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[pct-l] Esbit Stove
Another stove to consider is the Esbit.
The stove weighs maybe 3 oz. I use a cut down MSR windscreen with it.
The Esbit fuel looks like sugar cubes wrapped in very lightweight
packaging. An ounce of the fuel, 2 cubes, will bring a quart of water
to a rolling boil even on snow. (With my alcohol stove I had to use
2 to 3 times as much.) If you have any left after cooking
you just blow it out and use the rest later. You always know exactly
how much you have left. It doesn't require any other packaging. And
it can legally be sent through the mail.
The down-side is that it leaves a residue on the bottom of the pot,
easily removed with dirt and water. Also, although the stove is cheap,
only $10 for the stove along with 3 oz of fuel, the fuel is expensive
at almost $1/oz.
>From: owner-pct-l-digest@majordomo.hack.net (pct-l-digest)
>Reply-To: pct-l@edina.hack.net
>To: pct-l-digest@majordomo.hack.net
>Subject: pct-l-digest V1 #947
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:00:44 -0600 (CST)
>
>pct-l-digest Tuesday, November 23 1999 Volume 01 : Number 947
>
>
>
>In this issue:
>
> [pct-l] Skis and such!!
> [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #945
> Re: [pct-l]Winter Trips Anyone?
> [pct-l] US gear prices- shop in Canada
> [pct-l] Buns
> [pct-l] New to the list, Hello All
> RE: [pct-l] New to the list, Hello All
> Re: [pct-l] When's an ounce not and ounce?
> [pct-l] Cannister Stoves
> Re: [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #941
> Re: [pct-l] Stoves
> RE: [pct-l] Canister Stoves
> RE: [pct-l] Canister Stoves
> [pct-l] ADZ (sp?) party questions
> Re: [pct-l] New to the list, Hello All
> Re: [pct-l] When's an ounce not and ounce?
> [pct-l] Alcohol Stoves
> [pct-l] When's an ounce not and ounce?
> Re: [pct-l] ADZ (sp?) party questions
> [pct-l] Re: Foreign visitors
> Re: [pct-l] Alcohol Stoves
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:52:49 EST
>From: Montedodge@aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] Skis and such!!
>
> Hi Skiers, Love to take out my old " Wooden " Kongbergs waxable skis up
>to
>White Pass PCT North. ( low avalanche hazard trail with a nice shelter at
>sand lake ) I am just as much a fuddy duddy with skis as old stoves. Use
>only
>wood waxables, new waxless composite skis are for cheaters. ( might as well
>be a snowmobiler ) Waxing is a lost art with few knowning how. ( Winter
>camp
>with my Optimus 111 stove which simmers like your home range, weighes more
>than most new tents, but is great with BIG pots for groups) Just kidding
>on
>the Ski ragging, waxless people aren't THAT bad.
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>
>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:38:22 PST
>From: "Determined Hiker" <determinedhiker@hotmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #945
>
> >From: Hiker97@aol.com
> >To: pct-l@edina.hack.net
> >Subject: [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #945
> >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:43:28 EST
> >
> >Talking about cell phones and such, here is one that will get some people
> >really upset. For 35 years of backpacking, I have carried a small
> >shortwave/am/fm radio. Some of my favorite memories are alone at night
> >deep
> >in the wilderness listening to great radio plays out of London on the
>BBC.
>
>Well Switchback, as robin williams said in Good Morning Vietnam,
>"OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH Gomer, you're gonna burn in hell for THAT one!"
>
>Mary
>
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>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:12:44 -0800
>From: "Richard Calliger (510.502.5552)" <calliger@infolane.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l]Winter Trips Anyone?
>
>At 6:26 PM -0000 11.22.99, Brick Robbins wrote:
> >"Richard Calliger (510.502.5552)" <calliger@infolane.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Anyone interested in a short 3-4 day trip either from Yosemite or
> >>somewhere on the East-side of the Sierra, say Bishop or Mamouth, CA?
> >
> >>Possibly use crampons but snowshoes with 6 or 8 points work well.
> >
> >I'd be game, avalanche conditions not withstanding
> >
> >Ever do any ski trips? Metal edged tele skis with skins always worked
> >better for me than snowshoes, plus you get the added benefit of an fun
> >descent.
> >
> >One of my favorite places is Toulomne Meadows in the winter. The ski hut
> >there (at the CampGround) makes a nice destination. Even if one camps
> >outside cause it's full, it gives a nice place to dry one's sleeping bag.
> >If one is lazy (and has the extra time and cash) one can spend a night or
> >two at Tioga pass resort on the way in, and they'll snowmobile the packs
> >up from the point of winter closure the lodge at the top of the pass.
>Make
> >the climb easier. Winter Slack-Packing!
> >
> >-Brick
> >
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>*
>
>Been there done that and you are RIGHT! Quite a blast at the hut-
>especially if you
>were farsighted enuf to stash 20 lbs of food (and wine of course) in the
>cache
>behind the hut before they closed TM !! (I did that last year, passed on
>it this
>year (gained 5 lbs on that trip!!)
>
>But I am game for something this year- gotta be snow shoes for me as I am
>the
>worlds' most untrainable skier ever! I have taken so many lessons - group
>and private and I still can't do a bunny slope and I droul at the BD's!!
>
>Rich
>
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:05:53 PST
>From: "Kirsten Bradley" <kirsten_bradley@hotmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] US gear prices- shop in Canada
>
>Hi there,
>
>I lurk on this list, and plan to do PCT starting around May 1.
>
>Jamie Riches noted that US gear prices are cheaper than European prices,
>and
>asked for gear websites. This reminded me of something I just discovered
>that might be of interest to folks on this list. It is often a lot cheaper
>to buy gear in Canada. (I am Canadian, so I can't tell you anything about
>customs duties)
>
>But I've been looking at US web sites for gear prices, and I've noticed
>that
>sometimes the US stores sell products with the same list price as Canadian
>stores - the important difference is that our prices are in Canadian
>dollars!
>
>Check out the web site for Mountain Equipment Co-op www.mec.ca
>
>They don't do on-line ordering, and their website only seems to show their
>own products, but you can request a print catalogue from them, and they do
>have a good mail order service. It may not be apparent from their website,
>but they do sell products from many other manufacturers as well.
>
>Oh, and right now $1 US is worth about $1.50 Canadian, so now would be a
>good time for Americans and British people to buy stuff in Canada.
>
>Salut!
>Kirsten from B.C.
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:19:28 -0600
>From: "David B. Stockton" <davstock@tiac.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Buns
>
>Jeffrey Olson wrote:
> >>
>uncomfortable positions, and pronounced after 45 minutes that the
>problem with my knees, the first visit, and feet, the second visit, was
>"tight buns." My gluteus minimus (and hamstring) muscles were so tight
>to be 95% dysfunctional. Other muscle groups made up for their
>tightness
> >>
>
>Jeffrey et al --
>
>I actually had thought of your previous email... it brings to mind Barbara
>Walter's opinion on Clint Eastwood's butt -- basically the same assessment
>(no pun intended), but with a rather more admiring mindset !
>
>I'm sure that, after I achieve my stretching goals, that the various
>problems I have with hordes of admiring women will fade away, and my 95%
>social dysfunctionality with them, leaving only happy knees and feet.
>
>Somewhat ruefully,
>
>- - Dave
>
>David B. Stockton
>davstock@tiac.net
>
>
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>
>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:33:26 EST
>From: Vertigo876@aol.com
>Subject: [pct-l] New to the list, Hello All
>
>Greetings,
> My name is Mike Adamo (AKA Gambler). I just thru-hiked the
>Appalachian Trail this past summer. I hiked from Georgia to Maine for the
>American Cancer Society in 103 days (88 days of hiking, not including rest
>days) with Dr. A, a cancer survivor.
>
>We are considering a similar PCT thru hike in 2,000 or 01. Our at hike is
>on
>line at www.cancerhiker.com . I am looking forward to learning about the
>PCT
>from all of you. I/ We are planning to do the PCT in about 90 days. What
>do
>you guys, girls think? Anybody want to hike with us?
>
>I am an exercise physiologist. I would be happy to respond to any training
>questions you might have you can also visit my Better Training for
>Backpacking web page www.cancerhiker.com/training.htm
>
>
>Mike Adamo
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>
>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:23:18 -0700
>From: "Kelly Miller" <aj7x@amsat.org>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] New to the list, Hello All
>
> > from all of you. I/ We are planning to do the PCT in about 90
> > days. What do you guys, girls think? Anybody want to hike with us?
>
>I think 90 days is pushing it a little bit...almost 30 miles a day non
>stop.
>But, it's a starting point! I'm hoping to go in '01, but still have things
>to work out yet.
>
>..Kelly
>
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>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:10:15 EST
>From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] When's an ounce not and ounce?
>
>In a message dated 11/21/1999 Duane writes:
>
><< ...water has a [specific gravity] of 1. All other fluids are either
>heaver or lighter than water.
>
> To be specific:
>
> specific gravity of ethyl alcohol = 0.791
> " " " methyl alcohol = 0.810
> >>
>
>Thanks for the info, Duane. I didn't have the numbers handy. As I
>mentioned
>to someone off the list, mixing volume and weight measurements (fluid
>ounces
>vs. ounces of weight) is sloppy engineering but hopefully not critical in
>this discussion. What all this means is that alcohol fuel weighs about
>8/10
>as much as the same volume of water.
>
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>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:49:58 -0800
>From: "Kurt Herzog" <kpherzog@cdsnet.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Cannister Stoves
>
>Mike said: (Cannister Stoves) "Am I missing something here? "
>
>There are three things about cannister stoves that outweigh their nice
>features, for long trips like the PCT. The first is it is difficult if not
>impossible to find cannisters for sale at most resupply points. The second
>big problem is that it is illegal to ship the cannisters to yourself in a
>resupply box, by mail. (It is also illegal to ship gasoline, but it is
>much
>easier to find it for sale). Lastly, you can most easily share fuel with
>other hikers if you have a gasoline stove. It's easy to scrounge a few
>ounces of gas from someone in an emergency, since that's the most common
>fuel out there.
>
>I used a Hank Roberts (Gerry) stove for years and years. I was always
>afraid of running out of fuel, especially when I had a partially used
>cannister, so I always carried a spare, which of course increases the fuel
>load. I had few problems with the stove, thought the problems I did have
>turned out to be catastrophic. In several instances the removable
>cannisters did not re-seal, and vented their contents... leaving me without
>fuel. That's one of the reasons I always carried a spare. A bigger
>problem
>was the failure of the valve and/or generator mechanism. I was never able
>to find spare parts as replacements, requiring me to get a whole new stove
>several times. I finally abandoned the stove altogether when the cost of
>the cannisters rose to around $3 each (back in the '80s) and my local
>outdoor store stopped carrying them.
>
>Good luck . . Kurt
>kpherzog@iname.com
>
>
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:35:37 -0800
>From: Owen Kittredge <owenk@quiknet.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #941
>
> >
> > The choice of white gas over butane/propane puzzles me..........
>
> > I think the weight of thecanister was 12 full (4 oz empty) and my old
>peak 1 is
> > 8oz. It seems a
> > lighter, more foolproof and more versatile choice (it simmers!) than any
> > white gas stove. Am I missing something here? I can see the advantage
>of
> > white gas over butane/propane over a long haul like the PCT
>(availability),
> > but what about a shorter hike like I am planning?
> > By the way I have been lurking and learning for some time now and I
>want
> > to thank those of you to take the time to share your knowledge and
>experience.
> >
>
>I have a Seva 123 and when it is hot I can cook pancakes with an aluminum
>pan and
>I can get it to simmer. People need to learn how to use white gas stoves
>also I
>made a heat exchanger / wind screen out of old pepsi cans that decreases
>the
>boiling time 20% at 500 above MSL. I have used my stove since +/- 1974 but
>I am
>interested in the alcohol stoves and will probably build one this winter
>and do
>some tests comparing to the Seva 123. I will report findings to the group.
>But I
>will not use a cell phone :)
>
>Owen K
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:42:45 -0800
>From: Owen Kittredge <owenk@quiknet.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stoves
>
>Tom
>
>You comment regarding warming the canister reminded me of one of the former
>scouts in our troop. He had a 10 of 12 gauge copper wire that he rapped
>around
>the isobutan can (MSR wisperlight) with one end in the flame. I thought it
>was
>a good idea and I would assume that he did some testing (he is now an
>engineering student at the California Maritime Academy)
>
>Owen K
>
> >
> > Anyone have any data on performance as canisters get close to empty?
> > How much residual fuel is in an "empty" 8 oz canister? Seems like
> > warming a near empty canister would raise pressure of the residual fuel,
> > extending use. Is this effective?
> >
> >
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:08:10 -0800
>From: "Reynolds, Tom" <reynolds@ilan.com>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Canister Stoves
>
>RE: I used a Hank Roberts (Gerry) stove for years and years.
>
>Butane stoves have come a long way since those days. In general the danger
>of a canister jamming open is less than the danger of spilling liquid fuel.
>Most hikers I know carry two (2) fuel bottles for liquid fuel stoves
>because
>of this. Most hikers I know that use a butane stove also carry a backup
>canister. Snow Peak sells a very small butane canister that is ideal for
>backup. Modern butane stoves are almost foolproof. They are lots less
>complicated that white gas stoves. Further, since they weigh about 3
>ounces,
>you can carry a spare.
>
>The real knock on butane stoves for thru hikers is fuel resupply.
>
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>
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:42:21 -0800
>From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Canister Stoves
>
>At 10:08 AM 11/23/1999 -0800, Reynolds, Tom wrote:
>
> >The real knock on butane stoves for thru hikers is fuel resupply.
>
>The "other" real knock for thru hikers is that you can't leave town with a
>measured amount of fuel, at least in small increments. Why carry 10 days of
>fuel if your next stop is 3 days away?
>
>IMHO, canister stoves are not best for thru hikers......but for folks doing
>other things where weight optimization and postal/local resupply are not so
>critical like weekend trips, or long/large unsupported trips like
>expeditions. They sure are easy to use though....
>
>- -Brick
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>
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:07:39 -0800 (PST)
>From: Karen Borski <kborski@yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] ADZ (sp?) party questions
>
>Please forgive my newness and ignorance, but I'd like
>to ask a question on behalf of all the newer listers
>and those just learning about the PCT and its
>traditions.
>
>Can someone point me to a website or give a brief
>statement explaining the what, who, when, where of the
>ADZPCT party? Again, forgive that I do not even know
>how to spell the acronym, but be sure that if it is an
>open celebration of the PCT and I can get there, I
>will stop by during my thru-hike next spring.
>
>Thanks,
>Karen
>Nocona AT'98
>
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>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:05:58 EST
>From: Bighummel@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] New to the list, Hello All
>
>I think that you are nuts! Nothing personal, just my opinion. Slow down
>and
>smell the pine cones.
>
>Of course, many people think that I am nuts, so I guess that I speak from
>experience.
>
>GOOD LUCK!
>
>Greg "Strider" Hummel
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>
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:18:20 EST
>From: Bighummel@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] When's an ounce not and ounce?
>
>I just had to laugh at this one:
>
>Water has a specific gravity of 1 and all other liquids are heavier or
>lighter
>? Huh?
>Isn't this obvious?
>
>Let's see, methyl alcohol has a specific gravity of 0.810 and all other
>liquids are heavier or lighter also! Uh, the same is nearly true for every
>liquid!
>
>I do suppose that there may be some cleverly concocted liquids that can be
>made to have the exact same specific gravity and . . . there must be a
>liquid
>that has a specific gravity greater than any other, so it wouldn't be true
>for it and . . . there must be a liquid that has a specific gravity less
>than
>any other, so it wouldn't be true for it either, but . . . other than
>those
>. . .
>
>Perhaps what you meant to say, IIMBSBTS, is that any liquid with a specific
>gravity of less than 1 is lighter than water and any liquid with a specific
>gravity that is greater than 1 is heavier than water. Of course, this can
>also be said for any liquid by substituting in the name of the liquid and
>its
>specific gravity.
>
>The ramblings of a lunatic. Sorry
>
>Greg "Strider" Hummel
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>
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:32:36 -0800
>From: "Tom Simon" <simontom@cgocable.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Alcohol Stoves
>
>I have been building and testing several of the alcohol stoves that have
>been talked about on this site recently. I built the "Soda Can stove", the
>"Tuna Can Stove" and a couple others. Finally my wife's two cats are of
>some
>use in that their food can's are good for stove experiments.
>So far the best stove considering heat output, durability and efficiency
>seems to be the Tuna Can Stove. If anyone is making one of these I suggest
>that you search around for aluminum cans and then your stove will weigh in
>at only 1 oz. You'll have to modify the construction a bit but you'll end
>up
>with a solid light stove that should last the duration of a thru hike.
>Aluminum has no spring to it so cut out tabs for ventilation will not hold
>the two cans together as with steel cans. Make cutouts using a Dremel tool
>with a cutting wheel and join the cans using small nuts and bolts.
>Most of the stove designs say that all you need is 2 tablespoons of alcohol
>to boil 3 cups of water. Starting with cold water around 50 degrees F., as
>is most water in the higher elevations I find that this much alcohol will
>not bring 3 cups of water to a boil in any stove design. It will burn out
>well before boiling. It seems like the fuel requirement for a 3 cup boiling
>meal is more like around 4 tablespoons of alcohol. My testing is done at
>near sea level. What's going to happen at 11,000 ft. when I'm up in the
>Sierras next July?
>Does anyone know anything about the look of the flame? I always thought a
>nice blue flame was hotter and cleaner than an orange flame. The soda can
>stove has a bluer flame while the Tuna Can stove has a more orange flame.
>Strangely I have found that the nice blue flame carbons up the bottom of a
>pot while the orange colored flame leaves no residue!
>I am hopeful yet about using an alcohol stove next year and leaving my
>Whisperlite Shakerjet behind so I can have a quiet peaceful meal. The
>answer
>may lie in heating the water a bit, soaking the rice or noodles for a few
>minutes, the finishing off the cooking. It's an easy task with the easy to
>light alcohol stove that requires no priming. Anyone have any results to
>relate about these stoves?
>
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>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:37:39 -0700
>From: "Kelly Miller" <aj7x@amsat.org>
>Subject: [pct-l] When's an ounce not and ounce?
>
>Uhhhh....can you be more specific..?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pct-l@backcountry.net [mailto:owner-pct-l@backcountry.net]On
> > I just had to laugh at this one:
> >
> > Water has a specific gravity of 1 and all other liquids are
> > heavier or lighter
> > ? Huh?
> > Isn't this obvious?
> >
> > Let's see, methyl alcohol has a specific gravity of 0.810 and all other
> > liquids are heavier or lighter also! Uh, the same is nearly true
> > for every
> > liquid!
> >
> > I do suppose that there may be some cleverly concocted liquids
> > that can be made to have the exact same specific gravity and . . .
>there
>must
> > be a liquid that has a specific gravity greater than any other, so it
> > wouldn't be true for it and . . . there must be a liquid that has a
>specific
> > gravity less than any other, so it wouldn't be true for it either, but
>.
>. . other
> > than those . . .
> >
> > Perhaps what you meant to say, IIMBSBTS, is that any liquid with
> > a specific gravity of less than 1 is lighter than water and any liquid
>with
> > a specific gravity that is greater than 1 is heavier than water. Of
>course,
> > this can also be said for any liquid by substituting in the name of the
> > liquid and its specific gravity.
> >
>
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>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:45:35 EST
>From: Bighummel@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] ADZ (sp?) party questions
>
>Karen,
>
>ADZPCTKOP stands for Annual Day Zero PCT Kickoff Party. Last year it was
>held at Lake Morena campground, right on the trail, about 22 miles north of
>the border to celebrate the start of the thruhiking season, get a bunch of
>people together and coordinate those that support the water stashing around
>and transportation logistics to the southern terminus.
>
>It was a loosely organized, low key, fun time. We intend to do the same
>this
>(2000) year. The date has been set for April 28-30. The location will be
>the same. We are expecting a few more than we had last year (around twenty
>hikers and around ten supporters).
>
>It is a great way to get the jitters of starting shook off, get a good meal
>and a beer or two and meet former thruhikers, section hikers, and current
>hikers.
>
>The organizers are a loose knit group that prefer to stay that way and
>regularly participate in the list discussions. All help is welcome and all
>comers are welcome.
>
>Best regards, and hope to see ya' all there!
>
>Greg "Strider" Hummel
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>
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:45:41 -0000
>From: "brian dickson" <brian@pcta.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: [pct-l] Re: Foreign visitors
>
> > In addition we are getting down to the nitty gritty of entering your
>country
> > - - does anyone know of the most effective way of applying for a 6 month
> > non-working Visa and what information is required to prove you are not
> > sneaking into the US to seduce some fair damsel and get yourself a green
> > card!? >
> >
>Jamie,
>
>In reply to your points on getting into the USA for 6 months....... Martina
>and myself walked the PCT in 1998 and are UK/German citizens. We simply
>applied to the US embassy in London for a 6 month visa. We received a
>horrendous form quizzing us about whether we had a home/ work/ family to
>come back to in the UK. I think we also had to pay a fee but i can't
>remember how much. We answered the points as best we could and wrote to
>them
>nicely, explaining about the PCT, with a map of the route and some pictures
>of us on previous trips. A little time later we were mailed the visa's
>along
>with a good luck note from one of the embassy staff ! So behind that
>'hard-line' , official veneer in the embassy lurk some normal people!
>
>Just make sure you stay within the 6 months time limit though- especially
>if
>you want to go back to the states.
>
>If you want to discuss any other issues regarding Brits on the PCT then why
>not mail us on brianmartina@yahoo.com.
>
>Greg Hummel gave us much valuable help for our journey for which we are
>very
>grateful and I believe Greg is part of the ADZKOPTCT and also a regular
>contributor to this list. He should be able to point you in the right
>direction. Good luck on the trail and enjoy yourselves !
>
>Brian
>
>
>
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:28:03 -0800
>From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Alcohol Stoves
>
>Did you use a windscreen all the way around? this is important to not only
>keep wind from sucking heat away, but also to warm the stove. But you
>don't want the stove too hot; probably varies with the particular stove you
>made. But try it and see if it doesn't make a difference in the fuel
>consumption. the width of the pot and the pot cover, and the substrate it
>is sitting on will also affect the fuel consumption.
>
>Goforth
>
>
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