[pct-l] The KO

[Bill Chavez]

Hi,

I will be attending the KO. I will be hiking next year. Since I will be
driving in I am wondering what to bring(other than a sleeping bag and a
tent). Should I fill up my back seat with beer in addition to the two
hikers I am picking up in Idyllwild? I know nothing but I'd rather it not
be so obvious. Suggestions?


Bill



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>    1. Re: Water & Trail Report Big Bear Area (Andrea Dinsmore)
>    2. Kick Off needs Bar B Ques (montypct)
>    3. BRIAN  ROBINSON (Reinhold Metzger)
>    4. Re: Kickoff Campsite #22 (Reinhold Metzger)
>    5. BRIAN  ROBINSON.....link corection (Reinhold Metzger)
>    6. Re: Long Hair question... (Ellen Shopes)
>    7. Re: BRIAN  ROBINSON (Hiker97 at aol.com)
>    8. Re: Water & Trail Report Big Bear Are
>       (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
>    9. Re: (no subject) (Jim Matthews Jr.)
>   10. Re: Will we really do anything? (RJ Lewis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:01:48 -0700
> From: "Andrea Dinsmore" <zaqueltooocool at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water & Trail Report Big Bear Area
> To: "Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes" <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Sounds like a good description of Mad Monte !!!  You forgot the head full
> of
> big fuzzy hair......:)  It would be interesting to compare journals of
> 1975
> and 2008.
>
> PCT MOM
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2008, at 4:09 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>> >
>> > What did all the hikers do before there were the modern
>> > conveniences and
>> > mail drops ??
>> >
>> > PCT MOM
>> I was wondering that, too. I have a book from 1975 and was browsing
>> it to see if I could find out.
>>
>> It sounds like they went into town for supplies, even mail drops --
>> sometimes way far away compared to now because towns were smaller
>> then, stayed with friendly people along the way, and in the Sierras a
>> friend hiked in with supplies every now and then. They also carried
>> 50-60lb packs and it sounds like they ate mostly regular food, not
>> powdered this and energy-bar that. They averaged 10 miles per day,
>> but they carried heavy camera equipment. They also did only 1600
>> miles of what was then a 2400 mile trail.
>>
>> Pictures show them wearing denim shorts, cotton shirts, wool sweaters
>> and heavy boots. Not the high-tech stuff people wear now. And it sure
>> looked colder back then, too.
>>
>> Diane
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:55:25 -0700
> From: "montypct" <montypct at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Kick Off needs Bar B Ques
> To: "PCT-L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hi
> The Kick off still needs a few loaner Bar B Ques to serve the hungry 600
> in a timely manor.
> If you can bring a gas Bar B Que to the kick Off contact me at
> montytam at gmail.com.
>
>
> Warner Springs Monty
> Pacific Crest Trail 2650 Miles .....Again.....and Again
> Sign my Guestbook
> www.trailjournals.com/monty
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:32:08 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] BRIAN  ROBINSON
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, 	Brian Robinson
> 	<brian.robinson at sbcglobal.net>, Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <480DBEA8.3080601 at cox.net>
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> Brian amazes me.
> He has now won not only the ''Crown Jewel'' of backpacking by completing
> the ''Triple Crown'' in one calender year, but also the ''Crown Jewel''
> of endurance running by winning the Barkley 100 in the record time of
> 55 hrs, 42minutes.
> The steepness of the Barkley just blows me away......at 52,900 ft
> elevation gain over 100 miles it is more than twice as steep as the JMT
> with its 10 passes over 212 miles......Brutal!!!
> No wonder only 7 have crossed the finish line since its inception in 1986.
> Brian will not be with us at the KO.....he will be competing in the Big
> Sure Marathon....let's root for him.
>
> BTW....I heard rumors  Switchback is in serious training to make a run
> at the Barkley 100 record.
>
> For the latest updated info on Brian's competition in the Barkley the
> last 3 years go to
>                              http://flyingbrianrobinson.blogspot.com
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:50:21 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Kickoff Campsite #22
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Reinhold Metzger wrote:
>> Now,
>> If I can figure out how to relocate Switchback to another site, I will
>> have 3 hiker babes in my camp site.
>> Maybe I can fence off Switchback to AsABat, they are two off a kind,
>> you know, the kind that ate two many fruit cakes.
>> Then Switchback and AsABat can giggle and goof off all they want,
>> while I will be busy giggling with the hiker babes.
>>
>> JMT Reinhold
>>
>> -------------------------------
>>
>> Hiker97 wrote:
>>> By the way, FYI at campsite #22 will be LaZorra, LuLuLupie, Mr. &
>>> Mrs. Unsupported Reinhold, and Switchback the Trail Pirate along with
>>> Stinky the Skunk.  This was where I was last year too.
>>>
>>> Obliviously, this means this will be a center of much hiker
>>> partying.  Kickoff organizers and Female Leadership Terminators will
>>> be closely watching this area for infractions and campground
>>> violations.  Last year other campers noted the continual laughing and
>>> goofing off at this campsite.  Some vendors were chased around the
>>> campground and other harassment activities were organized from this
>>> campsite.  Unannounced inspections from Kickoff organizers were noted
>>> by the Trail Pirate last year.
>>> We expect to have just as much fun this year too.
>>>
>>> Respectfully, Switchback the Trail Pirate and Stinky the Skunk
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Get the MapQuest Toolbar
>>> <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>, Maps,
>>> Traffic, Directions & More!
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:21:17 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] BRIAN  ROBINSON.....link corection
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, 	Brian Robinson
> 	<brian.robinson at sbcglobal.net>, Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
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> The link is without a g as follows:
> http://flyinbrianrobinson.blogspot.com
>
> Reinhold Metzger wrote:
>> Brian amazes me.
>> He has now won not only the ''Crown Jewel'' of backpacking by
>> completing the ''Triple Crown'' in one calender year, but also the
>> ''Crown Jewel'' of endurance running by winning the Barkley 100 in the
>> record time of  55 hrs, 42minutes.
>> The steepness of the Barkley just blows me away......at 52,900 ft
>> elevation gain over 100 miles it is more than twice as steep as the
>> JMT with its 10 passes over 212 miles......Brutal!!!
>> No wonder only 7 have crossed the finish line since its inception in
>> 1986.
>> Brian will not be with us at the KO.....he will be competing in the
>> Big Sure Marathon....let's root for him.
>>
>> BTW....I heard rumors  Switchback is in serious training to make a run
>> at the Barkley 100 record.
>>
>> For the latest updated info on Brian's competition in the Barkley the
>> last 3 years go to
>> http://flyinbrianrobinson.blogspot.com
>>
>> JMT Reinhold
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:53:30 -0500
> From: "Ellen Shopes" <igellen at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Long Hair question...
> To: "Jessica Winters" <jessicawinters at mac.com>,
> 	<kbecksvoort at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <003f01c8a46f$7fcee610$0300a8c0 at ELLEN>
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>
> I carry a small comb, keep my hair tucked up in a bun with a small clip,
> and
> cover with my hat.  Keeps all those small hairs wout of the way,
> eliminates
> tangles, and gives me that 'glamour look'!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jessica Winters" <jessicawinters at mac.com>
> To: <kbecksvoort at gmail.com>
> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Long Hair question...
>
>
>>I have very long hair and have done 3 thru hikes with it!  I do cary
>> a very small, itty bitty brush with the handle broken off, it's so
>> light weight at an ounce.  You can get one probably in the travel
>> section in the drug store, or one of those little black combs maybe.
>> It's a necessity pack weight and I am very grateful I have it in town
>> which is pretty much the only time I use it, after that shower and
>> lots of conditioner.  So, no big deal, you have a brush in your
>> pack!  While hiking I usually just have it in a braid and I wear a
>> head band also to keep the whispys from tangling up too.
>> Wildflower
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2008, at 4:07 PM, katherine becksvoort wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Okay all, don't laugh. I'm flying to San Diego in six days to
>>> start, and have all my packing and such almost done, except for one
>>> thing.... Last time I thru hiked, I shaved my head.This time, I'm
>>> growing my hair for Locks Of Love...donating a minimum of 10 inches
>>> after my hike to help make wigs for cancer patients. (And will be a
>>> maid of honor in a wedding in october, so shaving my head wouldn't
>>> do this time anyway)Having longer hair this time (brushing my
>>> shoulders now)...you folks out there with long hair (men and
>>> women)...what do you do? Do you carry a brush? A comb? Braid it and
>>> let it be? I feel absolutely silly including a brush in my backpack
>>> weight.I'm imagining getting a shower in town and after washing it,
>>> not being able to brush it clean without a real brush. I know, once
>>> I'm hiking, that I'll just pull it back however and leave it be
>>> until my next shower...but what about when you absolutel HAVE to
>>> brush it to avoid the solo dreadlock? Any thoughts on this matter w
>>>  ould be appreciated....MoonPie
>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:55:46 EDT
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] BRIAN  ROBINSON
> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net, pct-l at backcountry.net,
> 	brian.robinson at sbcglobal.net
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> Unsupported Reinhold writes: BTW....I heard rumors  Switchback is in
> serious
> training to make a run at the Barkley 100 record.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: I already ran that backwards when no one was around,
> so
> it did not count.  I wanted to put a little spice into it and some more
> challenge.  I am thinking of hiking the Triple Crown in one calendar year
> backwards too ---- just for the fun of it and to have something to  do.
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:06:17 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water & Trail Report Big Bear Are
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Apr 21, 2008, at 8:55 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>>   It's all about strategy, and if what I'm hearing from this list
>> is any
>> indicator, thru hikers these days know less and less about strategy
>> and
>> planning, relying more on angels and their own sense of entitlement.
>>
>>   Maybe a year or two of NO caches would correct the attitude
>> issues the
>> trail community is seeing.
>>
>>   Iron Chef
>
> I wouldn't say I agree it's entitlement. I just think a lot of these
> young whippersnappers don't know what water looks like unless it
> comes in a plastic bottle.
>
> Anyway, I was happy to hear that the guide book can be trusted after
> all, and if one water source is dry, the 5 others after it may not
> be. So if I come upon a dry source I don't have to wail and gnash my
> teeth and pray for a plastic bottle littering the trail somewhere.
> Just move on to the next source.
>
> Diane
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:13:11 -0400
> From: "Jim Matthews Jr." <jimjr at keeganmortgage.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Anyone meet "Jester" out there yet? -Outtaherehr
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:08:19 -0500
> From: RJ Lewis <karmagurl at bektel.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Will we really do anything?
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>,
> 	pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <480DFF63.4000208 at bektel.com>
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>
> Indeed Diane!!
>   Getting used to one's packweight is indeed key here. I haul around a
> daypack that I increase the weight of bit by bit until I'm hauling
> around the same weight as my regular hiking pack. Seems to work for me.
> Around here in North Dakota, folks stare a bit, but eh, who cares? I
> patiently explain to them what I'm doing, and they get all interested in
> my goal next year! They find it utterly fascinating that I'm going to be
> making this longggg trek. We do have the North Trail up here, but it's
> still something "new' here so it will take awhile yet before folks are
> used to long distance hiking up in this neck of the woods (North Dakota).
>    I spent 2 years in the high, deep deserts of Arizona and Nevada, and
> learned alot, both on my own, and from others who had spent lifetimes
> there. I paid attention and listened to their words of wisdom. The
> desert isn't a scary place but it is a place where one cannot afford to
> make mistakes, especially where ones water supply is concerned.  One
> must respect ALL areas of the trail, as Mother Nature always wins. The
> only thing I can recall that really bothered me in the desert was the
> absolutely incredible glare, compared to the greener areas of other
> areas. Snow doesn't bother me in the least, coming from the northern
> plains states. I respect it, but I don't fear it.
>   Traveling as we do for work so often, I've had the opportunity to see
> much of the US, and I've managed to find beauty in every area I've seen,
> yes, including the deep deserts. Everything has a spectacular beauty of
> its own, you just have to learn to find it.  Open your minds and hearts-
> our world is a spectacular place, and so is our place within it.
>
> Peace!
> RJ
>
>
> Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes wrote:
>> I've been thinking about the recent topic regarding how people behave
>> on the trail. A few things have been sort of bothering me.
>>
>> One is this notion that hikers will "do anything" to lighten their
>> pack weight, including dumping excess weight on the trail.
>>
>> I have lightened my pack weight but I have done it prior to leaving
>> home. I've been hiking every other day or so on steep trails with my
>> full pack with food enough for a week and at least 2.5 liters of
>> water in order to really shake out my pack weight issues. My pack has
>> lightened some because I replaced some of the heavier items, but also
>> getting in shape has made my pack weight something that I can manage.
>> I don't foresee tossing anything anywhere except in my bounce box at
>> the next stop.
>>
>> Embarking on 2700 miles of hiking without training and evaluating
>> your load in advance isn't really "doing anything". It's a half-measure.
>>
>> Another thing bothering me is the toilet paper issue. Hundreds of
>> millions of people on this planet don't use it. Don't be afraid to
>> wash your bum with water and possibly a little soap. And ladies, you
>> don't need TP to go number one. Just bring a little squirt bottle and
>> hose off.
>>
>> The last thing bothering me is this fear of the desert. I imagine we
>> all fear what we're not used to. I fear the snow and raging rivers
>> myself. However, this dread of the "desert" section, as if it's an
>> ugly hell on earth one has to endure to get to the good stuff, kind
>> of baffles me. The desert is beautiful. I'm sure you'll see more
>> variety of life there than anywhere else.
>>
>> Most of this so-called "desert" people are dreading isn't desert at
>> all. Chaparral isn't desert. It's an elfin forest. I promise if you
>> go in to the desert -- even the real desert -- with an attitude of
>> gratitude you'll see the beauty.
>>
>> And if it is heat you're fearing, you can survive the heat. 100
>> degrees really isn't that bad when you are in good physical shape.
>>
>> I sometimes hike in hot, waterless conditions and the key (for me) is
>> not to stop too much -- especially not in the sun, to sip (not chug)
>> water all the time so I don't dehydrate (at least not too much),
>> protect myself from the sun, and take advantage of any breeze and any
>> shade. The reason I don't stop very much is because sometimes it
>> feels hotter to stop than to keep going if there's no breeze. But
>> when I do take a break it's somewhere breezy and shady if at all
>> possible.
>>
>> Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.
>>
>> Diane
>>
>>
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