[pct-l] sleep system

[Stephen]

Hiking out over Taboose Pass late last year Icametoa tent on a section along 
a steep drop that made it somewhat awkward to get around.  Wasn't even full 
dark yet.  I politely told the tent that if they moved up the trail it were 
to move up the trail a couple hundred yards there is beautiful soft sandy 
site.  The tent didn't answer so i figure it was that tired and I got a good 
laugh as Taboose beats people up who aren't in great shape or hauling heavy 
tents and stuff.   But yeah, use your better judgement, but the trail is an 
option.  I stay on the trail on high passes where there is no bivy sight if 
the wheather is nice.  Glenn Pass is a good example.  Not that anyone would 
want too stay up there, I do stuff like that when it is not too windy and 
freezing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
To: "Jeffrey Olson" <jolson at olc.edu>
Cc: <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleep system


>I never answered Jeff's question.
>
> I learned the hard way sleeping too deep in the valley, too close to the
> water and too out in the open down too low.  Waking up cold or wet with
> condensation.
>
> Now I butt up against something like trees and get up higher on cooler
> nights.
>
> What if that's the only place to camp?
> Sometimes it's hard to find a flat spot hiking out of  a bad spot.  In 
> cases
> where it's getting late and I need a place to camp and I'm on a hillside I
> wait for the trail to widen a bit and sleep right on the trail.  Use you 
> own
> judgement where the trail has heavy traffic.  I slept on trail in the A
> section in 2007 and Greenleaf decided to start hiking at 4am (with a very
> bright headlamp).  Scared both of us.  I am talking about cowboy camping
> here or a few times with a tarp.  This isn't an every night thing.  Just a
> last resort as it's getting dark.
>
> monty
>
>
> Lightweight Backpacking
> The fun goes up when the weight goes down
> -Warner Springs Monty
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeffrey Olson" <jolson at olc.edu>
> Cc: <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleep system
>
>
>> Hey Jesse:
>>
>> My experience is that you have to go out and just do it for a while to
>> be able to answer your questions.  I can tell you my 20 degree quilt
>> works for me in 10 degree weather - it does.  So???
>>
>> Being a cold sleeper doesn't mean much.  With experience you'll choose
>> to sleep places that are warmer than others - you learn!!!!
>>
>> Google "CATABATIC AIR"
>>
>> I'm always a bit bemused by discussions of sleeping gear.  If you're a
>> "cold" sleeper you can carry a 24 oz tent or 14 oz tarp you can cinch
>> down and a 30 degree bag/quilt  also around 20 oz that will get you
>> through anything you experience on the PCT.  You may have a night or two
>> where you wear your day clothes but you can't plan based on the worst
>> case scenario - you have to learn to trust your experience and the
>> wisdom that comes from it.
>>
>> Understanding what catabatic air is and how to plan for it is crucial.
>> I think Warner Springs Monty should chime in here because he's in the
>> sub-5lb range, and has to take into consideration environmental stuff to
>> survive that the rest of us have yet to consider....  You will never
>> have to think as hard about this as Monty has already thought.
>>
>> Monty???
>>
>> "Jeff, just Jeff" said in the same cadence as , "Bond, James Bond."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jesse Saks wrote:
>>> Hey everybody,
>>> I am planning on a thru of the pct North bound.
>>> I have a westernmountaineering apache mf 15 that is a 2000 model
>>> which is 2.6 on my scale.
>>> I would say that i am a slightly cold sleeper.
>>> so my question would it be worth the weight savings and still not
>>> suffer often to get a bag like the
>>> WM Summer Lite, considering these variables.
>>> I will carry a Big Agnes mummy insulated air core pad
>>> I could sleep in my wool thermal underwear and WM flight
>>> Plus my shelter is a Rainbow.
>>> I would think that i could make the sweet weight savings of the
>>> Summer Lite work with all that
>>> insulation.
>>> But then again I might be overlooking some variables that I would
>>> want to consider
>>> Any info would be appreciated
>>> thanks
>>> Fix-it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jesse Saks
>>> jessesaks72 at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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