[pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 18, Issue 17
Matt
llipschutz at gmail.com
Fri Jun 5 00:53:19 CDT 2009
Censored has been found and is indeed in Lone Pine. I have not seen her
personally, but a number of other thrus and the manager of the Whitney
Portal hostel have seen her. All is well. There is a TOn of snow up here,
stay safe!
-Stove
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> 1. Re: Fw: SAR California (Mark Liechty)
> 2. Trail Guide and Data Book Recommendations for the JMT
> (Daniel Cohen)
> 3. John Muir Trail (Paul Magnanti)
> 4. Re: John Muir Trail (Eddy)
> 5. Re: Trail Guide and Data Book Recommendations for the JMT (AsABat)
> 6. Re: Getting from Fresno to Road's End (Jim McCrain)
> 7. Who pays for SAR (Amanda L Silvestri)
> 8. Anyone Seen Censored? (Bob Bankhead)
> 9. Anyone Seen Censored? - in Lone Pine (Postholer)
> 10. Re: Anyone Seen Censored? - in Lone Pine (AsABat)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:08:56 -0700
> From: Mark Liechty <mlaccs at mlaccs.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fw: SAR California
> To: Shutterbug steiner <shutterbugg313 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Shutterbug steiner wrote:
> > Every county in California has a mandate to have a SAR organization .....
> all of the counties that I know run theirs through the county Sheriff
> department.
> ###############
>
> Thanks for the lesson. I am learning but still not connecting the dots
> as this still turns out to be a payment from some magical source where
> there is no money.
>
> If I were the San Francisco County Sheriff and I were faced with the
> budget mess they have I would cut SAR and force the mandate to be funded.
>
> We are talking about a situation where unfunded mandates are coming to
> an end and there are no funds. Not $10,000 not $100 not $10. Give me
> the choice of letting the person who got lost in the woods die or
> letting the rapist of of Jail and I keep the rapist locked up.
>
> Same for the Sheriff of all of those small Northern CA Counties where
> they won't have money to fund life or death critical services for people
> they have known for years.
>
> Those are the choices. It is up to those of use who go to the woods to
> understand that the risk is going to be higher. Failing to do so could
> have vary bad consequences.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:57:38 -0700
> From: "Daniel Cohen" <dofdear at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trail Guide and Data Book Recommendations for the JMT
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I really like the Ben Go Data Book and the 3 volume guide book set for the
> PCT. Is there a similar data book for the JMT? What does the PCT-L
> members
> recommend as an on-trail resource for thru-hiking the JMT.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> dofdear aka Thumper
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:31:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] John Muir Trail
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Some overall basic info can be found here:
>
> http://www.pcta.org/about_trail/muir/over.asp
> http://johnmuirtrail.org/
>
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> ************************************************************
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> caught, a portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
> http://www.pmags.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:46:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Eddy <ewker at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] John Muir Trail
> To: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>, PCT MailingList
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> here is?another good site
>
> http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~rbell/JohnMuirTrail.html.gz
> ?Conquest: It is not the Mountain we conquer but Ourselves
> http://community.webshots.com/user/ewker
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>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 9:31:11 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] John Muir Trail
>
>
> Some overall basic info can be found here:
>
> http://www.pcta.org/about_trail/muir/over.asp
> http://johnmuirtrail.org/
>
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> ************************************************************
> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust
> caught, a portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:17:56 -0700
> From: "AsABat" <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Guide and Data Book Recommendations for the
> JMT
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> The classic guide is Starr's Guide to the JMT and High Sierra Region,
> last published in 1982. It was a great guide book in that it just said
> where the trail went. As to the scenery you would experience it yourself
> without anyone telling you if it was awe-inspiring or simply nice. It
> also didn't tell you that this spot had igneous gluteus rocks or at that
> spot you would find lots of mosquitoes on one day in July.
>
> Now that it is out of print, the most common guide is published by
> Wilderness Press, with Kathy Morey as one of the authors. It is a little
> more descriptive, but does include topo map segments and a one-page data
> sheet, or at least my 3rd edition does, not sure about the 4th edition
> published in 2007.
>
> AsABat
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:43:27 -0500
> From: "Jim McCrain" <jim at mccrain.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Getting from Fresno to Road's End
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> From: Denis Stanton
> Subject: Getting from Fresno to Road's End - [Bubbs Creek access to PCT ]
> >... I plan to return to the trail from
> >the Kings Canyon side, joining the PCT at Vidette Meadows via Bubbs
> >Creek. I'm catching Amtrak from San Francisco to Fresno and looking
> >for a way to get from Fresno to Road's End
> >
> >I have a very generous offer of transport from Grant Grove to Road's
> >End. The offer might also include pick up from Fresno, but that is
> >not guaranteed so in the spirit of being prepared I'm looking for
> >backup suggestions. It there a bus from Fresno to Grant Grove or
> >Kings Canyon? I haven't found one so I'm going to ask when I get to
> >Fresno. It's quite possible that there won't be anything. Has anyone
> >successfully hitched from Fresno to Grant Grove? I'm sure I'll get
> >there somehow, but helpful advice is welcome
>
> I don't know of any public transport from Fresno to Kings Canyon, but there
> IS a shuttle that runs from Visalia up to Sequoia, and then over to Kings.
> Contact Sequoia National Park and ask about the Visalia shuttle system.
> Visalia is about 30-40 miles south of Fresno. I am not sure, but Amtrak
> probably goes there as well. It is worth looking into.
> Good Luck!
> Cheers!
> Jim McCrain
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:46:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Who pays for SAR
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Here is a thought and a story.? What if someone other that SAR comes and
> gets you??
> ?
> A few years back, when I?knew a bit less than I do now, I did a very
> foolish thing.? On a whim, I changed my plans and decided to descend Black
> Mountain to Snow Creek.? I had camped out atop the mountain the night before
> and had originally planed to hike?down and back a short distance the
> following day.? Well, the moon was full and the altitude high and?I had
> trouble sleeping.??So I got up early, about 4AM to do my hike.? I reached my
> return point before dawn.?
> ?
> The early morning had been cool and?I was feeling good and wanted to get
> this section done somehow, even thought?I was not a through or even a
> section hiker at the time.? I was just adding day hikes together along the
> trail.? That summer I had been volunteering as a Wilderness Ranger and had
> elected to patrol some of this trail on Black mountain.? Well, as I said, it
> was still cool before dawn, so I decided that I could hike the whole thing
> and then hitch hike back when I was done.? So off?I went.
> ?
> Things were fine until around 10AM when the temp got to be over 100
> degrees.? I came to the spring, but having heard more about bad water than
> good and not having a filter with me, I decided not to drink any, I
> only?rinsed off and soaked my bandanna and tied it around my neck.? Big
> Mistake!
> ?
> Hours latter I was nearing the bottom that seemed to never come as those
> long switchbacks kept going back and forth forever.? I had been moving fast,
> trying to get down quickly, but was soon hoping from bolder to bolder trying
> to stay as cool as I could in the limited shade that thy provided.? I was
> out of water and I latter learned that it was 115 degrees!?
> ?
> The heat was like a club beating me down.? Every time I exposed myself to
> it, I felt like I barley made it to the next shadow.? I finely found a large
> rock slab that I could crawl under and try to cool down.? I had a bad head
> ache, I could no longer generate any spit.? I was dizzy and nauseous.?
> Thinking clearly was becoming difficult.? I had been out of water for a
> while by then.
> ?
> After spending some time in the shade, I was not feeling any better.? I
> tried to walk some more but the sun drove me back under the rock.? It hurt
> at that point to expose myself to the sun, even with a hat.? I was stuck.? I
> used my Forest Service radio and called for help.? All I wanted was another
> ranger to bring me some water and to give me a ride back up the mountain.
> ?
> A small airplane was dispatched to locate me.? I had a?compact disk?in my
> pack?that I used? as a signal mirror.? Even though?I was in radio contact
> with the plain, it took them a number of passes to spot me.? A ranger then
> appeared with water and Gatorade.? He told me to remain under the rock, in
> the shade.? I drank two bottles of worm Gatorade and a litter of water.
> ?
> The ranger had decided that?I was in no condition to walk out and had
> radioed for the Fire Department to assist.? When they arrived, they gave me
> more liquids, these were cold.? They also placed cold packs behind my knees
> and in my arm pits to help cool my blood.? Deciding that the trail was too
> narrow and long to carry me out, they called for a helicopter.
> ?
> The helicopter could not land, so it hovered with one skid on a boulder
> while the firemen lifted a stretcher (in which I had been strapped) up and
> into the helicopter that then took off and landed on the valley floor.? I
> was then transferred into a civilian ambulance and transported to the Palm
> Springs Hospital for IV solutions and several hours rest in the air
> conditioning and more liquids.? I was diagnosed with heat exhaustion and
> released at about 10PM that evening to a representative of the Forest
> Service who drove me to a motel in the town of Banning where I spent the
> night.? I got a ride to my car the next day.
> ?
> Okay, what I did was stupid and?I learned a lot from the experience.? But
> who pays for all that?? There was no charge for Forest Service Ranger, the
> Fire Department, the airplane or the helicopter.? But the ambulance and the
> hospital did bill me.? The ambulance was very quick about it and my health
> insurance paid them off right away.?
> ?
> The hospital was much slower.? By the time I got the bill, my insurance
> refused to pay it.? I was triangulated between the hospital who wanted
> several thousand dollars and my insurance who said too late and too bad.?
> The hospital harassed me for months.? Finely, my insurance got the hospital
> to leave me alone, but I was concerned there for a time that I was going to
> have to pay for a hospital visit that?I did not want to make in the first
> place (although I now admit that it was a good idea that I was treated
> there).
> ?
> So, if you are going to be stupid, like?I was, and go off half-cocked an
> unprepared to take care of yourself, be prepared to maybe have to pay some
> of the bills.? I was lucky and paid nothing in the end, but only because of
> my insurance.? If you don't have health insurance, or have a sizable
> deductible, you may have to pay out of pocket.?
> ?
> Better yet, be prepared, make a plan and stick to it.? Check the weather
> forecast.? Let others know where you are going and when you expect to arrive
> and by what route you will be traveling.? Have enough water, clothing?and
> the ten essentials.?
> ?
> The most impotent tool you have out there is between you ears.? Learn how
> to use it and use it often and well.
> ?
> Shepherd
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:13:19 -0700
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Anyone Seen Censored?
> To: "PCT List" <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
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> So, given all the bad weather in the Cottonwood Pass area, did Censored
> elect to get out at Horseshoe Meadows or to continue on north?
>
> Where is her next resupply point after Kennedy Meadows, and more
> importantly, are the access roads open to both Horseshoe Meadows and Onion
> Valley?
>
> Given the weather forecasts, she might be well advised to go down to Lone
> Pine or Independence (if she can get over Forrester Pass) and wait out the
> storms.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:45:33 -0700
> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Anyone Seen Censored? - in Lone Pine
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Censored's last SPOT location is in Lone Pine. I assume she didn't walk
> there. We'll have to wait for the details.
> http://postholer.com/sologirl
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:52:53 -0700
> From: "AsABat" <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anyone Seen Censored? - in Lone Pine
> To: "'Postholer'" <public at postholer.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Not at the hospital - that's a good sign!
>
>
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