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[BULK] - Re: Re: [pct-l] bicycles

What a horrible thing to witness, your worst nightmare.  It is certainly not a sport for the frail or faint of heart, but I freely admit I would not ride something like that in the first place.  Ever.  Leave that to the bonehead young men who seem to gravitate to that stuff.  I want to ride until I'm 80 and beyond.  You'll find me pushing hard, huffing up a fire road on the longest climb to the summit, and enjoying the fruits of the labor on the return with a big smile and bugs in my teeth.  

-=dsaufley=-

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Saenz <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
Sent: Dec 3, 2004 1:59 PM
To: dsaufley@sprynet.com, Kraig Mottar <kraig.mottar@verizon.net>, 
	eyakel@earthlink.net, Jeff Moorehead <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>, 
	pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [BULK] - Re: Re: [pct-l] bicycles

Ahhh...

Well, here's something for everyone, Mountain Bikers AND Hikers! (well
VINDICTIVE hikers, maybe...)

http://www.heavy.com/collegiate/videos/milescrash-500k.mpeg

If it's not a clickable link, cut and paste the address into your
browser to view...


M i c h a e l   S a e n z
McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
A r c h i t e c t u r e    P l a n n i n g    I n t e r i o r s
w  w  w  .  m  v  e  -  a  r  c  h  i  t  e  c  t  s  .  c  o  m


-----Original Message-----
From: dsaufley@sprynet.com [mailto:dsaufley@sprynet.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 1:36 PM
To: Mike Saenz; Kraig Mottar; eyakel@earthlink.net; Jeff Moorehead;
pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [BULK] - Re: Re: [pct-l] bicycles

Thank you Mike!  Us old gals need to be told we rock every now and then!
Slight correction, though; it is Pete Fish's PCT Trail crew that I have
been honored to host and work alongside.  I am unaware of any MB trail
crews out there.  If they don't exist, they ought to!  

-=Donna Saufley=-

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Saenz <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
Sent: Dec 3, 2004 12:13 PM
To: Kraig Mottar <kraig.mottar@verizon.net>, dsaufley@sprynet.com, 
	eyakel@earthlink.net, Jeff Moorehead <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>, 
	pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: RE: [BULK] - Re: Re: [pct-l] bicycles

Yeah, tough crowd....

Hey! I Know!!!! Let's talk about Bear Cans!

;)

Oh, and Donna- Hosting Mountain-Biker-Trail-Crews too? Damn, girl! You
ROCK! 


M i c h a e l   "O i l c a n"  S a e n z
McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
A r c h i t e c t u r e    P l a n n i n g    I n t e r i o r s
w  w  w  .  m  v  e  -  a  r  c  h  i  t  e  c  t  s  .  c  o  m


-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces@mailman.backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Kraig Mottar
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:04 PM
To: dsaufley@sprynet.com; eyakel@earthlink.net; Jeff Moorehead;
pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [BULK] - Re: Re: [pct-l] bicycles

I triggered nerves. Now there are people who hate and fear me, you don't
need to. The first post on this thread was intended to learn what the
rules were, not as a threat. I do not intend to break any rules. When I
was told of the rules against bikes I expressed disagreement which was
interpreted as attempted hostility. If it were I'd still be going on
about it and throwing out insults, etc.
So you can rest assured that I am no threat, so you can put down the
weapons and turn off the alarm. :-)

Kraig


> From: dsaufley@sprynet.com
> Date: 2004/12/03 Fri AM 10:44:38 PST
> To: eyakel@earthlink.net,  Jeff Moorehead <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>, 
> 	pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bicycles
> 
> I am a mountain biker and have worked with the trail crew, and hosted
them, and will continue to do so for the remainder of my years.  I say
with love in my heart to please be careful of broad generalizations
about this or any other community.  There are boneheads everywhere,
including in the hiking community.  Trust me, they've stayed here.  
> 
> I have also heard that there were reputed to have been a few who have
volunteered to help with PCT maintenance (per Pete Fish's crew who
maintain from the southern terminus to Kennedy Meadows).  
> 
> I want to state that I think Kraig's question was an innocent and
honest one.  Outsiders -- defined by me as those who are oblivious to
the world of long distance hiking, which is pretty much everyone outside
of the hikers themselves and their immediate family and friends -- don't
have a clue what the whole deal is about.  
> 
> I was a mountain-biker for years before I knew the PCT and all of you
existed.  If I'd heard about or come upon the PCT, it would have been a
natural thing to want to ride it, and to ask questions about it.  I
would also want to disobey that rule because it appears incomprehensible
and unfair from the mountain biker's perspective.  This is obviously the
best trail EVER, bar none.  It makes bikers salivate, and God, I'd love
to ride it (but I won't). Now, one can categorize the mountain bikers as
a community that often breaks the rules, but please ask yourself how
many in the hiking community break the rules about bear cans, and
sleeping with their food -- also potentially dangerous behaviors that
could impact the safety of others in the long haul.  There's a comment
to start a war! 
> 
> Let's seek to educate the outsiders and newcomers, and to see and
share the unique view of this community.  It's our best hope for the
future of The Trail. 
> 
> -=Donna Saufley=-
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: eyakel@earthlink.net
> Sent: Dec 3, 2004 8:21 AM
> To: Jeff Moorehead <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>, 
> pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bicycles
> 
> I have yet to meet a Mountain Biker who participated in a trail work
crew.
> Just food for thought.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Moorehead <jeffmoorehead1@cox.net>
> Sent: Dec 2, 2004 5:25 PM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] bicycles
> 
> Kraig,
>  It's not just a single, thin tread of tire creating the erosion. You 
> know as well as I do that there is an awful lot braking and sliding on

> rapid descents. That causes major erosion! And then there is just the 
> attendant lack of concern for this effect when you know it is 
> happening but you want to preserve your rights. I went mountain biking

> in the Lagunas one time and felt pretty bad knowing how much erosion 
> that one descent caused. Never again in a semi-pristine area. I don't 
> care if it is allowed, I won't do
> it-- it scars the landscape. Land boarding, too. Don't get me started 
> with that...
> 
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