[pct-l] contrail
mark v
allemande6 at yahoo.com
Sun Apr 20 17:30:15 CDT 2008
Moondog, i'll join you for the field trip to ask Henry
about the Contrail. I had lousy luck getting mine set
up well the first couple of nights. By the last night
i had it a LOT better, but i'm still not so confident
it would be ok in high winds etc. The one thing that
did help me was to retension it as tight as possible
RIGHT before going to sleep, and again if i woke up to
pee at night. The humidity change at dusk makes it
sag a lot. (the Contrail, i mean!)
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> 1. question (Brian Nyquist)
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> 3. New food (cvano at tmail.com)
> 4. ** Water & Trail Report Big Bear Area (Bill
> Batchelor)
> 5. Re: ** Water & Trail Report Big Bear Area
> (jeff.singewald at comcast.net)
> 6. Re: Adventure of the Trail/Road
> (Hiker97 at aol.com)
> 7. Re: ** Water & Trail Report Big Bear Area
> (Bill Batchelor)
> 8. tarptent contrail (David Stewart)
> 9. Re: tarptent contrail (asabat at 4jeffrey.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:32:20 -0700
> From: "Brian Nyquist" <brinyq at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] question
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> i have been reading some of the trail journals and
> was wondering how people
> are able to post everyday? are they doing it with
> their phones? is service
> very reliable in southern california? forgive my
> ignorance but it is
> miffing me.
> -brian
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:53:34 -0400
> From: Sean Nordeen <sean at lifesadventures.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Private vs Public Journals
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Since the blog entry posted at hikertown seemed to
> be posted in response to an entry posted at
> trailjournals, I think some people are not making
> the distinction between a private and public journal
> when they are writing.
>
> Yes, a journal to put down your thoughts and
> emotions when going through a stressful situation is
> a good thing. It can be great to look back at that
> time years latter and remember all that you were
> feeling at that time. However, such private
> thoughts should be kept private. If they are ever
> published, it is best done so after your death by
> your relatives trying to cash in on your fame. :p
>
> A public journal is indeed just that, public. The
> purpose and content of a public journal should be
> different then what you would normally journal in
> private about. You have to consider how what you
> write will be understood by others. There are many
> things that we think or judgements that we make that
> if expressed out loud, can cuase offense or anger in
> others. Some things are just better off not said in
> public.
>
> I think many people would be well served if they
> kept 2 journals. One online that has been censored
> and a private one that has all the juicy details
> (despite the howls off some armchair hikers wanted
> to read it all and complain latter). ;)
>
> Just my thoughts on this matter.
> -Sean
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:17:27 -0700
> From: cvano at tmail.com
> Subject: [pct-l] New food
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <1208719050.29CDA390 at dh16.dngr.org>
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> format="flowed"
>
> Found a new item at Food Pavilion today. This store
> carries the Western
> Family brands, so that might help locate this item.
> Note, I am not any
> kind of salesman and not affiliated with anything
> here.
>
> Festival brand dried sweet fruit, $4.99 for a 5oz
> re-sealable package.
> Found it near the raisins. Available today were
> cantaloupe, pineapple,
> mango, pear, and apple. I bought the cantaloupe.
> The package is hard
> to open with fingers and teeth, I had to resort to a
> knife. There are a
> *lot* of slices in this 5oz! Doesn't taste like a
> fresh one and is a
> bit chewey-er and sweeter. Some natural liquid must
> remain as its not
> crunchy and you don't have to reconstitute it. The
> ingredients are:
> cantaloupe, sugar, citric acid, sulpher dioxide (to
> preserve color) and
> artificial flavor. First bite reminded me of fruit
> cake fruit, but by
> the 2nd slice I was thinking it would be quite
> enjoyable about the 3rd
> or 4th morning on the trail. But then, why wait?
> This package says
> 'freshest by 010609' so it has some shelf life too.
> Good bounce bucket
> item where there is no fresh produce maybe?
>
> It's not the Mountains that we conquer,
> but Ourselves. Sir Edmund Hillary 1919-2008
>
> Ol' Three Toes aka Chris
> S/V Drifter ~~~_/)~~~
> Anacortes, WA.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:19:00 -0700
> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail Report Big Bear
> Area
> To: "'PCT'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <003a01c8a31b$637781c0$0301a8c0 at OFFICE>
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>
> Just returned from a hike with my son around the Big
> Bear Area.
>
> First, for those not intimate with the trail yet -
> orientation
>
> When entering into the San Bernardino Mountains you
> climb from the valley
> "Cabazon" or Gorgonio Pass. Climbing into the San
> Bernardino's you reach a
> high point about 42 miles in called Onyx Summit at
> PCT mile 252. From
> there, you descend into the Big Bear valley and lake
> area and wrap around
> the north side of the lake.
>
> We hiked from that high point, Onyx Summit Mile 252,
> to mid way along the
> lake - road 2N09 mile 277 (actually hiked out Cougar
> Crest Trail just before
> road 2N09).
>
> First a quick nod to Erik of www.pctatlas.com He
> lives in that area and is
> willing to help hikers out with rides. He gave us a
> lift so we could leave
> our car at the far end. He does not monitor this
> list though. To reach
> him, contact via his web site.
>
> Train conditions were in general immaculate. All
> blow downs on the first 15
> miles were cleared. Any remaining blow downs on the
> second 15 miles were
> easy to walk around or step over. There is plenty
> of snow on upper
> elevations of many peaks, but the PCT is completely
> clear.
>
> Water:
>
> Arrastre Trail Camp mile 256
> The piped water is dry. Arrastre creek flowing and
> clean. Creek comes
> above ground just before this camp though and is
> flowing nicely. Further
> down trail PCT crosses creek multiple times each
> with more water.
>
> Doble Trail Camp
> Piped water: #1 dry, #2 dripping. #2 Pipe holds 2
> liters then stops for
> hours of reloading. Spring/well metal cover above
> pipe holding water -
> filterable - lots-a-floaties. This would be a real
> nice place for angels
> to drop off water caches.
>
> Van Dusen road crossing / Caribou Creek mile 274
> Creek flowing strong. Great camping and break area
> except within view of
> often used dirt road.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Pink Gumby
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:50:04 +0000
> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail Report Big
> Bear Area
> To: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>, "'PCT'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
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> Bill,
>
> Thanks for the report. I am curious re: your
> comment that Doble Trail Camp would be a good place
> for a water cache. Why? You have mentioned two
> spots (before and after this location) within 18
> miles that both have water. Additionally, Highway
> 18 and the hitch to Big Bear is in this stretch.
> Why does the trail need yet another water cache in
> which to clutter the trail? Isn't there enough
> already?
>
> Jeff
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
>
> >
> > Just returned from a hike with my son around the
> Big Bear Area.
> >
> > First, for those not intimate with the trail yet -
> orientation
> >
> > When entering into the San Bernardino Mountains
> you climb from the valley
> > "Cabazon" or Gorgonio Pass. Climbing into the San
> Bernardino's you reach a
> > high point about 42 miles in called Onyx Summit at
> PCT mile 252. From
> > there, you descend into the Big Bear valley and
> lake area and wrap around
> > the north side of the lake.
> >
> > We hiked from that high point, Onyx Summit Mile
> 252, to mid way along the
> > lake - road 2N09 mile 277 (actually hiked out
> Cougar Crest Trail just before
> > road 2N09).
> >
> > First a quick nod to Erik of www.pctatlas.com He
> lives in that area and is
> > willing to help hikers out with rides. He gave us
> a lift so we could leave
> > our car at the far end. He does not monitor this
> list though. To reach
> > him, contact via his web site.
> >
> > Train conditions were in general immaculate. All
> blow downs on the first 15
> > miles were cleared. Any remaining blow downs on
> the second 15 miles were
> > easy to walk around or step over. There is plenty
> of snow on upper
> > elevations of many peaks, but the PCT is
> completely clear.
> >
> > Water:
> >
> > Arrastre Trail Camp mile 256
> > The piped water is dry. Arrastre creek flowing and
> clean. Creek comes
> > above ground just before this camp though and is
> flowing nicely. Further
> > down trail PCT crosses creek multiple times each
> with more water.
> >
> > Doble Trail Camp
> > Piped water: #1 dry, #2 dripping. #2 Pipe holds 2
> liters then stops for
> > hours of reloading. Spring/well metal cover above
> pipe holding water -
> > filterable - lots-a-floaties. This would be a real
> nice place for angels
> > to drop off water caches.
> >
> > Van Dusen road crossing / Caribou Creek mile 274
> > Creek flowing strong. Great camping and break area
> except within view of
> > often used dirt road.
> >
> > Best to all,
> >
> > Pink Gumby
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Pct-l at backcountry.net
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:55:28 EDT
> From: Hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Adventure of the Trail/Road
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: zoomersdelivers at yahoo.com, lizmares at cox.net,
> carolwbruno at yahoo.com
> Message-ID: <c19.3608426c.353cf9b0 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
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>
> Free Refill wrote: ....... or get a 2008 BMW
> R-GS1200 and see the dirt roads
> too! I can't resist mentioning that these great
> pieces of technic are
> manufactured right here in my neighbourhood in
> Berlin...
> -----------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: You are right. BMW's are great
> machines. Their big
> touring bike has automatic windshield and kickstand.
> Wow. By the way, I am now
> making of list of hiker babe names that I plan to
> kidnap when I get my bike.
> I will pull into town and thrown them on the back
> and head out with people
> (mothers, fathers, friends, etc.) running after us,
> but it will be too late.
> It will be a PCT road tour and leaving our intials
> on many a trailtown
> saloon wall ..... "Switchback and xxxxxxxx were
> here. Catch us if you can." Yes,
> many long nights of partying and telling tall tales
> of the trail and road
> with our trail/road bros and their wenches. Life
> does not get much better than
> this ..... hot pizza, cold brews, music, and
> friends late at night .... just
> like the trail.
>
>
>
>
> **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest
> site for U.S. used car
> listings at AOL Autos.
>
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:21:58 -0700
> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail Report Big
> Bear Area
> To: <jeff.singewald at comcast.net>, "'PCT'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <003e01c8a32c$90f06020$0301a8c0 at OFFICE>
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>
> A fair question Jeff. And I know you are
> anti-caches, or at least a cache
> minimalist. So, let me clarify and reclassify my
> thought.
>
> Let me rephrase to say it would be a nice trail
> angle move right now as the
> pipe is dry. I do not mean a cache as in some
> permanent fixture.
>
> My thought was because this location is listed in
> many PCT sources as a
> "reliable" water source, when right now it is not -
> it is a drag to find it
> dry. I think many hikers may expect water to be
> there. Life threatening?
> No. Hiking out, hitch hiking are all options. So
> consider it more in the
> "trail magic" category than in the cache category.
> For those that had
> plans that included this "reliable" source, it may
> be a drag to find it dry.
> So I think a small temporary cache could bring some
> trail joy. I like joy.
> I like joy a lot! For example, I could see a hiker
> reentering the trail at
> highway 18 after a day off in BBear - all pumped up
> from their rest day and
> ready to head on. They are carrying enough water to
> get them to this spot
> and plan on loading up there. Then finding it dry.
> Now, after a few miles
> on the trail the hiker needs to go back into town,
> reload, kill half a day,
> and rethink the next leg. It would be a buzz kill
> for sure - or - anti-joy.
> I was not envisioning some 600 gallon cache, but if
> someone had set a few
> 2.5 gallon containers on the picnic tables there - I
> would have thought -
> cool. I also do not consider those types of trail
> angel moves as clutter
> when done right. Just my opinion. In this case,
> Doble is an established
> camp area with a solar toilet, picnic table, horse
> corral, etc. It is not
> as if someone would be hanging water bottles from
> the trees in the middle of
> the wilderness. A couple 2.5 gallons tied to the
> table is hardly more of
> blight than the permanent fire ring, toilet
> building, or bull-dozed clearing
> that is already there.
>
> As for the next water spot about 6 miles later -
> there is the dilemma the
> hiker finds. So, they have enough water left
> without Doble to make a
> couple more miles and then would need to go four
> miles further dry -
> uncomfortable but not so bad. Now though you have
> seriously eaten into your
> buffer. IF that next stream is dry, the hiker has a
> poorly planned exit
> strategy. The hiker used their buffer on the way to
> that creek. At least
> for myself, having another unknown water source
> further into the trail and
> further away from a fall-back position would not
> make me comfortable
> skipping Doble. If I had planned on Doble and my
> water was now low, I would
> not personally press on hoping the creek was
> different. Actually, quite the
> opposite. If the Doble "reliable" spring was dry, I
> would consider the next
> source equally suspect being part of the same
> eco-system. (unless I had
> checked the Jeffery report the day before and found
> a very recent report
> -too many variables to cover them all).
>
> Alas, the water cache left here and filled
> periodically when the spring was
> not "springing" would just be another trail angle
> nicety that may alleviate
> a hassle and make a hiker grateful for the anonymous
> nod. Much like finding
> a car parked at a road crossing handing out
> Gatoraid. Was the Gatoraid
> "required", nah - but a real joy to find. I like
> joy. Did I mention I like
> joy?
>
> PG
>
> _____
>
> From: jeff.singewald at comcast.net
> [mailto:jeff.singewald at comcast.net]
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:50 PM
> To: Bill Batchelor; 'PCT'
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ** Water & Trail Report Big
> Bear Area
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Thanks for the report. I am curious re: your
> comment that Doble Trail Camp
> would be a good place for a water cache. Why? You
> have mentioned two spots
> (before and after this location) within 18 miles
> that both have water.
> Additionally, Highway 18 and the hitch to Big Bear
> is in this stretch. Why
> does the trail need yet another water cache in which
> to clutter the trail?
> Isn't there enough already?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Bill Batchelor" <billbatch at cox.net>
>
> >
> > Just returned from a hike with my son around the
> Big Bear Area.
> >
> > First, for those not intimate with the trail yet -
> orientation
> >
> > When entering into the San Bernardino Mountains
> you climb from the valley
> > "Cabazon" or Gorgonio Pass. Climbing into the San
> Bernardino's you reach a
>
> > high point about 42 miles in called Onyx Summit at
> PCT mile 252. From
> > there, you descend into the Big Bear valley and
> lake area and wrap around
> > the north side of the lake.
> >
> > We hiked from that high point, Onyx Summit Mile
> 252, to mid way along the
> > lake - road 2N09 mile 277 (actually hiked out
> Cougar Crest Trail just
> before
> > road 2N09).
> >
> > First a quick nod to Erik of www.pctatlas.com He
> lives in that area and is
>
> > willing to help hikers out with rides. He gave us
> a lift so we could leave
>
> > our car at the far end. He does not monitor this
> list though. To reach
> > him, contact via his web site.
> >
> > Train conditions were in general immaculate. All
> blow downs on the first
> 15
> > miles were cleared. Any remaining blow downs on
> the second 15 miles were
> > easy to walk around or step over. There is plenty
> of snow on upper
> > elevations of many peaks, but the PCT is
> completely clear.
> >
> > Water:
> >
> > Arrastre Trail Camp mile 256
> > The piped water is dry. Arrastre creek flowing and
> clean. Creek comes
> > above ground just before this camp though and is
> flowing nicely. Further
> > down trail PCT crosses creek multiple times each
> with more water.
> >
> > Doble Trail Camp
> > Piped water: #1 dry, #2 dripping. #2 Pipe holds 2
> liters then stops for
> > hours of relo ading. Spring/well metal cover above
> pipe holding water -
> > filterable - lots-a-floaties. This would be a real
> nice place for angels
> > to drop off water caches.
> >
> > Van Dusen road crossing / Caribou Creek mile 274
> > Creek flowing strong. Great camping and break area
> except within view of
> > often used dirt road.
> >
> > Best to all,
> >
> > Pink Gumby
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-l mailing list
> > Pct-l at backcountry.net
> >
>
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:05:59 -0400
> From: "David Stewart"
> <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] tarptent contrail
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>
>
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> hello all,
>
> i have vetted all of my gear....but i am still
> having trouble getting to
> "the good tension" with my contrail. Honestly, I
> have always had trouble
> getting the right tension with my tents: i can just
> never get it to look
> like the pictures....
>
> i somehow lack these skills (but make up for it by
> having awesome nunchuck
> skills).
>
> would anyone out there who knows about this tent or
> owns one be able to give
> me some pointers at the kick-off? i would be most
> appreciative.....
>
> cool. thank you.
>
> see you all in less than a week!!!
> moondog
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:17:15 +0000
> From: asabat at 4jeffrey.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] tarptent contrail
> To: "David Stewart"
> <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>
>
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>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Henry will be there so you can ask him directly.
>
> AsABat
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "David Stewart"
> <davidalexanderstewart at gmail.com>
>
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:05:59
> To:pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] tarptent contrail
>
>
> hello all,
>
> i have vetted all of my gear....but i am still
> having trouble getting to
> "the good tension" with my contrail. Honestly, I
> have always had trouble
> getting the right tension with my tents: i can just
> never get it to look
> like the pictures....
>
> i somehow lack these skills (but make up for it by
> having awesome nunchuck
> skills).
>
> would anyone out there who knows about this tent or
> owns one be able to give
> me some pointers at the kick-off? i would be most
> appreciative.....
>
> cool. thank you.
>
> see you all in less than a week!!!
> moondog
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