>>Also, if you set up camp after 19:00 or 20:00, it is not >>seen as camping but as bivouacking, which is permitted almost everywhere.<< Hear that, Sierra stealth campers? Just set up camp after, let's see, 7 or 8pm. If the rangers come by, in best European accent tell them you are not camping, mais non, vous sont la bivuoack! <vbg> - bf