[pct-l] contrail
RJ Lewis
karmagurl at bektel.com
Mon Apr 21 09:11:17 CDT 2008
Tent....sagging?? Sure sure..that's what they ALL
say.....giggle...oh...wait....It was 4/20 yesterday and I've been in my
DJ booth too long under these headphones...... :D
(good luck with your Contrail, I have a Double Rainbow and absolutely
LOVE it)
Peace!
DJ KarmaGurl aka RJ
mark v wrote:
> Moondog, i'll join you for the field trip to ask Henry
> about the Contrail. I had lousy luck getting mine set
> up well the first couple of nights. By the last night
> i had it a LOT better, but i'm still not so confident
> it would be ok in high winds etc. The one thing that
> did help me was to retension it as tight as possible
> RIGHT before going to sleep, and again if i woke up to
> pee at night. The humidity change at dusk makes it
> sag a lot. (the Contrail, i mean!)
>
>
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>> 1. question (Brian Nyquist)
>> 2. Private vs Public Journals (Sean Nordeen)
>> 3. New food (cvano at tmail.com)
>> 4. ** Water & Trail Report Big Bear Area (Bill
>> Batchelor)
>> 5. Re: ** Water & Trail Report Big Bear Area
>> (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
>> 6. Re: Adventure of the Trail/Road
>> (Hiker97 at aol.com)
>> 7. Re: ** Water & Trail Report Big Bear Area
>> (Bill Batchelor)
>> 8. tarptent contrail (David Stewart)
>> 9. Re: tarptent contrail (asabat at 4jeffrey.net)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:32:20 -0700
>> From: "Brian Nyquist" <brinyq at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] question
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
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>> i have been reading some of the trail journals and
>> was wondering how people
>> are able to post everyday? are they doing it with
>> their phones? is service
>> very reliable in southern california? forgive my
>> ignorance but it is
>> miffing me.
>> -brian
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:53:34 -0400
>> From: Sean Nordeen <sean at lifesadventures.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] Private vs Public Journals
>> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID:
>>
>>
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>> Since the blog entry posted at hikertown seemed to
>> be posted in response to an entry posted at
>> trailjournals, I think some people are not making
>> the distinction between a private and public journal
>> when they are writing.
>>
>> Yes, a journal to put down your thoughts and
>> emotions when going through a stressful situation is
>> a good thing. It can be great to look back at that
>> time years latter and remember all that you were
>> feeling at that time. However, such private
>> thoughts should be kept private. If they are ever
>> published, it is best done so after your death by
>> your relatives trying to cash in on your fame. :p
>>
>> A public journal is indeed just that, public. The
>> purpose and content of a public journal should be
>> different then what you would normally journal in
>> private about. You have to consider how what you
>> write will be understood by others. There are many
>> things that we think or judgements that we make that
>> if expressed out loud, can cuase offense or anger in
>> others. Some things are just better off not said in
>> public.
>>
>> I think many people would be well served if they
>> kept 2 journals. One online that has been censored
>> and a private one that has all the juicy details
>> (despite the howls off some armchair hikers wanted
>> to read it all and complain latter). ;)
>>
>> Just my thoughts on this matter.
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:17:27 -0700
>> From: cvano at tmail.com
>> Subject: [pct-l] New food
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID: <1208719050.29CDA390 at dh16.dngr.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
>> format="flowed"
>>
>> Found a new item at Food Pavilion today. This store
>> carries the Western
>> Family brands, so that might help locate this item.
>> Note, I am not any
>> kind of salesman and not affiliated with anything
>> here.
>>
>> Festival brand dried sweet fruit, $4.99 for a 5oz
>> re-sealable package.
>> Found it near the raisins. Available today were
>> cantaloupe, pineapple,
>> mango, pear, and apple. I bought the cantaloupe.
>> The package is hard
>> to open with fingers and teeth, I had to resort to a
>> knife. There are a
>> *lot* of slices in this 5oz! Doesn't taste like a
>> fresh one and is a
>> bit chewey-er and sweeter. Some natural liquid must
>> remain as its not
>> crunchy and you don't have to reconstitute it. The
>> ingredients are:
>> cantaloupe, sugar, citric acid, sulpher dioxide (to
>> preserve color) and
>> artificial flavor. First bite reminded me of fruit
>> cake fruit, but by
>> the 2nd slice I was thinking it would be quite
>> enjoyable about the 3rd
>> or 4th morning on the trail. But then, why wait?
>> This package says
>> 'freshest by 010609' so it has some shelf life too.
>> Good bounce bucket
>> item where there is no fresh produce maybe?
>>
>> It's not the Mountains that we conquer,
>> but Ourselves. Sir Edmund Hillary 1919-2008
>>
>> Ol' Three Toes aka Chris
>> S/V Drifter ~~~_/)~~~
>> Anacortes, WA.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:19:00 -0700
>> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
>> Subject: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail Report Big Bear
>> Area
>> To: "'PCT'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <003a01c8a31b$637781c0$0301a8c0 at OFFICE>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Just returned from a hike with my son around the Big
>> Bear Area.
>>
>> First, for those not intimate with the trail yet -
>> orientation
>>
>> When entering into the San Bernardino Mountains you
>> climb from the valley
>> "Cabazon" or Gorgonio Pass. Climbing into the San
>> Bernardino's you reach a
>> high point about 42 miles in called Onyx Summit at
>> PCT mile 252. From
>> there, you descend into the Big Bear valley and lake
>> area and wrap around
>> the north side of the lake.
>>
>> We hiked from that high point, Onyx Summit Mile 252,
>> to mid way along the
>> lake - road 2N09 mile 277 (actually hiked out Cougar
>> Crest Trail just before
>> road 2N09).
>>
>> First a quick nod to Erik of www.pctatlas.com He
>> lives in that area and is
>> willing to help hikers out with rides. He gave us a
>> lift so we could leave
>> our car at the far end. He does not monitor this
>> list though. To reach
>> him, contact via his web site.
>>
>> Train conditions were in general immaculate. All
>> blow downs on the first 15
>> miles were cleared. Any remaining blow downs on the
>> second 15 miles were
>> easy to walk around or step over. There is plenty
>> of snow on upper
>> elevations of many peaks, but the PCT is completely
>> clear.
>>
>> Water:
>>
>> Arrastre Trail Camp mile 256
>> The piped water is dry. Arrastre creek flowing and
>> clean. Creek comes
>> above ground just before this camp though and is
>> flowing nicely. Further
>> down trail PCT crosses creek multiple times each
>> with more water.
>>
>> Doble Trail Camp
>> Piped water: #1 dry, #2 dripping. #2 Pipe holds 2
>> liters then stops for
>> hours of reloading. Spring/well metal cover above
>> pipe holding water -
>> filterable - lots-a-floaties. This would be a real
>> nice place for angels
>> to drop off water caches.
>>
>> Van Dusen road crossing / Caribou Creek mile 274
>> Creek flowing strong. Great camping and break area
>> except within view of
>> often used dirt road.
>>
>> Best to all,
>>
>> Pink Gumby
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:50:04 +0000
>> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail Report Big
>> Bear Area
>> To: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>, "'PCT'"
>> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID:
>>
>>
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>> Bill,
>>
>> Thanks for the report. I am curious re: your
>> comment that Doble Trail Camp would be a good place
>> for a water cache. Why? You have mentioned two
>> spots (before and after this location) within 18
>> miles that both have water. Additionally, Highway
>> 18 and the hitch to Big Bear is in this stretch.
>> Why does the trail need yet another water cache in
>> which to clutter the trail? Isn't there enough
>> already?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
>>
>>
>>> Just returned from a hike with my son around the
>>>
>> Big Bear Area.
>>
>>> First, for those not intimate with the trail yet -
>>>
>> orientation
>>
>>> When entering into the San Bernardino Mountains
>>>
>> you climb from the valley
>>
>>> "Cabazon" or Gorgonio Pass. Climbing into the San
>>>
>> Bernardino's you reach a
>>
>>> high point about 42 miles in called Onyx Summit at
>>>
>> PCT mile 252. From
>>
>>> there, you descend into the Big Bear valley and
>>>
>> lake area and wrap around
>>
>>> the north side of the lake.
>>>
>>> We hiked from that high point, Onyx Summit Mile
>>>
>> 252, to mid way along the
>>
>>> lake - road 2N09 mile 277 (actually hiked out
>>>
>> Cougar Crest Trail just before
>>
>>> road 2N09).
>>>
>>> First a quick nod to Erik of www.pctatlas.com He
>>>
>> lives in that area and is
>>
>>> willing to help hikers out with rides. He gave us
>>>
>> a lift so we could leave
>>
>>> our car at the far end. He does not monitor this
>>>
>> list though. To reach
>>
>>> him, contact via his web site.
>>>
>>> Train conditions were in general immaculate. All
>>>
>> blow downs on the first 15
>>
>>> miles were cleared. Any remaining blow downs on
>>>
>> the second 15 miles were
>>
>>> easy to walk around or step over. There is plenty
>>>
>> of snow on upper
>>
>>> elevations of many peaks, but the PCT is
>>>
>> completely clear.
>>
>>> Water:
>>>
>>> Arrastre Trail Camp mile 256
>>> The piped water is dry. Arrastre creek flowing and
>>>
>> clean. Creek comes
>>
>>> above ground just before this camp though and is
>>>
>> flowing nicely. Further
>>
>>> down trail PCT crosses creek multiple times each
>>>
>> with more water.
>>
>>> Doble Trail Camp
>>> Piped water: #1 dry, #2 dripping. #2 Pipe holds 2
>>>
>> liters then stops for
>>
>>> hours of reloading. Spring/well metal cover above
>>>
>> pipe holding water -
>>
>>> filterable - lots-a-floaties. This would be a real
>>>
>> nice place for angels
>>
>>> to drop off water caches.
>>>
>>> Van Dusen road crossing / Caribou Creek mile 274
>>> Creek flowing strong. Great camping and break area
>>>
>> except within view of
>>
>>> often used dirt road.
>>>
>>> Best to all,
>>>
>>> Pink Gumby
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:55:28 EDT
>> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Adventure of the Trail/Road
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Cc: zoomersdelivers at yahoo.com, lizmares at cox.net,
>> carolwbruno at yahoo.com
>> Message-ID: <c19.3608426c.353cf9b0 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>
>> Free Refill wrote: ....... or get a 2008 BMW
>> R-GS1200 and see the dirt roads
>> too! I can't resist mentioning that these great
>> pieces of technic are
>> manufactured right here in my neighbourhood in
>> Berlin...
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> Switchback replies: You are right. BMW's are great
>> machines. Their big
>> touring bike has automatic windshield and kickstand.
>> Wow. By the way, I am now
>> making of list of hiker babe names that I plan to
>> kidnap when I get my bike.
>> I will pull into town and thrown them on the back
>> and head out with people
>> (mothers, fathers, friends, etc.) running after us,
>> but it will be too late.
>> It will be a PCT road tour and leaving our intials
>> on many a trailtown
>> saloon wall ..... "Switchback and xxxxxxxx were
>> here. Catch us if you can." Yes,
>> many long nights of partying and telling tall tales
>> of the trail and road
>> with our trail/road bros and their wenches. Life
>> does not get much better than
>> this ..... hot pizza, cold brews, music, and
>> friends late at night .... just
>> like the trail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest
>> site for U.S. used car
>> listings at AOL Autos.
>>
>>
> (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:21:58 -0700
>> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail Report Big
>> Bear Area
>> To: <jeff.singewald at comcast.net>, "'PCT'"
>> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Message-ID: <003e01c8a32c$90f06020$0301a8c0 at OFFICE>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> A fair question Jeff. And I know you are
>> anti-caches, or at least a cache
>> minimalist. So, let me clarify and reclassify my
>> thought.
>>
>> Let me rephrase to say it would be a nice trail
>> angle move right now as the
>> pipe is dry. I do not mean a cache as in some
>> permanent fixture.
>>
>> My thought was because this location is listed in
>> many PCT sources as a
>> "reliable" water source, when right now it is not -
>> it is a drag to find it
>> dry. I think many hikers may expect water to be
>> there. Life threatening?
>> No. Hiking out, hitch hiking are all options. So
>> consider it more in the
>> "trail magic" category than in the cache category.
>> For those that had
>> plans that included this "reliable" source, it may
>> be a drag to find it dry.
>> So I think a small temporary cache could bring some
>> trail joy. I like joy.
>> I like joy a lot! For example, I could see a hiker
>> reentering the trail at
>> highway 18 after a day off in BBear - all pumped up
>> from their rest day and
>> ready to head on. They are carrying enough water to
>> get them to this spot
>> and plan on loading up there. Then finding it dry.
>> Now, after a few miles
>> on the trail the hiker needs to go back into town,
>> reload, kill half a day,
>> and rethink the next leg. It would be a buzz kill
>> for sure - or - anti-joy.
>> I was not envisioning some 600 gallon cache, but if
>> someone had set a few
>> 2.5 gallon containers on the picnic tables there - I
>> would have thought -
>> cool. I also do not consider those types of trail
>> angel moves as clutter
>> when done right. Just my opinion. In this case,
>> Doble is an established
>> camp area with a solar toilet, picnic table, horse
>> corral, etc. It is not
>> as if someone would be hanging water bottles from
>> the trees in the middle of
>> the wilderness. A couple 2.5 gallons tied to the
>> table is hardly more of
>> blight than the permanent fire ring, toilet
>> building, or bull-dozed clearing
>> that is already there.
>>
>> As for the next water spot about 6 miles later -
>> there is the dilemma the
>> hiker finds. So, they have enough water left
>> without Doble to make a
>> couple more miles and then would need to go four
>> miles further dry -
>> uncomfortable but not so bad. Now though you have
>> seriously eaten into your
>> buffer. IF that next stream is dry, the hiker has a
>> poorly planned exit
>> strategy. The hiker used their buffer on the way to
>> that creek. At least
>> for myself, having another unknown water source
>> further into the trail and
>> further away from a fall-back position would not
>> make me comfortable
>> skipping Doble. If I had planned on Doble and my
>> water was now low, I would
>> not personally press on hoping the creek was
>> different. Actually, quite the
>> opposite. If the Doble "reliable" spring was dry, I
>> would consider the next
>> source equally suspect being part of the same
>> eco-system. (unless I had
>> checked the Jeffery report the day before and found
>> a very recent report
>> -too many variables to cover them all).
>>
>> Alas, the water cache left here and filled
>> periodically when the spring was
>> not "springing" would just be another trail angle
>> nicety that may alleviate
>> a hassle and make a hiker grateful for the anonymous
>> nod. Much like finding
>> a car parked at a road crossing handing out
>> Gatoraid. Was the Gatoraid
>> "required", nah - but a real joy to find. I like
>> joy. Did I mention I like
>> joy?
>>
>> PG
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
>> [mailto:jeff.singewald at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:50 PM
>> To: Bill Batchelor; 'PCT'
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail Report Big
>> Bear Area
>>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Thanks for the report. I am curious re: your
>> comment that Doble Trail Camp
>> would be a good place for a water cache. Why? You
>> have mentioned two spots
>> (before and after this location) within 18 miles
>> that both have water.
>> Additionally, Highway 18 and the hitch to Big Bear
>> is in this stretch. Why
>> does the trail need yet another water cache in which
>> to clutter the trail?
>> Isn't there enough already?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
>>
>>
>>> Just returned from a hike with my son around the
>>>
>> Big Bear Area.
>>
>>> First, for those not intimate with the trail yet -
>>>
>> orientation
>>
>>> When entering into the San Bernardino Mountains
>>>
>> you climb from the valley
>>
>>> "Cabazon" or Gorgonio Pass. Climbing into the San
>>>
>> Bernardino's you reach a
>>
>>
>>> high point about 42 miles in called Onyx Summit at
>>>
>> PCT mile 252. From
>>
>>> there, you descend into the Big Bear valley and
>>>
>> lake area and wrap around
>>
>>> the north side of the lake.
>>>
>>> We hiked from that high point, Onyx Summit Mile
>>>
>> 252, to mid way along the
>>
>>> lake - road 2N09 mile 277 (actually hiked out
>>>
>> Cougar Crest Trail just
>> before
>>
>>> road 2N09).
>>>
>>> First a quick nod to Erik of www.pctatlas.com He
>>>
>> lives in that area and is
>>
>>
>>> willing to help hikers out with rides. He gave us
>>>
>> a lift so we could leave
>>
>>
>>> our car at the far end. He does not monitor this
>>>
>> list though. To reach
>>
>>> him, contact via his web site.
>>>
>>> Train conditions were in general immaculate. All
>>>
>> blow downs on the first
>> 15
>>
>>> miles were cleared. Any remaining blow downs on
>>>
>> the second 15 miles were
>>
>>> easy to walk around or step over. There is plenty
>>>
>> of snow on upper
>>
>>> elevations of many peaks, but the PCT is
>>>
>> completely clear.
>>
>>> Water:
>>>
>>> Arrastre Trail Camp mile 256
>>> The piped water is dry. Arrastre creek flowing and
>>>
>> clean. Creek comes
>>
>>> above ground just before this camp though and is
>>>
>> flowing nicely. Further
>>
>>> down trail PCT crosses creek multiple times each
>>>
>> with more water.
>>
>>> Doble Trail Camp
>>> Piped water: #1 dry, #2 dripping. #2 Pipe holds 2
>>>
>> liters then stops for
>>
>>> hours of relo ading. Spring/well metal cover above
>>>
>> pipe holding water -
>>
>>> filterable - lots-a-floaties. This would be a real
>>>
>> nice place for angels
>>
>>> to drop off water caches.
>>>
>>> Van Dusen road crossing / Caribou Creek mile 274
>>> Creek flowing strong. Great camping and break area
>>>
>> except within view of
>>
>>> often used dirt road.
>>>
>>> Best to all,
>>>
>>> Pink Gumby
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pct-l mailing list
>>> Pct-l at backcountry.net
>>>
>>>
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>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:05:59 -0400
>> From: "David Stewart"
>> <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [pct-l] tarptent contrail
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>>
>>
>>
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>> hello all,
>>
>> i have vetted all of my gear....but i am still
>> having trouble getting to
>> "the good tension" with my contrail. Honestly, I
>> have always had trouble
>> getting the right tension with my tents: i can just
>> never get it to look
>> like the pictures....
>>
>> i somehow lack these skills (but make up for it by
>> having awesome nunchuck
>> skills).
>>
>> would anyone out there who knows about this tent or
>> owns one be able to give
>> me some pointers at the kick-off? i would be most
>> appreciative.....
>>
>> cool. thank you.
>>
>> see you all in less than a week!!!
>> moondog
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:17:15 +0000
>> From: asabat at 4jeffrey.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] tarptent contrail
>> To: "David Stewart"
>> <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>,
>> pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Message-ID:
>>
>>
>>
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>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> Henry will be there so you can ask him directly.
>>
>> AsABat
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "David Stewart"
>> <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:05:59
>> To:pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] tarptent contrail
>>
>>
>> hello all,
>>
>> i have vetted all of my gear....but i am still
>> having trouble getting to
>> "the good tension" with my contrail. Honestly, I
>> have always had trouble
>> getting the right tension with my tents: i can just
>> never get it to look
>> like the pictures....
>>
>> i somehow lack these skills (but make up for it by
>> having awesome nunchuck
>> skills).
>>
>> would anyone out there who knows about this tent or
>> owns one be able to give
>> me some pointers at the kick-off? i would be most
>> appreciative.....
>>
>> cool. thank you.
>>
>> see you all in less than a week!!!
>> moondog
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