[pct-l] Sierra snow volume

Fri Jun 5 10:35:44 CDT 2009

"There is a TOn of snow up here,
 stay safe!"

Told 'ya....  There's still lots in Desolation.

Mtnned

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt" <llipschutz at gmail.com>
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-l Digest, Vol 18, Issue 17

> Censored has been found and is indeed in Lone Pine.  I have not seen her
> personally, but a number of other thrus and the manager of the Whitney
> Portal hostel have seen her.  All is well.  There is a TOn of snow up 
> here,
> stay safe!
>
> -Stove
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:43 PM, <pct-l-request at backcountry.net> wrote:
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1. Re: Fw: SAR California (Mark Liechty)
>>   2. Trail Guide and Data Book Recommendations for the JMT
>>      (Daniel Cohen)
>>   3. John Muir Trail (Paul Magnanti)
>>   4. Re: John Muir Trail (Eddy)
>>   5. Re: Trail Guide and Data Book Recommendations for the JMT (AsABat)
>>   6. Re: Getting from Fresno to Road's End (Jim McCrain)
>>   7. Who pays for SAR (Amanda L Silvestri)
>>   8. Anyone Seen Censored? (Bob Bankhead)
>>   9.  Anyone Seen Censored? - in Lone Pine (Postholer)
>>  10. Re: Anyone Seen Censored? - in Lone Pine (AsABat)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:08:56 -0700
>> From: Mark Liechty <mlaccs at mlaccs.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fw: SAR California
>> To: Shutterbug steiner <shutterbugg313 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <4A287028.6070906 at mlaccs.com>
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>> Shutterbug steiner wrote:
>> > Every county in California has a mandate to have a SAR organization 
>> > .....
>> all of the counties that I know run theirs through the county Sheriff
>> department.
>> ###############
>>
>> Thanks for the lesson.  I am learning but still not connecting the dots
>> as this still turns out to be a payment from some magical source where
>> there is no money.
>>
>> If I were the San Francisco County Sheriff and I were faced with the
>> budget mess they have I would cut SAR and force the mandate to be funded.
>>
>> We are talking about a situation where unfunded mandates are coming to
>> an end and there are no funds.   Not $10,000 not $100 not $10.   Give me
>> the choice of letting the person who got lost in the woods die or
>> letting the rapist of of Jail and I keep the rapist locked up.
>>
>> Same for the Sheriff of all of those small Northern CA Counties where
>> they won't have money to fund life or death critical services for people
>> they have known for years.
>>
>> Those are the choices.   It is up to those of use who go to the woods to
>> understand that the risk is going to be higher.   Failing to do so could
>> have vary bad consequences.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:57:38 -0700
>> From: "Daniel Cohen" <dofdear at cox.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Trail Guide and Data Book Recommendations for the JMT
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID:
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>> I really like the Ben Go Data Book and the 3 volume guide book set for 
>> the
>> PCT.  Is there a similar data book for the JMT?  What does the PCT-L
>> members
>> recommend as an on-trail resource for thru-hiking the JMT.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> dofdear aka Thumper
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:31:11 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] John Muir Trail
>> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <680187.77133.qm at web35204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>>
>>
>> Some overall basic info can be found here:
>>
>> http://www.pcta.org/about_trail/muir/over.asp
>> http://johnmuirtrail.org/
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>  ************************************************************
>> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust
>> caught, a portion of the rainbow I have clutched
>> --Thoreau
>> http://www.pmags.com
>> http://www.redbubble.com/people/pmags/art
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:46:05 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Eddy <ewker at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] John Muir Trail
>> To: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>, PCT MailingList
>>        <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <376375.90641.qm at web53408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> here is?another good site
>>
>> http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~rbell/JohnMuirTrail.html.gz
>> ?Conquest: It is not the Mountain we conquer but Ourselves
>> http://community.webshots.com/user/ewker
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
>> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 9:31:11 PM
>> Subject: [pct-l] John Muir Trail
>>
>>
>> Some overall basic info can be found here:
>>
>> http://www.pcta.org/about_trail/muir/over.asp
>> http://johnmuirtrail.org/
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>> ************************************************************
>> The true harvest of my life is intangible.... a little stardust
>> caught, a portion of the rainbow I have clutched
>> --Thoreau
>> http://www.pmags.com
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:17:56 -0700
>> From: "AsABat" <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Guide and Data Book Recommendations for the
>>        JMT
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <28E83EE8D0684A72B2264E83D9F1EC01 at PC8>
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>>
>> The classic guide is Starr's Guide to the JMT and High Sierra Region,
>> last published in 1982. It was a great guide book in that it just said
>> where the trail went. As to the scenery you would experience it yourself
>> without anyone telling you if it was awe-inspiring or simply nice. It
>> also didn't tell you that this spot had igneous gluteus rocks or at that
>> spot you would find lots of mosquitoes on one day in July.
>>
>> Now that it is out of print, the most common guide is published by
>> Wilderness Press, with Kathy Morey as one of the authors. It is a little
>> more descriptive, but does include topo map segments and a one-page data
>> sheet, or at least my 3rd edition does, not sure about the 4th edition
>> published in 2007.
>>
>> AsABat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:43:27 -0500
>> From: "Jim McCrain" <jim at mccrain.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Getting from Fresno to Road's End
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <200906042243270272.026D7D46 at smtp.mccrain.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>>
>> From: Denis Stanton
>> Subject: Getting from Fresno to Road's End - [Bubbs Creek access to PCT ]
>> >... I plan to return to the trail from
>> >the Kings Canyon side, joining the PCT at Vidette Meadows via Bubbs
>> >Creek. I'm catching Amtrak from San Francisco to Fresno and looking
>> >for a way to get from Fresno to Road's End
>> >
>> >I have a very generous offer of transport from Grant Grove to Road's
>> >End. The offer might also include pick up from Fresno, but that is
>> >not guaranteed so in the spirit of being prepared I'm looking for
>> >backup suggestions. It there a bus from Fresno to Grant Grove or
>> >Kings Canyon? I haven't found one so I'm going to ask when I get to
>> >Fresno. It's quite possible that there won't be anything. Has anyone
>> >successfully hitched from Fresno to Grant Grove? I'm sure I'll get
>> >there somehow, but helpful advice is welcome
>>
>> I don't know of any public transport from Fresno to Kings Canyon, but 
>> there
>> IS a shuttle that runs from Visalia up to Sequoia, and then over to 
>> Kings.
>>  Contact Sequoia National Park and ask about the Visalia shuttle system.
>>  Visalia is about 30-40 miles south of Fresno.  I am not sure, but Amtrak
>> probably goes there as well.  It is worth  looking into.
>> Good Luck!
>> Cheers!
>> Jim McCrain
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:46:28 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Who pays for SAR
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <254352.51701.qm at web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Here is a thought and a story.? What if someone other that SAR comes and
>> gets you??
>> ?
>> A few years back, when I?knew a bit less than I do now, I did a very
>> foolish thing.? On a whim, I changed my plans and decided to descend 
>> Black
>> Mountain to Snow Creek.? I had camped out atop the mountain the night 
>> before
>> and had originally planed to hike?down and back a short distance the
>> following day.? Well, the moon was full and the altitude high and?I had
>> trouble sleeping.??So I got up early, about 4AM to do my hike.? I reached 
>> my
>> return point before dawn.?
>> ?
>> The early morning had been cool and?I was feeling good and wanted to get
>> this section done somehow, even thought?I was not a through or even a
>> section hiker at the time.? I was just adding day hikes together along 
>> the
>> trail.? That summer I had been volunteering as a Wilderness Ranger and 
>> had
>> elected to patrol some of this trail on Black mountain.? Well, as I said, 
>> it
>> was still cool before dawn, so I decided that I could hike the whole 
>> thing
>> and then hitch hike back when I was done.? So off?I went.
>> ?
>> Things were fine until around 10AM when the temp got to be over 100
>> degrees.? I came to the spring, but having heard more about bad water 
>> than
>> good and not having a filter with me, I decided not to drink any, I
>> only?rinsed off and soaked my bandanna and tied it around my neck.? Big
>> Mistake!
>> ?
>> Hours latter I was nearing the bottom that seemed to never come as those
>> long switchbacks kept going back and forth forever.? I had been moving 
>> fast,
>> trying to get down quickly, but was soon hoping from bolder to bolder 
>> trying
>> to stay as cool as I could in the limited shade that thy provided.? I was
>> out of water and I latter learned that it was 115 degrees!?
>> ?
>> The heat was like a club beating me down.? Every time I exposed myself to
>> it, I felt like I barley made it to the next shadow.? I finely found a 
>> large
>> rock slab that I could crawl under and try to cool down.? I had a bad 
>> head
>> ache, I could no longer generate any spit.? I was dizzy and nauseous.?
>> Thinking clearly was becoming difficult.? I had been out of water for a
>> while by then.
>> ?
>> After spending some time in the shade, I was not feeling any better.? I
>> tried to walk some more but the sun drove me back under the rock.? It 
>> hurt
>> at that point to expose myself to the sun, even with a hat.? I was 
>> stuck.? I
>> used my Forest Service radio and called for help.? All I wanted was 
>> another
>> ranger to bring me some water and to give me a ride back up the mountain.
>> ?
>> A small airplane was dispatched to locate me.? I had a?compact disk?in my
>> pack?that I used? as a signal mirror.? Even though?I was in radio contact
>> with the plain, it took them a number of passes to spot me.? A ranger 
>> then
>> appeared with water and Gatorade.? He told me to remain under the rock, 
>> in
>> the shade.? I drank two bottles of worm Gatorade and a litter of water.
>> ?
>> The ranger had decided that?I was in no condition to walk out and had
>> radioed for the Fire Department to assist.? When they arrived, they gave 
>> me
>> more liquids, these were cold.? They also placed cold packs behind my 
>> knees
>> and in my arm pits to help cool my blood.? Deciding that the trail was 
>> too
>> narrow and long to carry me out, they called for a helicopter.
>> ?
>> The helicopter could not land, so it hovered with one skid on a boulder
>> while the firemen lifted a stretcher (in which I had been strapped) up 
>> and
>> into the helicopter that then took off and landed on the valley floor.? I
>> was then transferred into a civilian ambulance and transported to the 
>> Palm
>> Springs Hospital for IV solutions and several hours rest in the air
>> conditioning and more liquids.? I was diagnosed with heat exhaustion and
>> released at about 10PM that evening to a representative of the Forest
>> Service who drove me to a motel in the town of Banning where I spent the
>> night.? I got a ride to my car the next day.
>> ?
>> Okay, what I did was stupid and?I learned a lot from the experience.? But
>> who pays for all that?? There was no charge for Forest Service Ranger, 
>> the
>> Fire Department, the airplane or the helicopter.? But the ambulance and 
>> the
>> hospital did bill me.? The ambulance was very quick about it and my 
>> health
>> insurance paid them off right away.?
>> ?
>> The hospital was much slower.? By the time I got the bill, my insurance
>> refused to pay it.? I was triangulated between the hospital who wanted
>> several thousand dollars and my insurance who said too late and too bad.?
>> The hospital harassed me for months.? Finely, my insurance got the 
>> hospital
>> to leave me alone, but I was concerned there for a time that I was going 
>> to
>> have to pay for a hospital visit that?I did not want to make in the first
>> place (although I now admit that it was a good idea that I was treated
>> there).
>> ?
>> So, if you are going to be stupid, like?I was, and go off half-cocked an
>> unprepared to take care of yourself, be prepared to maybe have to pay 
>> some
>> of the bills.? I was lucky and paid nothing in the end, but only because 
>> of
>> my insurance.? If you don't have health insurance, or have a sizable
>> deductible, you may have to pay out of pocket.?
>> ?
>> Better yet, be prepared, make a plan and stick to it.? Check the weather
>> forecast.? Let others know where you are going and when you expect to 
>> arrive
>> and by what route you will be traveling.? Have enough water, clothing?and
>> the ten essentials.?
>> ?
>> The most impotent tool you have out there is between you ears.? Learn how
>> to use it and use it often and well.
>> ?
>> Shepherd
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:13:19 -0700
>> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Anyone Seen Censored?
>> To: "PCT List" <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <0D6AB50085AC4925A39702C92CC0D4E1 at BOB>
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>>
>> So, given all the bad weather in the Cottonwood Pass area, did Censored
>> elect to get out at Horseshoe Meadows or to continue on north?
>>
>> Where is her next resupply point after Kennedy Meadows, and more
>> importantly, are the access roads open to both Horseshoe Meadows and 
>> Onion
>> Valley?
>>
>> Given the weather forecasts, she might be well advised to go down to Lone
>> Pine or Independence (if she can get over Forrester Pass) and wait out 
>> the
>> storms.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:45:33 -0700
>> From: "Postholer" <public at postholer.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l]  Anyone Seen Censored? - in Lone Pine
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <04b901c9e598$81e889e0$46d3f604 at Snoopy>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>        reply-type=original
>>
>> Censored's last SPOT location is in Lone Pine. I assume she didn't walk
>> there. We'll have to wait for the details.
>> http://postholer.com/sologirl
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>> Trails : http://Postholer.Com <http://postholer.com/>
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>> Mobile : http://Postholer.Com/mobi <http://postholer.com/mobi>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:52:53 -0700
>> From: "AsABat" <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.Net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anyone Seen Censored? - in Lone Pine
>> To: "'Postholer'" <public at postholer.com>,       <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <A3CEF199D1AA4CBBB84783DFCEDC428D at PC8>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Not at the hospital - that's a good sign!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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