[pct-l] Re: [pct-l-digest V1 #645]

[Jan King <janjunco@netscape.net>]

Tuesday, January 12 1999         Volume 01 : Number 645

In this issue:
[pct-l] Esbit and Alcohol Stoves
[pct-l] Mosquito Repellent
[pct-l] biscuits of death
[pct-l] Snow Map South of the Sierras
[pct-l] Snow Map South of the Sierras
[pct-l] Snow Map South of the Sierras

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Subject: [pct-l] Esbit and Alcohol Stoves

Could someone who has used both Esbit and Alcohol stoves take a shot at
comparing the two?  I've found alcohol stoves incredibly convenient, and
amwondering what the attraction of the Esbit is.

The Esbit stoves have clearly generated a lot of interest, but I'm having abit
of trouble figuring out why!

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Subject: [pct-l] Mosquito Repellent

Let me cast this line out one more time.  Has anyone out there had any
experience with Cactus Juice (http://www.cactusjuicetm.com).  If not,
any suggestions on an alternative to DEET.  And, yes I use a head net
and layers when the bugs get thick, but sometimes its nice to just use
something on face and hands while hiking or in camp.
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making a good come back, but these HORSE SEEDS are not helping. Elk Hunters in
the fall come into the Clearwater Creek area of the Mt. and are spreading weed
seeds in their feed and in horse biscuits. The same is happening in the  PS 
At least they provide fuel  for ZIP STOVES   Anyone for a biscuit?
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Subject: [pct-l] Snow Map South of the Sierras

I recently found a way to see if there is snow in the Mountains south of
the Sierras - Lagunas, SanJacintos, etc.

On Mark dixons snow page:             
http://missoula.bigsky.net/mdixon/snow/pct/southern/snow.http

On the upper right hand there is a link to Snow Cover Maps - the CNRFC one
covers California and Nevada, the NWRFC covers Washington, Oregon and
Idaho, and the CBRFC covers the Colorado Basin.  These give two maps that
can be enlarged.  One map shows snow by elevation, and the other tells snow
by inches of Snow water equivalent.  Thus yesterday the map showed that the
snow stops at the southern end of the Sierras.  Here the snow line begans
at about 9,000 ft. on the West side of the sierras, and at about 10,000 ft.
on the east side.  At the south end there is 1-6" snow water at the higher
elevations.  There appears to be no snow whatever from the Sierras at 9,000
ft. to the Mexican border.  Hey all you southern Californians, did I get it
right? what are you seeing in the Mountains down there? If so May is going
to be dry.  April is not such a bad time to start.

Also there is a map on the 24-hr South Sierra Precip. map (upper left),
that gives you an idea of where all the sensors for most of the snow data
are in the S. Sierras.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:45:34 -0600
From: Toby Patke <tobin@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Casio GPS watch


But I think the technology is just to new, compact, unstable, and experimental
to be reliable.  If your life may depend on these tools...you will probably
want something more "heavy duty".



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pct-l] Snow in Sth Calif?

It not only doesn't rain in Sth Calif, this year it also doesn't snow!  

From my vantage point there is no snow visible in the San Gabriel, San
Bernardino and San Jacinto mountains.  I know that there are only thin
patches of snow in the forests around Lake Arrowhead and they are skiing on
Bear Mountain at Big Bear Lake, but you can bet most of it is man-made.  So
far it looks like a dry winter.  To this point last year southern
California had a little over five inches of precipitation!  So far this
year we have had zip!

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Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow Map South of the Sierras

On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:57:13 -0800 "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
writes:
>There appears to be no snow whatever from the Sierras at 9,000
>ft. to the Mexican border. If so May is going to be dry.

    Probably if La Nina stays with us, the So CA mountains (which are in
the desert and are seldom snowy in late-spring/summer anyway) will be
pieces of cake as usual. The lack-of-snow at present however, is more a
reflection of the fact that the season of hard rains/snow doesn't
normally start there until February: whatever the snow level is _now_ is
not a good total indicator of snow levels later on. 
    In normal years, the heaviest snows are yet to fall in the Sierra as
well; also the month the snowfall ends is important in any mountain
range. Last year was ghastly not only because heavy snowfall started so
early, and was so constant throught the winter, but because it continued
months beyond the time it usually stops.
    IMHO, late March is a more reasonable time for hikers to start
seriously extrapolating from snow-sensors, stuff like that.....        


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