the trail my body will tell me with a craving what I may be lacking in my 
diet.  When I get to a trail town I will probably load-up on essentials such as 
fresh fruits, vegetables, pizza and beer.  That will usually get me back in 
balance to undertake another segment eating dry, brown stuff.
Enjoy your planning,
“The problem is not shortage of data, but rather our inability to perceive the 
consequences of information we already possess.”  - Jay W. Forrester, Technology 

Review, Jan. 1971
Steel-Eye
Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965
http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:

as far as food strategies,  my wife has been making a spreadsheets with foods
>what they cost per calorie, calories per ounce, etc. etc. etc.
>this is an ongoing list,  and reflects our 2010 resupply boxes,  our 2011 boxes
>will be different but they aren't entered yet.  we're just getting to actually
>making them
>
>does anyone else use a spreadsheet like this to calculate nutrition?
>https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuUCgf1GlgCddGx6ZlhGeHNOeEtxWDFWOUV5MkQxalE&hl=en
>
>
>
>i know most people buy as they go,  this is questions for the people who send
>boxes.
>
>~Paul
>
>
>
>
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From:

Halfmile <list at lon.net>

To:

CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>

Cc:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] food strategy,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:37:57 -0800

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:05 AM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
> When I report in from the trail I only need to tell her:
> 1) How many Calories per day I want.....

Steel-Eye,
I'm interested knowing more about the calorie per day variable in your
resupply planning. Does it change much after the first few weeks few
weeks on the trail? Does it max out at some point?
-Halfmile

Attached Message

From:

Will Hathaway <whathaway81 at gmail.com>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

[pct-l] Hitch-hiking

Date:

Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:53:48 -0500

I hiked the AT a couple years back and hitch-hiking was part of the culture
and the norm for getting into towns more then a mile from the trail. It
seems most towns that hikers enter people are welcoming and know a
thru-hiker when they see one and don't mind giving them a lift. I am
wondering if the same is true out on the PCT because in looking at the info
so far there will be resupplies that would be much more enjoyable with a
good ol'hitch. Thoughts on the hitchin' situation? (ie places where hitchin
is easy and other places were don't even bother to use my energy to raise my
thumb, also suggested towns to hitch into would be helpful) Thanks

Attached Message

From:

Mark Nienstaedt <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

[pct-l] Best Guide Book/Map strategies

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:25:39 -0600

Hi Everybody,

     What is the best set of guidebooks/maps a person would want for a 2011
thru hike?  From whom (and when) can I get them?  I seem to deduce that
there is an official PCT Atlas set (three volumes?) and an alternative Erik
the Black guidebook set.
     I'm net to the PCT-L so forgive my ignorance.

Mark , aka "Buffalo Jump Sly!"

AT 02, JMT 03, LT 05, Camino Frances 07, Way of St. Olav (Norway) 09, Via de
la Plata 10

Attached Message

From:

Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net; Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>

Subject:

[pct-l]  My Gear List - Need Some Experienced Thoughts

Date:

Sun, 12 Dec 2010 05:49:43 -0800

Yes Diana, 
The evidence of your flat rock and stick excavations is evident all along the trail....''APP'' sticking out of a 2'' hole or dug up by the kritters trashing up the trail because Diana is to lazy to carry a potty trowel and bury her waste properly. 
I can always tell that Diana was here. 
My cut down and reshaped  plastic potty trowel weighs 1/2 oz. and will dig a 6'' hole in no time flat and leave no evidence that JMT Reinhold was here. 
I can just see you running around, on a cold rainy night, desperately looking for a flat rock or stick. 
What if you can't find a flat rock or stick in time?....Dhuuu... 
You really ought to practice ''leave no trace'' hiking. 

Say, while back somebody on the list was advocating leaving the  ''APP''  behind and using flat rocks to wipe......was that you? 

JMT Reinhold 
-------------------------------- 

Diana wrote: 
Ditch the shovel. Use a rock or stick to dig a hole. The earth is really soft just about everywhere along the trail so long as you go away from impacted areas. A nice flat rock with a sharp edge works better than any shovel and I swear they tend to appear just when you need them. 

Attached Message

From:

Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

[pct-l] Ultra Lite  JMT pack

Date:

Sun, 12 Dec 2010 06:54:14 -0800

All this talk about pack weight made me remember that I promised  ''giniajim''  that I would post my JMT fast pack base gear....so here it is in ounces. 

Home made pack.................................................11 
Home made tent with poles and stakes.............11 
Western Mountaineering sleeping bag..............16 
Sleeping pad.........................................................  3 
Foot print ground cloth........................................ ...4 
Trash bag rain coat.................................................2 
   (My tent serves as my heavy rain rain coat) 
Nylon windbreaker..................................................5 
USMC cold weather sweater...............................10 
Fleece jacket..........................................................13 
Fleece long pants....................................................5 
Fleece hat & gloves.................................................2 
Bandanna sweat rag..................................................1 
Alcohol cook set.......................................................4 
Alcohol fuel...............................................................6 
Navigation (map, compass, glasses,sun 
     glasses, pencil, note pad, etc.)..........................6 
Gerber knife (21/2'' blade)...................................1.5 
Water purification (iodine crystals).....................1.5 
Petzel head light and extra batteries.....................4 
Toilet articles (tooth brush & paste, APP and 
   potty trowel, chap stick, insect rep.,mosquito 
   net).........................................................................5 
Emergency kit (nylon court,duct tape, carpet 
   tread, curved needle)...........................................2 
First Aide Kit...........................................................2 

Total.........................................................................117 ounces 

If I would ever fast pack the JMT  again I would eliminate the windbreaker & the stove and bring the base weight down to 102 ounces. 

JMT Reinhold 
------------------------------------------------ 
giniajim wrote: 
Would you mind posting your base gear? I'm stuck at 10 lbs. :/)/ 

Attached Message

From:

Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>

To:

PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>

Subject:

[pct-l] SKYING THE SIERRA

Date:

Sun, 12 Dec 2010 06:57:57 -0800

Hi gang , 
I am off to sky the Sierra. 

Adios!!! 

JMT Reinhold 

Attached Message

From:

Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>

To:

PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>

Subject:

[pct-l] For sale: unused squall sarptent for sale

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:12:30 -0800

For sale

Older model Squall two man tarptent
Never been used.

With poles, but no stakes nor guy lines.

Make an offer

Same model as this one
http://www.tarptent.com/photogallery/brickrobbins_ct.jpg

I have two. I'm keeping the one I've been using.

Attached Message

From:

Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

[pct-l] Give the gift of Giardia!

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:12:33 -0800 (PST)

Give Giardia to all your hiker friends on your list this season!  Not only will 
they not be upset, they'll actually thank you.  What's that?  You don't believe 
me?  In that case, take a look at this:

http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/giardia.html

Told ya so....

-Nate the Trail Zombie

Attached Message

From:

Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

[pct-l] all those 'extras'

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:13:26 -0800 (PST)

i feel really discouraged about weight...
... i make my list, i weigh my gear, i say 'wow i'm down to X number of ounces'.

so this weekend my wife and i packed for our trip.  we said  'if we left 
tomorrow, what would be bring'...

...then it start growing... and growing... and sun screen... and a packtowel... 
and growing... and first aid... and toothpaste... and stove fuel...and the 
camera!

by the time it was all said and done our shared 22 lbs baseweight (11 per) was 
up to almost 30 lbs  (15 per/ person) !

then comes the ten liters of water (5 each)  the 12 lbs of food  (4 days 
worth)...

now we sit, staring at 53 pounds of stuff,  and i go 'oh, and i forgot this T 
shirt!'  

Does anyone else do this?   really makes me reconsider what weight to shoot for 
for training.
has anyone else done a shakedown trip, or at least a complete pack out, where 
you pile all your gear and say 'okay this is it,   no more gear, no more 
spending money' ...  if you have,  how far from your base weight were you, by 
the time you threw in sunblock, fuel, etc. etc.
?

~Paul

Attached Message

From:

Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>

To:

halfmile at pctmap.net

Cc:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] food strategy,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:19:26 -0800 (PST)

i'm much less experienced than steel-eye  (most of us are, i've no shame in it)

but when i started in 2010 i had majorly suppressed appetite, i had to force 
food down the first week.

our bags will be 2,000 calories per person per day the first week and ramp up to 

3200 by Kennedy meadows,  where it varies wildly based on what fits in the bear 
can; and our resupply locations aren't planned that far in the future.

biggest thing, regardless of how much you can eat for dinner is, a constant 
intake, ie. 100 calories an hour all day long.   remembering that carbohydrates 
give you energy and that fats consume oxygen and create heat in the digestive 
process,  so eating a glob of peanut butter for breakfast will make you winded 
faster,  and eating blueberries for dinner will not keep you warm at night.
when you eat,  or,  'what you eat when' is vitally important, but is easy to 
decide on trail, not really part of the planning process.
~Paul

________________________________
From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 5:37:57 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] food strategy,

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:05 AM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
> When I report in from the trail I only need to tell her:
> 1) How many Calories per day I want.....

Steel-Eye,
I'm interested knowing more about the calorie per day variable in your
resupply planning. Does it change much after the first few weeks few
weeks on the trail? Does it max out at some point?
-Halfmile
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From:

Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>

To:

Mark Nienstaedt <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Best Guide Book/Map strategies

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:21:49 -0800

Hi Mark,

I urge you to check out:
http://planyourhike.com/maps/index.html

for the pros and cons of the various guidebook/map options.

I recommend either HalfMile's Maps (printing your own), or the PCT Pocket
Maps.  Both are very thorough, very cheap (relatively speaking) and have
nice, high resolution.

Good luck!
-- 
Austin Williams

www.PlanYourHike.com
Info on PCT gear, resupply points, maps, movies, etc.

"Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway."
-John Wayne

Attached Message

From:

Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] food strategy,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:32:33 -0800

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com> wrote:

> our bags will be 2,000 calories per person per day the first week and ramp up 
to
> 3200 by Kennedy meadows,

In 1995, I carried 5000 kcal per day, and had lost 20lbs by the time I
got to Oregon.

My Hiker Hunger kicked in around KM, and I even ate some Corn Pasta.

I started at 175lbs, ended at 155lbs, and my wife told me I looked
like an concentration camp surviver when I returned.

I'm fighting to get down to 180 right now. Maybe a long hike will help.

Attached Message

From:

Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>

To:

'Austin Williams' <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>; 'Mark Nienstaedt' <mark.nienstaedt at gmail.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Best Guide Book/Map strategies

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:38:59 -0600

Recently someone posted about an outfit (possibly in Oregon) who was
printing Halfmile's maps two-sided on plasticized paper.  Does anyone know
or remember who this may be or how to contact them?

Halfmiles maps - "Don't leave home without them."

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Austin Williams
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 6:22 PM
To: Mark Nienstaedt; pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Best Guide Book/Map strategies

Hi Mark,

I urge you to check out:
http://planyourhike.com/maps/index.html

for the pros and cons of the various guidebook/map options.

I recommend either HalfMile's Maps (printing your own), or the PCT Pocket
Maps.  Both are very thorough, very cheap (relatively speaking) and have
nice, high resolution.

Good luck!
-- 
Austin Williams

www.PlanYourHike.com
Info on PCT gear, resupply points, maps, movies, etc.

"Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway."
-John Wayne
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Attached Message

From:

Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>

To:

Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>; pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Best Guide Book/Map strategies

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:09:38 -0800

that info is here:
http://planyourhike.com/maps/pyom.html

under "tips on printing"

-- 
Austin Williams

www.PlanYourHike.com
Info on PCT gear, resupply points, maps, movies, etc.

"Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway."
-John Wayne

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Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>

To:

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Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Fwd:  food strategy,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:17:44 -0800

Did you really mean Snoqualmie Pass? There was a great gas station market there with all kinds of groceries plus clothing and shoes (not hiking shoes) and books and just about anything and everything, including a post office. There was a grocery store, too, but I didn't go inside. Are both these gone? Because you could have resupplied from the gas station alone in a pinch. 

On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: 
> 
> As for buying as you go......out of 320 folks through here last 
> season.......we went through over 250 resupply boxes. Not all were > food but 
> the majority of them were. We have a little gas station, small deli > and a 
> cafe to resupply.....unless you hitch 20 miles west to a bigger > grocery 
> store. Snoqualmie Pass is a bust for resupply and Stehekin is a > bust for 
> resupply. Read pass journals to see how others did it. 
> 
> PCT MOM 

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Subject:

[pct-l] The wind is no longer at Voyager’s back

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:28:43 -0800

This 1977 thru-hiker is still on the trail, telling us incredible stories, racking up miles, and amazing us old trail timers again today! 
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/12/13/the-wind-is-no-longer-at-voyagers-back/  

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Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Fwd:  food strategy,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:55:24 -0800

The store is still open at Snoqualmie Pass.  Same with the gas station. 
Unless they washed away in the recent rain!!! 

-----Original message----- 
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com> 
To: pct-l at backcountry.net 
Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 01:17:44 GMT+00:00 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fwd:  food strategy, 

Did you really mean Snoqualmie Pass? There was a great gas station market there with all kinds of groceries plus clothing and shoes (not hiking shoes) and books and just about anything and everything, including a post office. There was a grocery store, too, but I didn't go inside. Are both these gone? Because you could have resupplied from the gas station alone in a pinch. 

On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: 
> 
> As for buying as you go......out of 320 folks through here last 
> season.......we went through over 250 resupply boxes. Not all were > food but 
> the majority of them were. We have a little gas station, small deli > and a 
> cafe to resupply.....unless you hitch 20 miles west to a bigger > grocery 
> store. Snoqualmie Pass is a bust for resupply and Stehekin is a > bust for 
> resupply. Read pass journals to see how others did it. 
> 
> PCT MOM 

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Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Fwd:  food strategy,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:56:39 -0800 (PST)

At Snoqualmie Pass the gas station/grocery is still there. It used to be called 
Bob's Summit Deli and Grocery. They also have a pretty large selection of deep 
fried foods. I used to teach at the Summit and would always get a nice greasy 
bag of jojo's for the ride home. 

www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com

________________________________
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 5:17:44 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fwd:  food strategy,

Did you really mean Snoqualmie Pass? There was a great gas station  
market there with all kinds of groceries plus clothing and shoes (not  
hiking shoes) and books and just about anything and everything,  
including a post office. There was a grocery store, too, but I didn't  
go inside. Are both these gone? Because you could have resupplied  
from the gas station alone in a pinch.

On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> As for buying as you go......out of 320 folks through here last
> season.......we went through over 250 resupply boxes. Not all were  
> food but
> the majority of them were. We have a little gas station, small deli  
> and a
> cafe to resupply.....unless you hitch 20 miles west to a bigger  
> grocery
> store. Snoqualmie Pass is a bust for resupply and Stehekin is a  
> bust for
> resupply. Read pass journals to see how others did it.
>
> PCT MOM

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Subject:

[pct-l] first aboriginal surgeon plans 3200 km walk to every FirstNation community in Quebec

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:30:57 -0800

Mission Control and I were listening to "The Current" on CBC radio this
morning and heard an amazing interview with Dr Stanley Vollant, the first
surgeon to come from a First Nation community in Canada (in the US you would
say "Native American.")  Part way through the interview he started talking
about his experience while on the Camino del Santiago in Spain.  He had
blisters that got infected and led to a hospitalisation and he got to
thinking about his pack weight and all the baggage he was carrying
around--literally and psychologically.  He was inspired to walk to every
aboriginal community in his home province to encourage the communities to
wellness, the use of traditional knowledge and more First Nations people to
enter medical fields.  He will be backpacking 3200 km over the next 6 years
to reach each one.

The interview is available at:
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2010/12/13/dr-stanley-vollant/

More about his walk:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/10/11/innu-meshkanu-trek-quebec.html(includes
a photo of him with what looks like a lot less baggage!)

http://www.nationnews.ca/index.php?option=com_zine&view=article&id=814:walking-for-everyones-wellness

His views on healing:
http://www.gazette.uottawa.ca/article/1358/

You can follow on Facebook, search for Innu Meshkenu.  And brush up on your
French!

Lookout
Hope, BC, Canada

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From:

Robert W. Freed <robert at engravingpros.com>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

[pct-l]  My Gear List - sleeping pads

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:42:51 -0800 (PST)

If found the thinlight 1/8" insulation pad from GossamerGear.com to be a great 
compliment to my air pad. At only two ounces it was a easy compromise. Not much 
padding, but it is perfect for protecting my air pad. Also, kept my feet warm 
when camping on frozen ground and a great nap pad for a mid day snooze. I have 
not used it for the last two years, just the neo air short. But I still have it 
around. Durability wise, despite stains and some frayed edges, after a few 
thousand trail miles it is still in fine shape.
Robert

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From:

Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>

To:

Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>

Cc:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] food strategy,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:15:34 -0800 (PST)

Hi Paul,
I really appreciate that you posted Echo's spread sheet. From it I have learned 
of several foods that I will be adding to my menu for my next year's PCT ride. I 

always purchase all of my food and the processed food for my horse prior to 
starting. This was my approach both in 2008 and 2009. For my 2011 PCT journey 
SOBO from Sierra City to Horseshoe meadows I will have packed seven 
resupply boxes and one large white bucket by about a week before leaving to 
drive north to S.City. Two of the boxes will have been sent via USPS - one to 
the Cedar Grove Visitor Center and the other to the Toulumne Meadows Post Office 

- the bucket will be sent to the Muir Trail Ranch. One box will hold what I will 

pack when I start from Sierra City. I will cache the other four boxes within 1/2 

mile of trail-heads that I will pass on my way north. I will camp at three of 
those. Because of the Bear Canister requirement I will start from S.City with 
three bear canisters, two for horse feed and one for my food. Then I will repack 

when I arrive at each of my planned resupply locations. Since I will be taking 
my time on this very beautiful 500 miles of the PCT, I plan to add fresh trout 
and wild plants that I am familiar with to my diet. 

Here are a few things that you might consider asking Echo to check out and 
possibly add to her spreadsheet:  Nature Valley Sweet and Salty Nut (delicious 
and 141.67 calories per ounce); walnuts (196 calories per ounce); Nido powdered 
whole milk; Nonni's Biscotti crunchy almond chocolate cookie ( 160 calories and 
sinfully addictive); Swiss Miss Dark Chocolate Sensation (150 calories).

Thanks again for posting Echo's spread sheet.

MendoRider

________________________________
From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 7:13:21 PM
Subject: [pct-l] food strategy,

as far as food strategies,  my wife has been making a spreadsheets with foods 
what they cost per calorie, calories per ounce, etc. etc. etc.
this is an ongoing list,  and reflects our 2010 resupply boxes,  our 2011 boxes 
will be different but they aren't entered yet.  we're just getting to actually 
making them

does anyone else use a spreadsheet like this to calculate nutrition?  
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuUCgf1GlgCddGx6ZlhGeHNOeEtxWDFWOUV5MkQxalE&hl=en

i know most people buy as they go,  this is questions for the people who send 
boxes.

~Paul

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Subject:

[pct-l]  Fwd: food strategy, (Snoqualmie Pass)

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:32:03 -0800 (PST)

Let me beg to differ on the quality of resupply at Snoqualmie Pass.  Although I 
realize the "food" there would suit many just fine, as someone who avoids 
trans-fats, white flour/rice/pasta and prefers to go wholesome  and vegetarian 
while hiking, I cannot imagine trying to subsist on resupplied food from this 
armpit of a stop. 

Did you really mean Snoqualmie Pass? There was a great gas station  
market there with all kinds of groceries plus clothing and shoes (not  
hiking shoes) and books and just about anything and everything,  
including a post office. There was a grocery store, too, but I didn't  
go inside. Are both these gone? Because you could have resupplied  
from the gas station alone in a pinch.

On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> As for buying as you go......out of 320 folks through here last
> season.......we went through over 250 resupply boxes. Not all were  
> food but
> the majority of them were. We have a little gas station, small deli  
> and a
> cafe to resupply.....unless you hitch 20 miles west to a bigger  
> grocery
> store. Snoqualmie Pass is a bust for resupply and Stehekin is a  
> bust for
> resupply. Read pass journals to see how others did it.
>
> PCT MOM

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From:

Sean 'Miner' Nordeen <sean at lifesadventures.net>

To:

pct-l at backcountry.net

Subject:

[pct-l]  food strategy,

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:32:33 -0800

I never counted calories so I don't know how much I ate.  If I thought I might 
need more calories, I added another daily snack to my bag.  I never ran out of 
food, never hiked hungry and always had 1/2 to 1.5 days too much coming into 
town (I could never get it right; even in the High Sierra).  After adding a 2nd 
daily candy bar in NorCal (ontop of all the cliff/granola bar snacks) and then 
adding large amounts of peanut butter to those candybars starting in Oregon, as 
I was paranoid I might not have enough fat to stay warm in Washington (a 
baseless worry on my part), I started gaining weight back and finished up only 
about 6 lbs down when I had wanted to lose another 10 lbs.

In any case, your body will tell you if you need more calories and you should 
listen to it.  To many hikers try to save weight by not carrying enough food and 
frequently running out before town.  I think that starvation feeling that allows 
some hikers to eat 2-3 meals in town at one sitting only kicks in when the body 
fat drops below a certain percentage.  I never experienced that hunger in town.  
Unfortunately. I never listened to my body when planning my resupplies.  I 
worked under the idea that the further north I went the more food I needed and 
slowly would add more snacks ito my diet as I hiked north (despite never 
runnning out of food mind you).  Even that slightly expanded appetite that I 
would normally have when I first got into town disappeared by Cascade Locks; 
that should have told me that I was consuming too many calories in Oregon and 
explains why I gained some of the earlier lost weight back.  

-Miner

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Check my 2009 PCT Journal out at http://www.pct2009.lifesadventures.net/Journal.php

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Paul Bodnar <paulbodnar at hotmail.com>

To:

pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>

Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Fwd: food strategy, (Snoqualmie Pass)

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 22:54:38 -0500

Snoqualmie has both a very limited grocery store and a Chevron with a well 
stocked convenience store and a small post office. There was also a restaurant 
with limited hours across the street from the Chevron and lodge.  The nearby 
Summit Lodge also had hiker rates.  The restaurant located in the lodge was 
closed in 2010 but was expected to reopen soon.  

Paul 

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From:

Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>

To:

linsey <mowoggirl at yahoo.com>

Cc:

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Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Fwd: food strategy, (Snoqualmie Pass)

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:08:05 -0800

Are you talking about the same place? They had fruit and dairy products and various packaged groceries. It wasn't an organic health food store or even a regular grocery store, but it was far from an armpit. 

I had thought I could be holier than holy as far as food was concerned, but after a while I learned that candy and cookies got me just as far as any other food. It shocked me. I'm 45 and I was able to do 30+ mile days even in northern Washington on a strict junk food diet. I don't recommend it, but it didn't kill me or even appear to slow me down. 

On Dec 13, 2010, at 7:32 PM, linsey wrote: 

> Let me beg to differ on the quality of resupply at Snoqualmie > Pass.  Although I realize the "food" there would suit many just > fine, as someone who avoids trans-fats, white flour/rice/pasta and > prefers to go wholesome  and vegetarian while hiking, I cannot > imagine trying to subsist on resupplied food from this armpit of a > stop. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Did you really mean Snoqualmie Pass? There was a great gas station 
> market there with all kinds of groceries plus clothing and shoes (not 
> hiking shoes) and books and just about anything and everything, 
> including a post office. There was a grocery store, too, but I didn't 
> go inside. Are both these gone? Because you could have resupplied 
> from the gas station alone in a pinch. 
> 
> On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote: 
>> 
>> As for buying as you go......out of 320 folks through here last 
>> season.......we went through over 250 resupply boxes. Not all were 
>> food but 
>> the majority of them were. We have a little gas station, small deli 
>> and a 
>> cafe to resupply.....unless you hitch 20 miles west to a bigger 
>> grocery 
>> store. Snoqualmie Pass is a bust for resupply and Stehekin is a 
>> bust for 
>> resupply. Read pass journals to see how others did it. 
>> 
>> PCT MOM 
> 
> 
> 

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Subject:

[pct-l] Halfmile's CA maps updated...

Date:

Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:48:00 +0000 (UTC)

FYI...  From Halfmile's website, <http://www.pctmap.net/index.html>...

The California maps and GPS data have now been updated for the 2011 hiking 
season. 
The updates include 293 additional points for campsites, water resources and 
other 
important hiker landmarks. Oregon will be updated by mid January, Washington by 
late January. 

Happy trails!!!
Jim (PITA)

Support the Pacific Crest Trail Association and its mission:
Protect, preserve, and promote the Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail...
Join, renew, or donate today: <http://www.pcta.org/>

"You may never know what results come of your action, but if you do nothing 
there will be no result." - Mahatma Gandhi

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To:

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Subject:

[pct-l] Closure mileages, hiker's oasis, ect

Date:

Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:47:00 -0500

Hello! Planning a 2011 thru-hike attempt and was wondering if anyone could
provide current trail closure mileages. This might be a stupid question, but
pcta.org's links were personally vague as I dont know the areas described.

Also (and this might be a stupidly obvious question too, but I wouldn't
know): does Bear's hiker oasis in the Terwilliger/Anza area still exist?

Thanks!

Sam

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To:

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Subject:

[pct-l]  Give the gift of Giardia!

Date:

Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:05:13 -0800

Ohh my old pal Giardia and 10,000 of his best friends!
I am not really into stuffed animals on my pack but these are pretty damn funny!
It would be hilarious to toss that into the gorp bag when offering to share with 
hiker buddies!
Thanks Nate!

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Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Fwd: food strategy, (Snoqualmie Pass)

Date:

Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:56:17 -0800

I ended up eating alot of junk on trail too Diane, and hiked along at a good
pace nonetheless.   I loved the healthy stuff when I could get it, but was
very happy with good ol' mac and cheese and peanut butter or cheese
crackers.  When we hit Snoqualamie pass this past summer, both stores were
open, but owned by the same person so there was very little difference
between the gas station deli and the little store in terms of content.  The
pancake house in the lodge was closed, but across the highway and a short
walk west, the restaurant at the ski resort was open, and was excellent.
Lunch and dinner were great, and so filling that I chose not to do their
breakfast buffet the next morning.  those who went said it was great too.
So not being hungry I went into the gas station early in the morning to see
what I could find for a light breakfast.  Well the guy who ran it was deep
frying the chicken for the daily fried food selection.  It was the most
delicious melt in your mouth chicken of the whole trip.  I went back for
seconds and thirds.  So much for the light breakfast.

Paul, I remember you having trouble eating enough early on in the deserts as
you describe.  My appetite was low at first, then began to pick up as I got
used to hiking day after day for many hours.  By the High Sierra I was
eating like a horse and still loosing weight, and several people I met were
on double rations because they were so hungry from the exertion over the
snow and the cold conditions.  My guess is that by the Sierra you will be
well accustomed to the life of never ending hiking, and you will probably
gain your appetite back with a vengeance, at which point you'll still be
able to use your well planned rations, by just adding a bit of junk for more
calories.  Never underestimate the allure of a snickers mid morning.

Shroomer

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Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... start dates ?

Date:

Tue, 14 Dec 2010 04:36:46 -0800 (PST)

I'll be starting early - April 8.

Mike Schaeffer
AT '78
PCT '11

--- On Sun, 12/12/10, James F. Miller <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: James F. Miller <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... start dates ?
To: banditsquirrel at hotmail.com, "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 11:00 AM

> From: banditsquirrel at hotmail.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:06:35 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... start dates ?
> 
> 
> This is Greg, my brother Wes and I will be starting our hike about a week 
before the kickoff
> 
> 
> 
> > PCT 2011:
> > 
> > 
> > Alexander asai (late april)
> > Colin and topsy Turvy (mid-late april)
> > Christa Wellman (late may)
> > Dale P (late may)
> > Dennis osbourne - Sunshine (april 22)
> > Gregory Wilson and his brother
> > Hansel and Gretel (Nick and Emily)
> > Holly Eglleston ( April)
> > James B (blue moon ? march)
> > Jen N? (late april)
> > jim and Dona (April 24 depends on snow)
> > Jonathon derecourt (jono) and his wife
> > Joshua pinedo ( JP) ? questionable??
> > Joyce L (mid-late April)
> > Karl Jorgenson, Jorgy
> > Kevin ( start 4:20 )
> > Kylie skidmore? (skids)
> > Lisa Freathy
> > Matthias Kodym/Austria (mid/late April)
> > Mike Schaffer
> > Neil P
> > Outpost and Echo (April 17)
> > Prizm and Goodness (mid may)
> > Ramblin' Rose (aja) and Emily? (mid april) 
> > Robert Henry
> > Ryan Hull (early ? mid april)
> > Scott G ; flip-flop (mid to late april)
> > Sarah howard (ko)
> > Steven dvsteven (flying tortoise) (mid april)
> > Toby Maxwell (may 8-12)
> > Whitnee Goode 
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Ron Dye <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>

To:

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Subject:

Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... start dates ?

Date:

Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:10:41 -0600

Well, it looks like I'll be starting April 17.  Ron "Burning Daylight" Dye

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Mike Schaeffer
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 6:37 AM
To: banditsquirrel at hotmail.com; pct-l; James F. Miller
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... start dates ?

I'll be starting early - April 8.

Mike Schaeffer
AT '78
PCT '11

--- On Sun, 12/12/10, James F. Miller <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: James F. Miller <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... start dates ?
To: banditsquirrel at hotmail.com, "pct-l" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 11:00 AM

> From: banditsquirrel at hotmail.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:06:35 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru hikers for 2011... start dates ?
> 
> 
> This is Greg, my brother Wes and I will be starting our hike about a week
before the kickoff
> 
> 
> 
> > PCT 2011:
> > 
> > 
> > Alexander asai (late april)
> > Colin and topsy Turvy (mid-late april)
> > Christa Wellman (late may)
> > Dale P (late may)
> > Dennis osbourne - Sunshine (april 22)
> > Gregory Wilson and his brother
> > Hansel and Gretel (Nick and Emily)
> > Holly Eglleston ( April)
> > James B (blue moon ? march)
> > Jen N? (late april)
> > jim and Dona (April 24 depends on snow)
> > Jonathon derecourt (jono) and his wife
> > Joshua pinedo ( JP) ? questionable??
> > Joyce L (mid-late April)
> > Karl Jorgenson, Jorgy
> > Kevin ( start 4:20 )
> > Kylie skidmore? (skids)
> > Lisa Freathy
> > Matthias Kodym/Austria (mid/late April)
> > Mike Schaffer
> > Neil P
> > Outpost and Echo (April 17)
> > Prizm and Goodness (mid may)
> > Ramblin' Rose (aja) and Emily? (mid april) 
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> > Steven dvsteven (flying tortoise) (mid april)
> > Toby Maxwell (may 8-12)
> > Whitnee Goode 
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