[pct-l] sleep system

[montypct]

I never answered Jeff's question.

I learned the hard way sleeping too deep in the valley, too close to the 
water and too out in the open down too low.  Waking up cold or wet with 
condensation.

Now I butt up against something like trees and get up higher on cooler 
nights.

What if that's the only place to camp?
Sometimes it's hard to find a flat spot hiking out of  a bad spot.  In cases 
where it's getting late and I need a place to camp and I'm on a hillside I 
wait for the trail to widen a bit and sleep right on the trail.  Use you own 
judgement where the trail has heavy traffic.  I slept on trail in the A 
section in 2007 and Greenleaf decided to start hiking at 4am (with a very 
bright headlamp).  Scared both of us.  I am talking about cowboy camping 
here or a few times with a tarp.  This isn't an every night thing.  Just a 
last resort as it's getting dark.

monty


Lightweight Backpacking
The fun goes up when the weight goes down
-Warner Springs Monty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Olson" <jolson at olc.edu>
Cc: <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] sleep system


> Hey Jesse:
>
> My experience is that you have to go out and just do it for a while to
> be able to answer your questions.  I can tell you my 20 degree quilt
> works for me in 10 degree weather - it does.  So???
>
> Being a cold sleeper doesn't mean much.  With experience you'll choose
> to sleep places that are warmer than others - you learn!!!!
>
> Google "CATABATIC AIR"
>
> I'm always a bit bemused by discussions of sleeping gear.  If you're a
> "cold" sleeper you can carry a 24 oz tent or 14 oz tarp you can cinch
> down and a 30 degree bag/quilt  also around 20 oz that will get you
> through anything you experience on the PCT.  You may have a night or two
> where you wear your day clothes but you can't plan based on the worst
> case scenario - you have to learn to trust your experience and the
> wisdom that comes from it.
>
> Understanding what catabatic air is and how to plan for it is crucial.
> I think Warner Springs Monty should chime in here because he's in the
> sub-5lb range, and has to take into consideration environmental stuff to
> survive that the rest of us have yet to consider....  You will never
> have to think as hard about this as Monty has already thought.
>
> Monty???
>
> "Jeff, just Jeff" said in the same cadence as , "Bond, James Bond."
>
>
>
>
> Jesse Saks wrote:
>> Hey everybody,
>> I am planning on a thru of the pct North bound.
>> I have a westernmountaineering apache mf 15 that is a 2000 model
>> which is 2.6 on my scale.
>> I would say that i am a slightly cold sleeper.
>> so my question would it be worth the weight savings and still not
>> suffer often to get a bag like the
>> WM Summer Lite, considering these variables.
>> I will carry a Big Agnes mummy insulated air core pad
>> I could sleep in my wool thermal underwear and WM flight
>> Plus my shelter is a Rainbow.
>> I would think that i could make the sweet weight savings of the
>> Summer Lite work with all that
>> insulation.
>> But then again I might be overlooking some variables that I would
>> want to consider
>> Any info would be appreciated
>> thanks
>> Fix-it
>>
>>
>>
>> Jesse Saks
>> jessesaks72 at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
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