[pct-l] Nuplse North Face Jacket

[whitethunder10 at hotmail.com (Joseph Niemiec)]

Well I think the overall point it is that no one wants to HAVE to buy a NF 
product.  Well, maybe some do, but they are the soccer moms and football 
dads that know of nothing better.  And there is nothing wrong with that...

PS I'm starting a company called "North Place." It is going to be and 
X-TREME placemat company..

Mouse

Ah, I just remembered that I bought some NF shoes on the pct this year.  
They killed my feet. I wore them for 2 weeks and took sent them back to 
rei...




>From: Mark Verber <verber@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Mark Verber <verber@gmail.com>
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Nuplse North Face Jacket
>Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:46:44 -0800
>
>Back on point for one sec... the Nuptse North Face Jacket.  The retail
>price of this jacket is just about the same as the Western
>Mountaineering Flight Jacket (~$199).  The Flight Jacket is less than
>1/2 the weight and more loft.  Unless you have a really great deal on
>the Nuptse, I would skip it and get the Flight Jacket.
>
>As to TNF in general
>
> > Ok Ok, North face stuff may work ok, but so does a bunch of other 
stuff...
> >
> > Stuff that isn't made by a corporate mega-giant...  In fact north 
face used
> > to be like all the sweet, sweet stuff small guys but I think now 
they are
> > owned by something like Kraft or some big company.
>
>They are owned by VF Corporation (NYSE: VFC) which I believe is one of
>the world's largest apparel company. Its principal brands now include
>Lee, Wrangler, Riders, Rustler, Vanity Fair, Vassarette, Bestform,
>Lily of France, Lee Sport, Healthtex, JanSport, Eastpak, Red Kap and
>The North Face.
>
> > When I backpack i go to get away from it all and when I sport NF 
stuff I'm
> > not getting away from it.
>
>Personally, I have never understood how a logo on gear means you
>aren't "getting away from it".  I am not looking at my gear, I 
am
>looking at the views.
>
> > The little guys have much tighter control of their construction 
process, I'm sure.
>
>It varies.  TNF and a number of other brands (including some smaller
>companies) are assembled by the same sub-contractors.
>
> > here are some other guys that are smaller companies than NF and 
make much
> > better stuff, in my opinion
> > www.granitegear.com
> > www.ula-equipment.com
> > www.westernmountaineering.com
> > even marmot is still owned by marmot i think. www.marmot.com
> > www.patagonia.com
>
>Given the size of VFC... pretty much every company is smaller.  I
>would agree that these companies generally make gear that is better
>than TNF.   I would add Nunatak, Integral Designs, Outdoor Research,
>Montane, and Arc'Teryx to this list.  Most of these companies don't
>make as wide a range of products at TNF.  Hmm... maybe there is a
>reason for this :-)
>
>--mark
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