[pct-l] A few quick questions- Scott's comment

[Carl & Judy Rush]

If you have actually read the articles you just posted you would have seen
that 53% of bears getting food were at campgrounds, 44% were parking lots,
and 3% were businesses and residences. Add it up.
Carl


On 12/29/06, kmurray at pol.net <kmurray at pol.net> wrote:
>
> I can see that you don't have to let honesty or truth get in the way of
> your statements.  I think if you look at the posts that you are attacking,
> you will find nothing about bear cans.  I certainly don't mention them.
> They are not required, generally, on "my" forest.
>
> What I object to is the suggestion that sleeping with your food is
> something that one should strongly consider.  I think that "the currently
> popular agenda" that I am pushing, is not sleeping with your food, in bear
> country.
>
> If you object to that agenda, then you ARE supporting sleeping with your
> food.  The obfuscating statement that you do not, when you clearly do,
> just makes you sound like yet another politician liar, trying to push a
> position, while maintaining plausible deniability.
>
> "I would ask the
> self identified experts this one simple question, "Are you aware how many
> people pass through bear country without a canister?" "
>
> Yes.  We pick up the trash created by the bears when they tear up the
> tents, rip apart the packs, and pass the wrappers through their digestive
> system.  We take the reports of people who have been bothered by bears.
> We give up some of our food to the people who have had theirs taken.  Yep,
> we know.
>
> What do you think that YOU know about what goes on, passing through an
> area in a day or two, compared to people who spend the summer, or the
> year, or a decade,  residing in the area?  I'm sure you get a lot of
> hearsay, but we all know what rumor is worth.
>
> "Bonus question: "Are
> you living on the friggin' moon?""
>
> Nope, you appear to be up there pretty much by yourself.
>
> Down here on Earth, we use actual data to make decision and
> recommendations.
>
> http://www.humboldt.edu/~srm1/Research/Martin_and_McCurdy_2005Abstract.pdf
> http://www.wcs.org/media/file/Yose_BE_Complete.pdf
>
> "If you're trying to intimidate me into promoting the currently popular
> agenda by ignoring the reality of what actually goes on out there, you are
> failing miserably."
>
> Wait a minute:  I'm trying to get you to agree with the currently popular
> agenda of not sleeping with your food in bear country.   I've failed????
> Then I guess you are saying, that in spite of my efforts, you DO support
> that practice!
>
> I love this!  Any time in, say, the next twenty years, anytime anyone gets
> badly hurt or killed sleeping with their food, their family will look
> online, and they will find our posts.  They will see your website, and
> your self-promotion as an expert. (Where was it you worked as a bear
> biologist?)
>
> You'll never know it's coming, until you get the summons.  Every time you
> hear about a bear attack, you'll wonder.  Good work.
>
> I'm SO GLAD you are the sort that takes responsiblity for your decisions!
>
> :)
>
>
>
> > So far we've had 2 folks claiming to work in Yosemite and now a
> > volunteer  ranger touting the evils of not carrying a bear can. Good
> > work, you're doing  your job.
> >
> > As I said before and have always said, "I would never recommend someone
> > sleeping with their food."
> >
> > One thing is certain, the informed are clearly out of touch. I would ask
> > the  self identified experts this one simple question, "Are you aware
> > how many  people pass through bear country without a canister?" Bonus
> > question: "Are  you living on the friggin' moon?"
> >
> > If you're trying to intimidate me into promoting the currently popular
> > agenda by ignoring the reality of what actually goes on out there, you
> > are  failing miserably.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >>>>>
> > "As a hiker, you have to do what works for you and be responsible for
> > that decision."
> >
> > Glad that you feel that way, Scott.  I'm wondering if a you are willing
> > to let a jury consider that your posts encouraged inexperienced people
> > to go without bear protection, putting their food and their lives at
> > risk?
> >
> > I, at least, am a volunteer wilderness ranger working in bear country
> > that would be happy to testify as to the ridiculous recklessness of your
> > advice.
> >
> > And the good news is, that this post, with this offer, will be
> > searchable and findable by anyone harmed by a bear, for the remainder of
> > your natural life.
> >
> > Glad you take responsibility, Scott.
> > <<<<
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