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I'm going up to Cedar Grove (Kings Cyn NP) this weekend to play with
crampons/ice axe in preparation for the JMT in Aug-Sep.  Any up to date
reports?
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>pct-l-digest          Tuesday, June 30 1998          Volume 01 : Number 530
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>In this issue:
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>    [pct-l] Gonzo Thruhiking....'82 PCT
>    [pct-l] Stehekin to Skykomish
>    [pct-l] Hiking Partners.
>    [pct-l] Pct Oregon/California border - Crater Lake Section
>    [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #528
>    [pct-l] sierra or sierras
>    Re: [pct-l] sierra or sierras
>    RE: [pct-l] sierra or sierras
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>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:32:42 -0500
>From: Kelly Flowers <kkflower@students.wisc.edu>
>Subject: [pct-l] Gonzo Thruhiking....'82 PCT
>
>Strangest experience on the '82 PCT, one day out of Acton and just before
>entering the Mojave, appropriately titled in my journal:  "But it didn't get
>weird enough for me..."
>
>"5/10/82
>
>"Yesterday afternoon we pulled into Spade Spring Canyon and commenced
>looking for some place to stay.  Up the canyon a ways we found two nicely
>cleared and smoothed over oval areas, one at the end of the dirt road we
>were walking, the other at the beginning of a fire break.  We wondered aloud
>at the use of the oval cleared areas;  I suggested that perhaps they were
>for the firetrucks, turn-arounds, so they could return down the road.  In
>the middle of the former, there stood a shaggy shade tree, so we put up the
>tent and placed it under the tree, just in case it rained.  At 1:45am, I
>wake up to hear Harry and Ray discussing whether the noise they hear is a
>D-9 Cat, or what.  When it pulls up next to our tree, we see that it's a big
>truck.  Out of the driver's side steps a vaguely humanoid shape with a
>voluminous, luminous, white suit on -- like a space suit.   It's even got a
>helmet on!!  The lights of the truck and the rumble of the engine add to the
>supernatural, celestial effect."
>
>"Finally, Ray climbs out to go see what's going on;  after our initial
>thought of a "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" event , now we're figuring
>there's a chemical of some sort in the truck and that's why this guy has a
>weird spacesuit on.  Turns out the guy has a truckload of bees!!  And
>there's another truck in the other cleared area!  He had thought our tent
>was a rock and so was surprised himself to see Ray pop asking questions.  So
>we go back to sleep as he unloads the truck, and decide to high-tail it out
>of there at 5:30 tomorrow morning before the little devils get active.  This
>morning Harry jumps up and says "Let's go, boys, it's 6:00am already!"  He's
>barely maintaining composure under the threat of hordes of killer bees
>descending upon us, after having a dream where the bees were swarming on the
>tent and we couldn't get out.  That is the fastest he's ever packed, I can
>tell you!"
>
>Take care,
>
>Kelly
>
> 
>Kelly Flowers
>kkflower@students.wisc.edu
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>Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 07:06 EDT
>From: PCT-L Guest Post <guest@saffron.hack.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Stehekin to Skykomish
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>My son & friend reached Skykomish yesterday after a rough hundred miles
--heavy fog and rain made finding landmarks almost impossible. The
altimeter proved to be invaluable. I was certainly glad to have them check in!
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>Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 20:46 EDT
>From: PCT-L Guest Post <guest@saffron.hack.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Hiking Partners.
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>I live in Los Angeles area.  Looking for people interested in day hike
trips during week ends in southern california mountains.
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>I am 39, professional engineer.
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>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 11:39 EDT
>From: PCT-L Guest Post <guest@saffron.hack.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Pct Oregon/California border - Crater Lake Section
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>I just got back from a frustrating start on on PCT journey to Manning
park. I started at the OR/Ca border.  
>
>It is a clear trail for the 1st mile, maybe then heavy snow pack, you can
hack your way or hike the rigde like I did, but it's tough going.  Crater
lake still has heavy snow.
>
>I decided to hike out and jump ahead to Elk lake in about 10 days.
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>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:08:03 -0700
>From: "Michael Wann" <m.wann@worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Re: pct-l-digest V1 #528
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>My wife and I were planning on hiking the John Muir Trail starting in the
>third week of July.  From what I understand, there still is significant
>amounts of snow that would more than likely require an ice ax.  My wife and
>I are both relatively inexperienced hikers and are a bit wary of hiking a
>dangerous trail without the ability to recognize danger when we see it.  So,
>does anyone have any predictions on whether or not the JMT will still be
>snow bound in the second half of July and, if so, does anybody have a
>recommendation for a good alternative two to three week hike.  Thank you in
>advance for any information.
>
>P.S. This is a great list serve.
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>Michael
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>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:35:43 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Kevin Schmidt <kevins@statenet.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] sierra or sierras
>
>The Sierra Nevada mountain range is the longest running mountain range
>in the continental united states. Unlike the other major mountain
>ranges in the US, the Sierra is a continuous range from end to end. 
>For this reason(I think), they are known only as the Sierra and not
>the Sierras as it is often written. The Rockies, on the other hand,
>are made up of several smaller ranges(eg: Bitterroot and Wasatch) and
>therefore are known as the Rockies. I only wrote this because I just
>got back a geology paper I wrote at school, in which the teacher
>wasn't to happy about my misuse of Sierra and I had to complain to
>somebody! Thanks for listening! 
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>Kevin- 
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>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:07:05 -0700
>From: Don Gennero <gennero@acusd.edu>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] sierra or sierras
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>At 01:35 PM 6/29/98 -0700, Kevin wrote:
>>
>>The Sierra Nevada mountain range is the longest running mountain range
>>in the continental united states. Unlike the other major mountain
>>ranges in the US, the Sierra is a continuous range from end to end. 
>>For this reason(I think), they are known only as the Sierra and not
>>the Sierras as it is often written. The Rockies, on the other hand,
>>are made up of several smaller ranges(eg: Bitterroot and Wasatch) and
>>therefore are known as the Rockies.
>
>I disagree Kevin.  We had this discussion in another group I'm in
>(Abbeyweb).  People generally refer to all mountain ranges, even small
>ones, with the plural ending.  Common usage.  For example, the Uintas, the
>Bitterroots, the La Sals, the Cascades, etc.  However, Old fuddy duddies
>(just kidding) and John Muir (whom I admire greatly) always refer to the
>Sierra Nevada as the the "Sierra."  Some sort of strange reverence, I
>think.  As for me, I'm going backpacking in the "Sierras."
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>Don
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>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:26:42 -0500
>From: "Robinson, Brian A" <brian.robinson@TANDEM.com>
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] sierra or sierras
>
>Hi all,
>
>So as not to incite a potential flame war, let me first say I don't care
>what you call it.  I'm giving my opinion because I consider this an
>"interesting" topic.
>
>In some sense neither is correct.  The problem is one of language.  Like
>much of California, the Sierra Nevada was given a Spanish name by the
>Spanish people who were the first Europeans to visit the area.  In Spanish
>the adjective comes
>AFTER the noun.  Sierra literally means "saw."  It's a noun that refers to a
>sharp saw-toothed range of mountains.  The closest one-word English
>translation is "range."  Nevada is the "true" name of the range.  Sierra
>Madre is another range
>of saw-toothed mountains.  Thus the best English translation of Sierra
>Nevada would be "Nevada range."  But no-one calls them the Nevadas, so
>what's "right?"  
>
>In my opinion the correct long name in English is the Sierra Nevada
>mountains which can be shortened to the Sierra Nevadas.  If you choose to
>think they are famous enough to usurp the name "Sierra" from all the other
>mountain ranges in the world that share that name, (I do) then you've
>shortened "the Sierra Nevadas" to "the Sierra."  No "s"
>
>My dos centavos,
>Brian
>
>PS  And if you think this is an issue, consider how many people mispronounce
>the Spanish named landmarks on the PCT.  For instance, how many of you think
>the J in Mt. San Jacinto is a soft G sound, as in Jack?  It's actually an H
>sound, as in San Jose.  And don't even try to pronounce Agua Dulce. ;-) 
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