[pct-l] JMT permits

[Josh]

Bob,
Just to clarify, I wasn't saying Yosemite was OK when it comes to NOT having
a permit...matter of fact, for me, it seems like one of the EASIEST places
to get one cuz U can basically "camp-out" at the Wilderness Center's front
door & be 1st in line to get one of the few "on the spot...day-of" permits
they have available.
 
I guess in all my trips I've just been "lucky". lol  But 99% of the time I
get one anyways..once or twice I got one for the "Next day" but still left
the same day...breaking the rules, I know...but whatever.
 
Does anyone know what the actual "fine" for not having a permit is?  Anyone
on here ever had 1st-hand experience in this situation?
 
Josh
 

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From: Bob Bankhead [mailto:wandering_bob at comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 10:24 PM
To: Josh; 'Ann Marie'
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] JMT permits


I must disagree with you about rangers, Josh. Yosemite is by far the most
anal about regulations. In 4 trips through Tuolumne Meadows, I have never
encountered a ranger at any trailhead, but I have always been checked for
permit, bear can, and camping fee receipt at the TM backpackers' campground,
usually about dusk. I have also been checked for permit and bear can by a
ranger stationed along the JMT in Lyell Canyon. Each time it was one of the
armed NPS law enforcement rangers rather than the standard unarmed park
rangers. Despite having a ranger station at Little Yosemite Valley, we were
not visited at the campground or along the trail.
 
I also ran into two USFS rangers near Thousand Island Lake last summer. They
asked about, but did not want to see, my permit and bear can.
 
I am told by those I trust that there is a female ranger patrolling from
Reds Meadow south to (but not including) Tulley Hole each season.
Reportedly, this lady has historically exhibited an overtly aggressive and
nasty attitude toward hikers.
 
>From Reds Meadow to Cottonwood Pass I have not hiked, but also have not
heard of anyone being unduely hassled by rangers. I suspect that as long as
you don't camp where you're not supposed to, or draw attention to yourself
by being unruly, they'll pretty much leave you alone. I would expect to find
rangers along the most popular weekender and fishermen sections, like from
Reds Meadow north to Thousand Island Lake, from Reds south to at least Lake
Virginia, the Rae Lakes area, and of course Crabtree Meadow, Mt Whitney
summit, and Trail Pass.
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 

From: Josh <mailto:559josh at gmail.com>  
To: 'Ann Marie' <mailto:dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>  
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] JMT permits

2 things:
1) If U got to Yosemite the night b4 & are 1st in line @ the Wilderness
Office @ Yosemite Village, UR be 100% sure to get a permit.  So that's
really the way to go.
2) NO, there's no Ranger checking Permits @ the Trailheads or anything like
that...I've hiked for days and even weeks at a time and not seen a ranger at
all...another possible option, is to get a permit to stay in one of the HSC
btwn Happy Isles & Tuolumne and try to get one from there at opening.

I too would be interested in knowing what type of fine or punishment there
is for NOT having a permit.

One reminder, make sure U have an Approved Bear Canister with U because they
will NOT issue U a same day without one.

Josh




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