[pct-l] CORRECTION: Permits for the rest of us

[AsABat]

Wow, that's never happened to me. Maybe I've been more stealth, or maybe
times have changed recently. Probably with the increasing use it's
become an issue. Still, a "wilderness" permit for non-wilderness is an
interesting concept. As I said earlier, several times I've asked and
been told all I needed was a campfire permit.
 
AsABat
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Engraving Pros [mailto:mail at engravingpros.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:54 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net; 'JIM BANKS'; AsABat
Subject: RE: [pct-l] CORRECTION: Permits for the rest of us
 

Descanco Cleveland National Forest Ranger Station.
 
"If you wish to camp outside of the developed campgrounds in the
Descanco
Cleveland National Forest Ranger district you must obtain a free
Visitors
Wilderness Permit"
 
Recorded message 619-445-6235 press 2 for more information.
 
I only brought this up because it is my back yard and I have been busted
by
Rangers more than once for not having a permit. Busted being - once they
made me go to the nearest Ranger Station and obtain a permit and once 
the Ranger issued me a permit on the spot.
 
Robert

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
From: AsABat <AsABat at 4jeffrey.net>
Subject: RE: [pct-l] CORRECTION: Permits for the rest of us
To: mail at engravingpros.com, pct-l at backcountry.net, "'JIM BANKS'"
<jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 11:35 AM
What is the source of this? Boulder Oaks to Garnet Peak is not
wilderness, so why would you need a wilderness permit? 
 
I have asked several times about a permit to remote camp on the
Cleveland NF, and all they have ever issued me is a campfire permit. 
 
Yes, no remote camping in the Laguna Rec Area. The area is heavily used
by day users and has a number of developed sites and vacation homes. 
 
AsABat
 
> You are right. I spoke without looking at the map. You do need a
permit to
> camp
> in Cleveland National Forest between Boulder Oaks Campground and
Garnet
> Peak.
> So if you hike that 26 miles without camping, no permit required.
> Wilderness
> visitors permits are required to camp in this area. Information via
the
> Descanco
> Cleveland National Forest Ranger Station. Also, no remote camping is
> allowed in
> the Laguan Recreational Area. Which is basically the whole top of the
> mountain
> from mile 41 to mile 53 north bound. No wood or charcoal fires outside
of
> the
> man made campgrounds. The list of things you can't do goes on and
on...